News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

there was a partizan war in Lithuania against the Soviets like 1945-1950-something en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_partisans

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [307]


oh, my - pall - start reading some different sources too - if you believe this you are quite hmm gullible? prejudiced?

how on earth would Poland attack Germany in 1939 when they knew pretty well Germany was stronger and at a strategic advantage - what would be the purpose of it tell me? no basic logic pal

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [307]


this is simply rubbish - Polish troops were set along the borders for fears that if we leave these lands undefended Germans will ocuppy them without a shot and then offer peace demanding the territories in question - Polish army staff realized the power discrepancies and were not up to aggresive war

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [307]


Polish army managed to mobilize around 1 Mio troops on the 1st of September - the full mobilization potential was 1,5 - 1,6 million - this is because many mobilized during the 30th mobilization never managed to reach their units

the march mobilization was just a preliminary - you can't create defensive postions without such a preliminary mobilization

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [307]


the thing you completely miss is that tripartite Polish-British-French guarantees were purely defensive - it meant that if one of the countries would be attacked by Hitler all other will join the war and help the attacked

Poland could have avoided war with Germany even as late as early 1939 by joining up with Hitler - this is what Hitler wanted - up to the moment that he realized Polish rulers will be loyal to their military pact with France (from that point detailed plans for war with Poland started to be drawn)

could Poland have avoided the war in the days leading up to September - I think it is possible still - the demands Hitler gave were pretty symbolic and didn't touch any strategic Polish interests - it was actually a stick and a carrot offering by Hitler - Hitler still counted that Poland switches alliances but being a bit humilated by Poles wanted some symbolic punishment on Poles

so I guess if Poland abandoned her western allies in the early to middle August and went for reconciliation, cooperation and then an alliance with Germany there wouldn't have been war with Germany in 1939 - the World War would break out anyway - with Hitler and Poland attacking the Soviet Union jointly (most probably with the assistance of Romania and several other countries (Hungary, Slovakia perhaps Bulgaria)

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [307]


if you are an agressive side you don;t fully mobilize on the day before the planned invasion - no? - Germans were mobilizing weeks before the September the1st and they even planned to strike earlier on 26th of August - the only reason they didn't was because the Polish-British treaty in case of war with Germany was signed that mandated Great Britain to declare war on Germany in case it attacks Poland - Hitler hestitated for a moment and thats why the attack was postponed (btw because of lack of coordination some sabotage actions of German Fifth Column took place on the 26th of August as planned


having your borders fortified doen't immediately prove defensive stance - one scenario Hitler must have considered was attacking France frist - in this case he needed some defence on his eastern borders - though Poland was on rather good terms with Germany in the years 1937-38 up to the early 1939 and Hitler was trying to make Poland his official ally and attack Soviet Russia together Poland proved not reliable to Hitler when she declared she will come back to defend France in accordance with the Franco-Polish pact

simply just having your borders fortified gives you more strategic and even tactical options

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]


it was not Lithuanians who blocked it but Stalin AFAIK - Stalin didnt want a land without people (because there were areas of huge Polish majority or nearly purely Polish - both in Lithuania and neighboring areas in Belarus) - in case of Lithuania Stalin also went for divide and conquer strategy - Polish population were quick to learn Russian and with the arriving Russian nationals formed a serious counterbalance to any purely Lithuanian social movements

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


this is a simple misunderstanding - for someone Polish who is not accustomed to scientific terminology 'paliwo' (fuel) is the stuff you pour into your car tank (coal and wood are colloquially called 'opał' and not 'paliwo')

I am not against having as much percentage energy coming from renewable sources as possible as long as it is economical - the thing is those renewable sources are not without problems and appart from organic matter are very expenisve (there is big potential in Poland for geothermal energy yet the thing is prohibitively expensive most of the time in spite of the fact it has serious advantages over any other renewable energy sources - heat pumps are superb solution for areas of low density developement but man they are expensive (for Polish circumstances))

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


Wrocław Boy - Germany is more or less the same size as Poland (slightly bigger I guess) and it doesn't have any shale gas to speak of

European part of Russia is similar in this regard - their shale gas is negligible

the same is with your typical gas and oil - there are regions that have huge amounts and there are regions that don't have any economic gas and oil

I know geology is difficult ;) (actually not very difficult)

and yes - shale gas is environmentally risky thing (no comparison to standard gas developing)

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

I guess sythetic fuel from coal made in Fischer-Tropff process was not economic in the times of low oil prices - there has been proposals for building such an installation in Poland though (and they will surely return whith oil prices rising)

however coal gas as a fuel is not without problems - first of all it's dangerous because it contains a lot of carbon monoxide (which is very toxic) - it also contains hydrogen and therefore is a serious explosive hazard - the productions isn't clean - there is an huge array of potential polutant by-products of which many are difficult to manage (benzene, tar-water emulsions) - then there still remains the question if the process is economical compared to simple coal burning in power plants - untill late 80's coal gas was used quite extensively - Silesia and nearby areas where supplied with 'gaz koksowniczy' (which is very similar thing) in the same manner natural gas is provided now

