History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]


Yes, I forgot to add a few photos of Goralenvolk which are still available on the Net:



One sentence worth considering:
He was tried for high treason, sentenced to death by hanging by his own brother, Julian Krzeptowski, a Home Army member, and executed.

Can you imagine it? A man sentencing his brother to death?The text about the demise of Waclaw Krzeptowski is not very accurate and needs clarification. Yes, the AK were after him - his brothers (a very large family of 14 brothers and sister) and relatives (close cousins) were in the AK and also couriers and guides over the Tatra mountains (they also used the same route in the 1950's + Cold war to smuggle people out), but he never betrayed them or even their whereabouts.

His brother Julian Krzeptowski held the 'trial' in the family home and Waclaw was hung from a beam in the house.
I am named after my granduncle 'Julian' the judge who after the war had a distinguished career as a lawyer and judge. Waclaw is not mentioned in family discussions to this day.

Julian M Hoseason, 25 Aug 2004

flagspot.net/flags/pl!gv39.html

History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]


Yes.

Wacław Krzeptowski - a Highlander who collaborated with Nazi Germans. A tragic figure. Some historians claim that by betraying Poland he tried to save his Highland compatriots from Nazi repressions. Others contradict and perceive him as blatant traitor.

Life / Rich man, poor man - today`s Poland [80]

It is fascinating to see how you pretend not to know the fact that there is still a lot of room between rich and poor. And that is where most people fit.

Life / Rich man, poor man - today`s Poland [80]


Tragic.

I mean, you are tragic.

Life / Rich man, poor man - today`s Poland [80]


There are cheap adverts, I agree

and more sophisticated ones:

Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [127]


Filosemitą jestem i się nie wstydzę. Jestem odtrutką polskiego społeczeństwa na zajadły antysemityzm. Sokrates + ja = neutralny stosunek do Żydów (statystycznie).

Natomiast fatalistą to chyba jesteś ty:


Z jakiej paki ma nagle wypłacić 65 miliardów jak już powiedział że rząd polski nie zapłaci? I ci napaleni na kasę Żydzi się dalej wściekają?

Z jakiej paki ma być 15% inflacja?

Weź się ogarnij. Jaja to ja sobie robię na forum, ty bądź poważniejszy. :):):):):)

Jedyne normalne zdanie to to że PO zrobi koalicję z SLD.

History / What are Poland's pagan roots? [62]


Actually, in 1037.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan_reaction_in_Poland

But Polish version is much more informative:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reakcja_poga%C5%84ska

History / What are Poland's pagan roots? [62]


You should start with this thread then:
What is polands pagan roots? merged

followed by this: info-poland.buffalo.edu/web/pop_people/pagans/link.shtml

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Yes, it is true, I remember reading the anecdote about the banquet misunderstanding as a child. It was so amusing I have remembered it till today.


Very rarely - to battle (see the red white horse at the top)



more often - for parades:

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


Wow. A fighting horse.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


Too much pain taking the photo of the source, planting it in photobucket and publishing it here.

Don`t you believe me?

History / What are Poland's pagan roots? [62]

Many of them occupy themselves with posting in this forum.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


And it caused diplomatic blunders. E.g., at the banquet after the Vienna victory simple hussar soldiers, as more impressive, were led to major tables while their plain-looking officers were told to sit at the back. But Polish diplomats corrected the mistake.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


When a lady asks, I will condescend as a gentlemanly Pole.

Yes, Monia.
You are right, Monia.
I was wrong.

Better? :):):):)

May I kiss your hand?:

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


The word wing appears many times but only as a part of drawing, following, slowing. Do you think you can do sth about it? :):):)

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


Yes, but there is nothing about wings.
Actually, there is, but wings in the sense of sides of the formation.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


Iron, stop bashing Monia. You are not better. You also contradict yourself a lot.

isthatu2


Iron

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


According to a popular saying, the pen is mightier than the sword? :):):):):)



Hey, isn`t it time you gave up google translation? :):):):):)

It translated Polish pióra as pen instead of feathers.


No more, please! :):):):):):) Do you want to kill me with laughter? :):):)

Besides, you are contradicting yourself.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


I am trying to read it for the 5th time, but it is only about swords. :):):):)


Like the one we are talking about. :):):):)

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

[quote="Przepych zbroi i stroju łączy się u nich z poczuciem wielkiej wygody: wielu z nich ma przytroczony do siodła pod udem długi na 4-6 stóp rożen, a pod gołym niebem obozując, wielce zręcznie złapany i oskubany drób wszelki na nim pieką"

Oto do jakiej -w oczach cudzoziemca- roli zdegradowana została wspaniała broń- koncerz. [/i]

husaria.jest.pl/ciekawo.html

I think you should certainly use this option.

Don`t you know that teachers and students are having vacation now? :):):):)

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


I will say it again if you insist that your quote concerning swords is about wings. :):):):)


Not to anything mine, but to the rules of translation and of common sense. :):):):)

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


It is a little chaotic but facts seem plausible.


