History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


I know you are connected by blood to this tragedy - so for you it is different. However, I don't accept this framework personally.

I don't think the dead judge you for extending out a hand of assistance. The dead judge you for not being firmer in using your current position of extreme leverage vis a vis the Ukrainians, to extract from them a recognition of the terrible crimes committed in the past.

No people is bad in and of itself. But the current government in Ukraine, represents a force that is antithetical to the very ideas of Polishness and Russiannness. This is why we should work together to correct this distressing aberration.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Everybody will understand Poland, after the trainload of sh!t Ukraine dumped on you.


Perhaps... but in this case we did not even lay a finger to creating the current mess. It's our enemies, eyes wide shut, stepping onto these land mines.

Nobody had a gun to Poland's head, when it decided to run in front of the entire train - without understanding what exactly was happening in Ukraine. In your thirst to poke the bear in the eye, you ended up embracing your nemesis.

That's on you, not us.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Amen. This is all we need.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Strange thing to say, when PiS is the party that made Poland the number one ally of Ukraine, outside the sole superpower.

Poland is even ahead of great powers like Germany, France and the UK when it comes to help. What do you want more from PiS?

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Very satisfying to read how you are preparing popcorn for what every Russian observer would have called the "inevitable" meeting of perceptions and reality, for Poles and Ukrainians. However, it also pisses me off - extremely.

Why do you not listen to us? I have been writing here, for years, that I feel very bad for Poland that it has acquired such a friend as Ukraine. Ukraine thinks of nobody but Ukraine. The whole world owes Ukraine. Ukraine is the center of the known universe.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


I don't know...

I think Bor-Komorowski and Jankowski are criminals, but Stalin also did an ugly thing.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


Yes:

In this country, we have one point from which every evil emanates. That point is Warsaw. If we didn't have Warsaw in the , we wouldn't have four-fifths of the difficulties with which we must contend. - German Governor General, Hans Frank, Krakow 14 December 1943

The uprising consumed enormous resources. It ground up nearly 5 divisions worth of Germans, and gave them a taste of something familiar. See below:

This is the fiercest of our battles since the start of the war. It compares to the street battles of Stalingrad.

- Heinrich Himmler, SS chief, to German generals on 21 September 1944.

Respect.

History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]


This guy has a good speechwriter.

As a Russian, it still breaks the heart to read about this wild uprising. We like to think we suffered the most at the hands of the Germans, but Poles may have us beat there. To imagine what those young people felt, when they had an opportunity for the first time in 5 years to kick the Germans in the teeth... crazy. The way it ended, just rounds out the brutal symbolism.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

@pawian

Eh... I guess. It's you who made this thread about ancient Ruthenian history.

I could just as easily argue that the current drama between the Polish and Ukrainian governments, directly affects the dynamics within the discussion about historic apologies. No?

Ukraine butchered Poles as recently as the 1940s - not in ancient Rus. Now Poles in 2023 (the present), are amongst the leading allies of Ukraine. A reasonable person may conclude that this should put some pressure on the Ukrainians to respond symmetrically - within their means - by addressing an issue close to Polish hearts.

Instead - Ukraine is saying effectively: "Thankful for what? Protecting your asses?". This should tell you how they will approach the apology question as well.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

Zelensky's office further reacted, yesterday, to the accusations from Poland that Ukraine has shown insufficient gratitude.

Responding to statements issued by some guy in Duda's office (Marcin Przydacz), the deputy head of Zelensky's presidential administration (Andrey Sibiga) replied:

"We categorically reject the attempts of individual Polish politicians to impose on the Polish society the unfounded opinion that allegedly Ukraine does not appreciate the help from Poland. This is obviously a game for its own opportunistic interests, which has nothing to do with reality. Manipulation. And reality is a friendly and an open dialogue between the Presidents of Ukraine and Poland, between whom there is a high level of understanding and mutual trust.

"Polish weapons in the hands of the Ukrainian military effectively deter the Russian aggressor. And supporting us with weapons is not charity, but an investment in Poland's own security. It is the Ukrainians who today protect the values ​​and security of our region and do this also in the interests of Poland and the entire free world," - Sibiga noted, adding that this is the "highest level of gratitude", which is strange not to notice.

Translated from Russian with Google Translate.

Source: pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/07/31/7413636/

In other news, the Ukrainian MFA has called the Polish ambassador in Kiev to arrive for "consultations".

News / Referendum to decide about exotic immigrants in Poland [559]


Come on, be serious...

In a domestic setting, perhaps. Not commercially.

Egypt is 110M people, and a GDP almost $2T in PPP.

There are very poor areas of Egypt, and very rich areas - sure. But they know what a tractor is, and have the means to buy one. It just doesn't make sense when your total property is 1 hectare, which I think you are talking about. Then it really is better to use an ox, or borrow your neighbor's tractor.

Life / The Pole is happy when someone else cries... [75]


My god, why this of all the things I said? I will come home from work, and do a proper post for you about Polish collaboration in suppressing the Hungarian revolt.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


Here is an article in one of the largest newspapers in Russia, with an entire section titled: "The Ukrainian from Siberia".

His parents were born to Ukrainian settlers who moved to Siberia.

Source: aif.ru/amp/society/history/k_u_znachit_chernenko_istoriya_samogo_strannogo_lidera_sovetskogo_soyuza


Yeah, and they are Ukrainian or Polish on the patrilineal side.

