History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

@amiga500

In Russia nationalists are toxic. They don't seem to understand that Russia's path to greatness was through it being a melting pot of peoples, where nobody was above anybody else. We solved how to contain a large Muslim population, without compromising on our values - in a way that is much better than whatever the West is trying. We have important politicians and big businessmen from national minorities, which contribute enormously to the well being of the Russian state. We have Jewish, German, Polish-blooded scientists that add to the good name of Russia through their research. And so on, and so forth. If we really want Russian nationalism to flourish, we may as well live in Muscovy as you people suggest.

The Russian idea has to be bigger than Russian blood. Don't want to sound too pompous, but Russia is also an idea.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


No it's clear you are the idiot if you casually admit to consorting with Ukrainian nationalists. I don't even hang out with Russian nationalists, whom I consider idiots, let alone those vampires.

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You want to embrace Ukrainian nationalists all day, be my guest.

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Are you an idiot?

Militaries serve the citizens of the country in which they were raised. The moment a military begins to imagine itself bigger than the interests of the country, it has to be purged and broken.

Two degenerate commanders making an alliance of opportunity, is to you more important than the killing of 6 digit numbers of your compatriots?

Edit: Read about this daring attack. Hilarious.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Where did "Cursed Soldiers" come from? The biggest organizations, such as NZW (Narodowe Zjednoczenie Wojskowe), WIN (Wolność i Niezawisłość), and NSZ (Narodowe Siły Zbrojne) - were primarily made up of AK fighters. For a brief time the AK existed in parallel, but afterwards those organizations carried the flag.

When the hunt for the "cursed" men started, Gomulka said - "Soldiers of the Armia Krajowa (AK) are a hostile element which must be removed without mercy". I think everyone understood what he meant, if even the nomenclature was not entirely correct.


Look, as I said already - this gives me no pleasure.... but there is no equivalency between what the Poles did and what the Ukrainians did. As much as I hate the AK, Cursed Soldiers, and every other manifestation of Polish nationalism - they largely fought honorably. Google their biggest actions.

In the so-called Battle of Kurylowka they attacked, and routed an NKVD regiment. In another instance, they attacked an NKVD camp located in in Rembertów on the eastern outskirts of Warsaw - liberating the Polish political prisoners incarcerated there. You really have to be reading some Pawian-style sources to find anything even remotely similar to Volyn (and even then, at a 100X reduced scale).

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You made it sound like you had some kind of privileged information, when in fact it was pretty banal facts. However, I do think your take is broadly accurate. You are not making things up, I'll put it that way.

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Oh boy, so tiring...

Russians hate everybody so much, that we helped half the world decolonize - many times at the price of our own blood. We hate everybody so much, we let an empire we built on our blood go for free - East Germany, and all of you lot included. Hate everybody so much, we gave away all the innovations of our medical, engineering, and space communities amassed over decades for pennies - to the world's poorest peoples.

You really are boring, and your post is not on topic.

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No joke - this makes me depressed.

But then some French guy said, "All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers."

Some other smart guy said that "Civil wars are the worst, because they pit brother against brother".

Go figure. I am not equipped to understand, all I understand is that civil wars are especially nasty, and despite all brotherhood the savagery becomes much more intense than when fighting a stranger.

Travel / What can Poland do to attract more tourists? Llamas farm? [71]

Russian Asians, next to China and Iran.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Laugh all you want. 99%+ of Ukrainian dead are military.

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I apologize. Somehow, miraculously, you managed to perceive this clusterf*ck exactly for what it was. So... besides Novichok, I was definitely reading this thing correctly all this time, without any excessive bloodthirst.


They exist, in as much as the glass of whisky on my table exists. But in a wider sense, they do not exist at all - this is true - because they are us. Final motion in this dance - because they are us, we will never hurt them like you hurt the Jews, Russians, Poles, Gypsies under your occupation. I love Ukraine in a way, that a Pole who hosted a Ukrainian family for 15 months cannot even approach. This is exactly the reason why you should abstract away from this issue ASAP.

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Not true. If you read all my posts from 02/24/2022 to now, you will see nobody on this forum was more committed to avoiding harm to Ukrainians - stupid, miserable people that they are.

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You started well enough, but ended as usual.

Your comments say more about how you like to spend your free time, than how many of our women are prostitutes.

Travel / What can Poland do to attract more tourists? Llamas farm? [71]

If you are happy with Swedes and Anglos using Poland as some cheap replacement for Amsterdam - that is your right.

This August, I am taking a group of friends to Kyrgyzstan. We will spend only one day upon arrival, and one day upon departure in the capital city of Bishkek. The other ten days we will spend in the mountains - living in yurts, hunting, fishing, riding horses, and grilling delicious steaks. Guess how much the trip cost for a group of 7 people not including me? $32K.

$32K, because rented Nissan Patrol with driver, horses, yurts, satellite Internet, hot water, generator, etc. I don't need any of these things when I camp, but my friends of course appreciate it. You telling me that's not money? Eco-tourism can bring big bucks if done right. Just ask Nepal, or Iceland.

Life / Are Polish Women very promiscuous towards foreigners and refugees? [197]

@Lyzko

For once I agree with you. Anecdotal claims, should not require "sources". In this sense Lyzko deserves as much latitude as others.

I don't think Paulina is saying you are lying, but merely that you are forming general opinions based on an infinitesimally small sample set of talking to "Polish dissidents".

Every "dissident" I met in my life in NY was a miserable excuse for a human being, consumed by hatred for their country of birth. It's not surprising that to them, all the women back home are wh0res.

