History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Unfortunately, we, Europeans, lost against Asian hordes.

The Polish commander of European forces, duke Henry the Pious, was beheaded.

Today`s re-enactments focus on infantry instead of on horse-riders.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Thank you, You also aren`t as stiff as I previously thought.


Exactly. That`s what I meant when I said that a language is a living creature and it does what it wants or deems neccessary. Polish borrowed heavily from German in the Middle Ages because German law dominated Poland at the time.


Are you German?
:):):)

Did you know that in 1241 Polish, Czech and German knights fought together against Mongols? The first case of Polish German brotherhood in arms:

The Battle of Legnica (Polish: Bitwa pod Legnicą), also known as the Battle of Liegnitz (German: Schlacht von Liegnitz) or Battle of Wahlstatt (German: Schlacht bei Wahlstatt), was a battle between the Mongol Empire and the combined defending forces of European fighters that took place at Legnickie Pole (Wahlstatt) near the city of Legnica (German: Liegnitz) in Silesia on 9 April 1241.

A combined force of Poles, Czechs and Germans under the command of the Polish duke Henry II the Pious of Silesia, supported by feudal nobility and a few knights from military orders sent by the Pope, attempted to halt the Mongol invasion of Europe. The battle came two days before the Mongol victory over the Hungarians at the much larger Battle of Mohi.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Legnica

Love / Do Polish men make good husbands? [106]


Are you both hetero at least?

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Exactly.

Or maybe you know of a secret English Language Worldwide Adoption Comittee that orchestrates the transfer of anglicisms into world languages?
:):):):)


Let me remain sceptical about your views. :):):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Very interesting.


Sean, it doesn`t matter what I feel or not. What matters is that each language is a living creature which thinks and acts on its own. If Polish deemed it necessary to adopt German words, it must have felt right to do so.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Does it mean you are going to leave this thread alone at last? :):):):) If you have nothing interesting to say, why do you keep coming back and trolling?


Don`t you realise that your fekking experiences are totally unimportant in the thread which deals with Polish German past? Are you really so dumb or you are still pretending?

You and all other brilliant ones, understand one thing - Great History is not about personal experiences.


I am the kind of a teacher who dislikes bullcrap from students and I never forget to tell them that. Here is a sign which hangs in my classroom:

A48_no-bullshit.jpg

That is why I am telling you: stop crapping this thread.

I value serious contribution in such serious threads. :):):):):):)

The Polish language borrowed abundantly from German.

A few examples:
The German language also influenced Polish and other Slavic languages, for example kajuta from German Kajüte for (ship) cabin, sztorm from German Sturm for storm, burmistrz from German Bürgermeister for mayor, szynka from German Schinken for ham, or handel from German Handel for trade.

In Polish, szlafmyca from German Schlafmütze means night cap, but - as in German - also used in a figurative sense as sleepyhead. Szlafrok from German Schlafrock is a dressing-gown.

A Polish craftsman uses a śruba (screw, from German Schraube) and klajster (paste/glue from German Kleister). If he does not know the name of his tool, he may ask for a wihajster (thingamabob, from German Wie heißt er?, literally how is it called?). And will receive the requested thing:

Podaj mi ten mały wihajster! (Please give me the small thingamabot!)

There is also the word fajrant (leisure-time, from German Feierabend). In a carousal, he can drink to someone bruderszaft (from German Bruderschaft, fraternity) and disband with a rausz (from German Rausch, inebriation).

The list of borrowings:
he main time borrowing from German is for the period XIII-XVI., When cities get official legal status, and they are made a new cities, based on the Magdeburg law, ie. Under German law. So these are the words associated with the city, and construction law.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanizm

Here is a nice article but in Polish:

The total amount of Germanisms oscillates around 3-4 thousand, the majority of them being old and very old ones, especially from Medieval times.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Don`t be silly and stop pretending an expert. Most of the things, if not all, talked about here, were completely unknown to you.

Instead of thanking me for the chance to get acquainted with practical info which you might use in the future for your benefit, you are grumbling.

I regret to say it nut your attitude is infantile.
:):):):)


Wow! Thanks!!! )::):)

BTW, you are not the most brilliant German on this continent, are you?

OK, let it be so.

:):):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Sigh!

The aim of this topic is not to teach grammar or stylistics, so can you keep your musings about titles to yourself? You are wasting our time.


Interesting. I had little knowledge about it.

Indeed, the first print on Polish soil was perpetrated by a German:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasper_Straube

Kasper Straube (also Kaspar[1][2] or Caspar[3], also known as The Printer of the Turrecrematas) was a German 15th century printer from Bavaria.
He was active in Cracow between 1473 and 1477, decades before Johann Haller. His Latin almanac Calendarium cracoviense (Cracovian Calendar) of 1473[4] is regarded as the first work printed in Poland.[5]

Other surviving printed works by Straube include:
Juan de Torquemada: Explanatio in Psalterium
Franciscus de Platea: Opus restitutionum usurarum et excommunicationum
Augustine of Hippo: Opuscula (de doctrina christiana, de praedestinatione sanctorum)

Also, the first printing house was set and run by a German, and the first print in the Polish language was done by a German too.

The first print written in Polish language is believed to be Hortulus Animae polonice, a Polish version of Hortulus Animae written by Biernat of Lublin, printed and published in 1513 by Florian Ungler in Kraków. The last known copy was lost during World War II.

One of the first commercial printers in Poland is considered to be Johann Haller[3] who worked in Cracow in the early 16th century (since 1505) who in 1509 printed Nicolaus Copernicus Theophilacti Scolastici Simocatti Epistole morales, rurales at amatoriae, interpretatione latina.