No need to be sorry. But can you provide the source, please?
:):):):)

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

is actually about hussar`s swords.
husaria.jest.pl/ciekawo.html

When was the last time you spoke or read Polish? :):):)

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

For over a hundred years, the Poles are struggling with a problem of historical nature , which - uncommon in our country - enlivens both scholars and ordinary bread eaters . As for the wing hussar , actually about whether the hussars had them back or not. It seems that it is not at all about historical truth , but rather of a myth tyczący bright past, extremely difficult to verify , or even to overthrow . What is interesting in all this , its verification are not at all interested scholars , so people not only authorized, but even required to determine the truth. Some of them even today deliberately falsifying history, acting at the same time for patriotic reasons , in order to build the glory of the Polish army in the country , and increasingly abroad. At all recently organized major international exhibitions, to name only the most important here , such as " Under one crown - the history and culture of the times of the Polish- Saxon ", " Eagle and three crowns . The neighborhood of Polish - Swedish Baltic Sea in the modern era, sixteenth to eighteenth centuries . " or " Land of the Winged Horsemen . Art Poland 1572-1764 r . " hussars was presented in Poland and abroad (Germany, Sweden , USA ) as the winged cavalry .


There is an intereting quote, though:

In the 1970s those theories were disproved. When a film adaptation was made of The Deluge, a Polish historical novel, it revealed that the wings attached to the riders' back almost threw them out of their saddles when their horses went faster than a trot (when attached to the saddle they slowed down the horse greatly). Most probably the wings were used only for parades and other special occasions, but probably never in battle.

while the Deluge movie shows the hussaria charge with wings on:

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

The quoted historian claims that the noise of the battle was so intense that feather whistling was practically unheard.


Quote, please. :):):)

And remember, the story of hussaria is 150 years old. Which battle do you mean? :):):):)


Just like your achievements. :):):):):)

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Did you know that wings on Polish winged hussars` backs are a myth in its largest part?

That is the typical image of a Polish hussar which got stuck in popular opinion:

According to a Polish historian, a typical hussar looked like that:



Facts:

-most hussars didn`t use wings

-if they did, it wasn`t in combat, but on parades. And it was just one wing.

-the parade wing wasn`t attached to hussar`s back but to the saddle.

-instead of wings, hussars used feathers attached to their shields, helmets, horses` heads etc.

-nearly all hussar armours kept in museums today had their wing gear installed in 19 century. Simply speaking, most were forged. :):):)

-wings were attached to hussars` backs by Polish patriotic painters who needed a symbolic image of Poland fighting enemies. With wings, hussars looked like archangels in paintings.

A long but informative article in Polish:

For over a hundred years, the Poles are struggling with a problem of historical nature , which - uncommon in our country - enlivens both scholars and ordinary bread eaters . As for the wing hussar , actually about whether the hussars had them back or not. It seems that it is not at all about historical truth , but rather of a myth tyczący bright past, extremely difficult to verify , or even to overthrow . What is interesting in all this , its verification are not at all interested scholars , so people not only authorized, but even required to determine the truth. Some of them even today deliberately falsifying history, acting at the same time for patriotic reasons , in order to build the glory of the Polish army in the country , and increasingly abroad. At all recently organized major international exhibitions, to name only the most important here , such as " Under one crown - the history and culture of the times of the Polish- Saxon ", " Eagle and three crowns . The neighborhood of Polish - Swedish Baltic Sea in the modern era, sixteenth to eighteenth centuries . " or " Land of the Winged Horsemen . Art Poland 1572-1764 r . " hussars was presented in Poland and abroad (Germany, Sweden , USA ) as the winged cavalry .

Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [127]

Kurcze. Mam zgryz.
Nie wiem jak to potraktować. Czy zapisać Ci to na plus że wypierasz się swojej wredności z przeszłości, bo się jej wstydzisz, żałujesz czy coś. :):):) Czy też na minus za to że nadal kłamiesz w żywe oczy mówiąc że nie wiesz o co chodzi? :):):)

Pomóż mi to rozwiązać. Jesteś wredny/a jak dawniej czy postanowiłeś/łaś się zmienić? :):):)

Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [127]

Sprawa jest prosta: nie chce mi się z Tobą użerać, wolę sobie robić jaja w innych wątkach niż cokolwiek Ci tłumaczyć, masochisto. :):):):):):):):):)

A tak na marginesie, do dzisiaj trzymam na Private Message te trzy posty które mi wysłałeś 2 lata temu:

Feb 26, 09, 19:15
Jesteś Polakiem ?
Czy polskim żydem ?

Feb 26, 09, 19:27
No tak myślałem że jesteś żydem.

Feb 26, 09, 19:33
Nie pisz do mnie żydku :)))))

To było wtedy jak zacząłeś kłamać na mój temat na forum. Pamiętasz? Od tamtego czasu uważam że jesteś wrednym gnojem, zdolnym do wszystkiego. A ponieważ to wyraźnie Cię bawi, nazwałem Cię tu dodatkowo masochistą. :):):):)

Czy jesteś zadowolony z osiągniętego efektu? Masz satysfakcję?
Jeśli tak, to życzę dobrej nocy. :):):)

Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [127]

Ale pieprzysz trzy po trzy. :):):)