Life / The Pole is happy when someone else cries... [75]


Poland and Hungary were cooperating in their little nasty mutiny. Poland got "bonked" first. Very quickly at that. Then Poland became instrumental in explaining to us how everything worked inside the Hungarian liberal camp, and in identifying the key persons to be removed.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

Is "Chernenko" not enough for you? What Russian, or Belarusian has a name ending in "-Ko"? He is either a dirty Hohol or a Pole.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


So what? If I was born in Kazakhstan, am I Kazakh now?

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

@pawian

I guess you have not heard of Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Gorbachev.

Life / The Pole is happy when someone else cries... [75]


I noticed you did not mention the crushing of the Prague Spring. I suppose your Google skills were sufficient for that.

Now, do some research into Gomulka's actions after Soviets helped him stabilize situation in Poland. What did he promise? What did he do?

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


Yes, this is why in the 20th century we had more Ukrainians leading us than Russians.

Life / The Pole is happy when someone else cries... [75]


Educate yourself about what assistance Polish brothers provided to friendly government in Moscow.

Poles were the attack dogs of the Kremlin.

History / Poles should apologise to Russians first [14]


Russia is modern Sparta, and America is modern Athens.

One is impoverished, conservative, patriarchal, and militant. The other is wealthy, liberal, pluralistic, and commercial.

One is basically standing as a lone warrior in the field, the other is surrounded by numerous allies - beholden to it by links of gold.

I will not tell you who won in the end. You can read the History of the Peloponnesian War, for that.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


If it has not been clear from my past 5 years of posting - I am a Pan-Slavist. Have been, since my grandfather indoctrinated me into it when I was very young. It's why I'm here, because I love Polish history - Siege of Vienna, Winged Hussars, and Kosciusko in America included.

Only later I started trolling, when my Russian genes woke up.

Life / The Pole is happy when someone else cries... [75]

@pawian
@Novichok

I've seen Poles surprised at this a few times, but Russians that actually know history and read books - don't really joke about Polish military prowess. Poles - historically (important caveat) - are quite good at war despite their incompetent political leadership.

Also, you are not fooling anyone in the East about being peaceful for 500 years. We remember well how you were Napoleon's torpedo, or how you and the Ukrainians butchered each other in the 20s. We also remember how Poles were happy to be in the front when crushing the Hungarians and Czechs in the 20th century. Russians almost didn't have to do anything.

If Poles were as big as Russia, and as well armed, it would be much scarier for the world. So it is good Poland is inside her nice little borders. Russians are positively docile next to Poles. Poles are the Chechens of Europe lol

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


Explain.

Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]


What to a Russian is a casual discussion, is to a Pole a long party with food and alcohol. Makes sense.


Yes, back to topic... I agree with you - how can I hate myself? However, objectivity demands we apply a neutral framework here.

I would say, for most of human history - being a Slav was not fun. We were so far on the periphery, that we never experienced the Roman or Byzantine Empires in the same way the French, Germans, or Spanish did. For ages we were being kidnapped and sold into slavery by Turks, Greeks, Tatars. We acted as a meat cushion for the rest of Europe during Mongol invasion. We missed out on all the benefits of global trade, due to being locked up in the puddle people call the Baltic Sea, and being bottled up in the Black Sea. For centuries, there was almost nothing we contributed to science or art, instead being used as faceless masses of mercenaries by European despots.

However, starting in the middle of the 19th century the Age of Slavs had come. Long in the shadows - the time came to take center place. Now, I would not trade being a Slav for an Anglo in a thousand years.

History / Recommended Poland's history books [257]


Give some credit to your Polish ancestors... Geography and demography are fate.

America has two absolutely harmless and utterly peaceful neighbors - Canada and Mexico. Then, America has two incredibly powerful allies - the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans. America is blessed with nearly every element to be found in the period table, and has enough energy to cover its needs for centuries. The climate is conducive to agriculture, across the majority of the country's territory.

Even a monkey would make a great country out of the USA.

Poland has historically been between three fires - a Germanic one, a Russian one, a Turkish one. Each of these powers, applied their hand to weakening the structure of Polish government. With rivers of German, Russian, and Turkish money pouring in to back this or that decision, can you really blame the Magnates for putting Poland as secondary in their list of priorities?

A Russian, German, or Turkish prince could offer many times more money than any Polish king could. People are weak and greedy creatures.

Life / The Pole is happy when someone else cries... [75]

Poles are a very violent and warlike people, so it does make some sense that they enjoy the wailing of innocents. It is probably some remnant of the Teutonic occupation, which makes them so cruel.

Life / Are Polish Women very promiscuous towards foreigners and refugees? [197]


In glorious and civilized America, truck stop prostitution flourishes. Rather than something nice like "Tirowki", they are called the decidedly unglamorous name of "Lot Lizards". I hope in his next life Lyzko can be a "Lot Lizard" at a Flying J in West Virginia, and carry on his sociological studies from that vantage point.

Also in the moral capital of the world, hundreds of thousands of people stream their assh0les to strangers over the Internet for money. But here we are, discussing Poles trading sex for butter.

Love / Connecting with GAY MEN IN POLAND [56]

...and where have you been these past 530 days? What type of behavior is this, to leave me and Velund to defend the Russian nation whole?

Love / Connecting with GAY MEN IN POLAND [56]


Where are you from?