Paulina asked you what do you think the percentage was, e.g. 90%, 50%, 5% etc. In truth, the true percentage of prostitutes amongst our female population was probably lower than 0.005%. Enough certainly for foreigners to notice, since one prostitute can serve many hundreds of men, but still a vanishingly small number of our women. Add to this that it was over a very short period of time, and then it ended. Naturally nobody is proud about this period of poverty. This is why what you are saying is so offensive.

It's like me telling you that from the observations of Nazi officers at Majdanek and Treblinka, Jewish women were more likely than others to offer sex in exchange for monetary gifts. True? Yes. Takes into account context? No.

Travel / What can Poland do to attract more tourists? Llamas farm? [71]

If Poland wants to attract a lot more people, it should focus heavier on eco stuff. People that are interested in Eastern Europe culturally, would probably rather go to Prague or Budapest - I don't know, just my opinion.

But if you advertise - "visit's Europe's oldest undisturbed forest" - that's something! When I tell my friends who know nothing about Poland that is a beautiful country in terms of its natural riches everyone is surprised. Everyone has some smokestacks and dilapidated industry in their mind.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

I have to say, this thread has made me quite uncomfortable in the end.

It's already strange enough to read Korvinus write he has a small itch to help the Russians, after reading Pawian's post. Stranger still, to see Ironside and Paulina be uncomfortable about the writings of that idiot apologist. Strange, because this is my job.

The strangest thing, and which makes me feel slightly nauseous, is that I am finding myself defending Poles. I think I need to take a break - Pawian finally found how to deactivate me.

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Insufferable asses.

It's like... either you exist or you don't. When it is convenient to them, they were born in 1991 - virgin and unsullied. Then, when something else comes up, they are as ancient as Methuselah.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Clearly you do not, if you cannot tell a Rusyn apart from a Ukrainian.

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Not really. I read the article, the guy is a complete cretin. The very opening sentences are idiotic:

July 11 marked the 80th anniversary of the Volhynia massacre, when Ukrainian nationalists fighting for their own state slaughtered nearly 100,000 Poles in a matter of days. People were killed with axes, their entrails and eyes gouged out. Children were thrown against walls, and pregnant women were pierced with bayonets.

"Ukrainian nationalists fighting for their own state" lol! Jesus Christ. Maybe nationalism really is a terrible ideology.

This was of course on another level, as you pointed out:

Nijakowski writes, "Spectacular torture, rape, and other atrocities have a rational purpose - they cause panic, which accelerates the exodus of the population."

This kind of acrobatics I don't think I've witnessed before. As Velund and I have been telling you since Feb. 24th last year - step aside and let us smash these b!tches.

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No, I'm afraid this curious fruit is one of yours.

Sławomir Sierakowski, founder of the Krytyka Polityczna movement, is a senior fellow at the German Council on Foreign Relations.

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It turns out this article was written by a Pole. What is wrong with you people. Goddamn.

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Oh wow, that's a big newspaper. The title of the article alone is quite juicy: Poland's destructive grievance politics

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

@Ironside

Yes?


Why they should call themselves the stupid name of "Ukrainians", when they already have a perfectly good name.

It was Pawian who started this, by saying Poland must apologize to Ukrainians, for taking Ruthenian lands. I wanted to show that there is zero relation between "Ruthenia" and "Ukraine", no matter how much Kiev wishes it.

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Ah but it is still a little sh!t, no? It is not a big sh!t. Still it is endearing.

Travel / What can Poland do to attract more tourists? Llamas farm? [71]

Llamas farm is a good idea. A very good idea, if I may say so.

How about an international advertising campaign on channels such as CNN and the BBC, under the title: "Visit Polish Concentration Camps".

For many years Poland has vainly fought against the use of the term "Polish Concentration Camps" in ignorant Western press, and yet the term persists. Why not turn this situation to your advantage and make use of the established brand recognition?

You are welcome.

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I didn't say that. However, even an idiot can see that "Rusyn" and "Russian" share the same root, and that is what I meant when I said there are essentially two "Russias" bordering Ukraine.

You are wrong to call all Polish Rusyns Lemkos. Only some part of them are Lemkos. Some still simply call themselves Rusyns, while others may call themselves Hutsuls or Boykos. It's just a subdivision of Rusyns. I suspect the majority of Rusyns in Poland simply call themselves Poles, since after they adopted Catholicism there really is not much difference between them.

When Rusyns from the Carpathian oblasts travel to Kiev, they tell their family, "I am going to Ukraine". Ukrainians don't understand their dialect - to the point that it is a recurring joke on evening television programs. The typical Rusyn response to who they are is:

"For Galicians (inhabitants of Lvovsk, Ternopol, and Ivano-Frankovsk Oblasts) - we are Hungarians. For Hungarians we are Russians. For Russians we are Banderites. We are, in fact, none of these."


Well it is true - you ape! Open Wikipedia and see for yourself.


Ukraina - means borderland. Look at the etymology in any dictionary.

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What am I supposed to do about that?

Rusyns hate Ukrainians, who try to Ukrainize them for the last century or so. For Ukrainians, the existence of Rusyns complicates the story of their ethnogenesis. It would be much simpler to pretend that they don't exist.

As I already mentioned, Rusyn's call their language "Ruski Jazik", and the adjective they used to describe themselves is "Rus'kiye". They are kind of a fossilized proof that Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Russians all come from one people.

Don't you think it is strange that to the west of Ukraine there are a people called essentially "Russians", as well as to the East of them, while their own country is named "Borderland"? Neither does this make sense to Rusyns, and why they are reluctant to change their name to "Borderlanders".

History / Poles should apologise to Slovaks first [7]


I'm particularly excited for the Swedish thread! There's quite a lot the Poles have to apologize for there.

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


I excuse you for not being aware of this, but the modern peoples who call themselves Rusyns are largely pro-Russian, and anti-Ukrainian. Go figure. They also call their language "Ruski Jazik". Also, very strange.