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


you don't mind Private Messages smurf, do you? - there is a big chance the thread will be dead or you will miss newer posts - so I ask if you don't mind PM's from me about the topic

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


you know - Russia was once at the forefront of communism - is it always good to be at the forefront? - btw Poland can actually be at the forefront: at the forefront against the surge of stupid ideology

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

if sea levels would be rising noticeably it will be easily observed on various piers - I don't think this is what we are seing at the moment - if the rise has been 10 cm in some 20 last years it would have been noticed on the said piers and secondly it wouldn't affect even the likes of Kiribati and Maledives

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


I am not sure there has ever been any fresh ground water on Kiribati in living memory pal - this is coral - this is low lying - evaporation far exceeds the rainfall - pacificwater.org/pages.cfm/country-information/kiribati.html

and displacement may be caused by drought which leads to lack of drinking water and not serious rising of sea level - but if someone has an agenda they will not disclose facts that don't fit his agenda

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


there can be simply other explanations to why the earth is warming - it is enough if there are statistically less clouds in summer months for whatever reason (there may be reasons we don't actually yet know or understand) to produce the observed warming - and pushing one theory is what I call dishonest


heh - you've seen it or just repeat whatever you hear on the TV? - for one thing Kiribati and Maledives experience the least of tides on the ocean so the rising ocean levels would be pretty obvious there (unless the islands are sinking because of geological processes)

btw if you cared to look the NOAA images show that the extent of ice floes in Davies strait, Baffin Bay and off the Labrador coast this year are biggest in years

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


and not thouroughly investigated - OK? - and we use simplistic reasonings - like saying Sun revolves around the earth


the thing is I can safely call you a CO2 warming believer - because you don't know the realities just accept what you are being fed based on some assumptions you made (which you cannot be simply sure of unless you positively make yourself believe they are THE truth)

I am not sure those arguments I have found against the role of human carbon emissions in global warming are perfectly true - but if some (retired) scientist states that there is no good correlation between rapid warmings and coolings in the ice ages and the atmosphere's CO2 contents then I tend to listen to it because I think there is enough poeple with agendas around the world who would want me to believe the contrary

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


where?


I don't argue with the realization that earth is warming - I argue with a simplistic reasoning that human Co2 emissions are responsible - and I argue with feeding people that idea untill we prove it beyond doubt


i don't claim Earth self-regulates perfectly - I say we don't know enough to be able to judge - judge not by apperances you know - btw that CO2 has been greatly reduced from the atmosphere through natural processes is actually a common understanding among geologists

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

if we would get rid of 20 per cent of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere we would probably get an ice age - smurf I understand that you are concerned but I think you overestimate your understanding of things - learn a new thing each day and you will be wiser


actually smurf - plant matter (cellusose and ligninins, also various waxes and resins) is quite slow to decay - otherwise we wouldn't have any coal today - just go to the forest near you and I can safely guarantee you that the leaves that have fallen 10 year ago are still there for the most part - yes dead plant matter is a HUGE retainer of CO2 - if you don't believe then tell me where did all those heaths and bogs in Britain and Ireland come from - and I can tell you that in some parts of Ireland a good couple of meters of bog formed in about 5 thousands of years - and guess what? - it is mostly carbon - it's nearly a permaments carbon sink


CO2 emissions in itself are not a huge hazzard to marine life - CO2 is not a direct polutant in the amounts we release (I don't say fossil fuel burning doesn't cause pollution but CO2 is not a pollutant in itself) - marine life has been hit by many other substances we release to the oceans as well as the ecologic imbalances produced (toxic algae blooms) by the phosphorus and nitrogen we deliver to the seas and oceans


over-reacting can be sometimes much more harmful than not reacting smurf (but I believe you are not really ready to recognize it)

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


in medieval Europe there was a universal agreement between scientists that the Sun was revolving around the Earth

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

either I missed something or Co2 global warming is fed to us straight into the stomach by all media around - I haven't seen any serious debate (outside the internet)

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

you got better arguments? or can you actually void my arguments in other ways than saying they are crap?

btw - I don't argue there is some global warming - if it is measurable how can I deny it - the thing is there is no good proof human made CO2 emissions are responsible

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


Poland didn't deliberately cut any emissions - the big decrease in emissions from Poland stems from a number of industries shutting down since 1989 (but was approved as emission cuts in Kyoto protocol) - the new European climatic agreement has a much later date as a base to calculate reductions - Poland will have to cut emissions or pay for them (and they are going to be pricey) - either way it will cost Poland A LOT of money -

as for sequestering CO2 in the earth - nobody in the world has done that on large scale so far - you cannot just pump C02 into the ground - you need to have specific geologic structures (like emptied natural gas beds) that are C02 tight enough - these are often hundreds of miles aways from power plants - and power plants exhausts including CO2 are not natural gas in that they are corrosive (the more water vapour is in the exhausts the more corrosive they are and there is no practical fuel on the earth that does not produce water vapour in burning) - the cost of pipelines would be enourmous my friend because they would have to be made from special grade corrosive resistant steel - and as far as I know this kind of steel is not so readily welded)


NO - actually Poland SHOULD voice any doubts there are about CO2 driven global warming and LOUD - somebody HAS TO

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

it is a scam - 1. human emissions of CO2 consist only a couple per cent of yearly emissions into the atmosphere - (say 3 per cent) - all other emission is natural - one big volcano eruption releases as much CO2 as yearly human emissions - and volcanoes also constantly emit CO2 - CO2 is emiitted from the earth crust in certain areas

2. CO2 in the atmosphere accounts to less than 20 per cent of greenhouse effect in the atmosphere - in certain conditions up to 95 per cent of greenhouse effect comes from water vapour

3. there is no good correlation between CO2 levels in the atmosphere (as examined in the ice cores from Antarctic and Greenland) and the temperatures during the ice ages (with the events of CO2 levels rising and temperature falling)

4. there is no good CO2 budget evaluation on the earth so far - scientist haven't reliably evaluated ocean CO2 'sink' so far - there are also negative feedbacks in the biosphere against rising level of CO2 - plants grow considerably faster in higher levels of CO2 binding it

5. there is a negative feedback in the earth's atmosphere against warming - this is called clouds which raise earth's albedo significantly - the mean daily temperature in the height of June in Poland under a thick cloud cover can be lower than 10 centigrades while in the full sun it can easily rise above 30 degrees (and a mean temperature throughout the day can be above 20 degrees)

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

because Poland would have to dismantle it's coal powered energy sector and switch to Russian gas and it would cost us bilions and billions - this is one point

the other point is that the whole human CO2 emission driven global warming is a scam and Polish politicians don't believe in it (and it is a scam unless you are a believer)

already agreed part of the deal that was signed in 2008 can possibly raise Polish electricity prices by 100 per cent before 2020 (and the goals are still unrealistic for Poland because there is no way we can have 20 per cent of our energy from renewable sources in this economic climate) - the electiricity bills will start rising already next year and it's gonna be drastic (like 40-50 per cent) - the whole sectors of Polish economy can shut down because of that (like paper and cement production) with people without jobs

btw - the most Co2 emissions in Europe come from transportation - and the richest countries have more per capita emissions from that source than Poland (Germany has even double) and most of these countries are more populous than Poland - the whole agreement specifically targets coal powered energy production and you[ve got your answer

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


I think why black people in Poland (I would think only those who were not born here into the Polish language) don't want to be called Murzyn/Murzynka (or find it derogatory) is the dictionary tranlastion they can find of the word (which is I guess negro) - in all truth Polish Murzyn doesn't have any derogatory or dismissive connotations of English 'negro' - it just leads to misunderstandings - while Polish people mean no harm, no scorn and no belittling using words Murzyn and Murzynka, Black people still think they are slighted

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


it's because I like to talk matter not call names - and I still am of an opinion you are not in a position to judge on more or less subtle connotations of words used in Polish especially in their figurative meanings - btw there are no good replacements for murzyn in Polish language especially for colloquial language

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


said an English guy, who can;t follow a Polish cabaret sketch (so he tell's it is not funny - yeah sure those bloody Poles don't have a pinch of sense of humour - 90 per cent of Poles laugh their heads of watching the sketch) - you sure have studied Polish philology, haven't you? or just transplanting your perceptions of the word negro to the word murzyn, huh?

first of all 'murzyn' is not racist

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


so you just simply don't get Polish humour and are being defensive about it on top of that

we'll make some test? OK? - it;s a test on your knowledge of Polish more than your sense of humour to be sure : ...


I never said 'murzyn' is some superlative - it's a regular neutral word in the literal meaning and not in the slightest derogatory, or dismissive for someone who is called 'murzyn' figuratively (at least by those who are on the same level - perhaps those 'murzyn' exploiters use it in dismissive ways)

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

JonnyM

ok, suit yourselves - after all you know some Polish - (I doubt you can get humour from Polish cabaret shows, but hey nobody's perfect - to put it straight I meant who are you to judge what connotations verbs and phrases have in Polish with your level of Polish)

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


who said inapriopriate in plural - Poles say often about themselves : 'Białych murzynów z nas zrobili' - They made white slaves of us. (slave is just the most appriopriate translation into English and not a literal one)


but it doesn't make a word murzyn dismissive even not to say derogatory - it just comes from the observation black Africans were backward


one big difference is there were no actual 'murzyns' black people doing those 'Irish jobs' in Poland- and in Polish also it bears a connotation that ;murzyn is a over-exploited (slaved) with no hint to their inferiorness or lower capabilities - as I said figurative meaning of 'murzyn' has a definite point of criticism toward those who are using the 'murzyn's' work