Other well known early printers in Poland are:
Hieronymus Vietor from Silesia who worked in Vienna and Kraków
Printers from the Szafenberg family,
Florian Ungler
In the late 16th century there were 7 printing shops in Kraków, and in 1610 10 printing shops. A decline started in around 1615. Due to this fact in 1650 there remained only 3 secular printing shops, accompanied by a few ecclesial ones.

More: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_printing_in_Poland

Genealogy / How common was Polish-Jewish intermarriage? [21]

Not too common, but also not too rare, judging from pre-war Polish literature.

Life / Poland: worst teeth in the world? [98]


I don`t know. I said it might be rubbish.
But I talked to a Russian woman from Petersburg. She said that the city`s contemporary Russian young women`s bad teeth are the sad legacy of Nazi blockade of Lenigrad in 1940s during which 900.000 people starved to death while others suffered irreparable loss of health, including scurvy etc.

Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]

:):):):) Good. :):):) Did she use leather?

Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]


Come on, why are you putting such limitations on yourself? Where is your notorious :):):) Scottish sense of freedom??? Wake up Wallace in you!!

Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]


Seanus, learn one thing: handsome woman is rare, indeed, but it still functions in the Polish language with the same meaning as in English.

Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]


Being a Scot, you don`t know English too well. Are you really a teacher of English? :):):):):):) With what results? :):):):):)

Handsome Woman

A woman with the kind of refined beauty and attractiveness that requires poise, dignity, and strength of mind and character, things that often come with age; not merely sex-appeal. Usually applied to a woman who is also very well-groomed and from an upper class background.

"Though she had lost long ago her virginal loveliness, she had ripened into a handsome and fruitful looking woman." - Ellen Glasgow

Do you still think that refering to Julia/Joasia as a handsome woman was a mistake?

:):):):):)


Oh yes, indeed. :):):):)
A slip of the finger. :):):)

Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]

Tartar females can be very handsome:

Study / Going to Medical School in Poland (University of Warmia and Mazury in Olsztyn / and others) [51]


Krakow???

Just a random guess...

Life / Poland: worst teeth in the world? [98]

That is the heritage of past generations` negligence I was talking about.

Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1400]


Teffle, if you found a clean wild noble mushroom like that, I am sure you would land on cloud nine with an instant climax:


Yes and yes! This year I was lucky to find many of them. Good season! I already mentioned somewhere I made about 15 jars with pickled maślaks. Their slime is unbeatable.

Life / Poland: worst teeth in the world? [98]


Don`t be silly. My older sister used to wear braces in 1970s. That was nothing special, even in communism. Polish industry or private enterpreneurs produced this stuff. Also false teeth.

The real problem was getting good toothpaste with fluoride. In early 1980s my parents had to buy tooth powder because the paste was unavailable.

Life / Poland: worst teeth in the world? [98]

I haven`t seen such teeth in Poland yet.



teethpictures.org/2009/10/meth-teeth-mouth.html

Life / Poland: worst teeth in the world? [98]

The problem was first noticed in 1970s. I remember fluoride campaigns in my school. Once or twice a year we had to bring our toothbrushes to school and the dentist put some substance onto them and we had to brush our teeth in the school bathrooms.

One day, a lot of pupils in my class forgot to bring toothbrushes and, scared of possible consequences, we ran to a nearby shop during the break and bought them.

Can you imagine that? :):):):)

PS. I still have all my own teeth.

And when I have my teeth drilled from time to time (once in 3-4 years?), I always refuse the local anasthesia. I want to feel this pain as it is.

Am I sick? :):):):):)

Life / Poland: worst teeth in the world? [98]

I heard that teeth are very prone to suffer from the burden of past generations` bad habits. If your Polish grandparents used to have decayed teeth because they didn`t care and their eating habits were tragic, then the grandchildren will have a problem too.

It may be rubbish, though.

Yes, tooth care was always backwards in Poland, as I remember it.

However, your title is exaggerated.


I am sure there are countries with worse statistics.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

:):):):):):)

Go on, post more bullcrap, laughter is the best medicine, I will save on doctors. :):):):)

PS. Iron, I expect more sophisticated stuff from you than that. E.g., try to prove that Germans didn`t exert great influence on Poland in Middle Ages.

Will you? :):):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


I don`t think so. Trolls would come anyway and trash the topic with Nazi crimes and other stuff which suits another thread.


It is their problem, not mine. I was taught at psychology class that you should control your anger because it is absolutely your fault if you can`t.


Yes. Sinatra sang: I did it my way. Regrets, I've had a few

I can say: I did it my way and I regret nothing!


Ok, then be good and join the thread with valuable input instead of rants how boring it is etc.

What do you know about German settlers in Poland in early times?

Germans settled rich Polish areas which were vastly devastated by Tartars in 13 century. Settlers rebuilt these lands and developed in German style. They created Little Germany in Poland, had their own laws, even coins. Their presence exerted a great influence on Polish life in all its spheres, so great that it continued into modern times.

German Settlements in Poland

[....] A great number of German peasants, who, during the interregnum following the death of Friedrich II Hohenstaufen, suffered great oppression at the hands of their lords, were induced to settle in Poland under certain very favorable conditions. German immigration into Poland had started spontaneously at an earlier period, about the end of the XI century, and was the result of overpopulation in the central provinces of the Empire. Advantage of the existing tendency had already been taken by the Polish Princes in the XIIth century for the development of cities and crafts. Now the movement became intensified.[....]

Read the whole article here: freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~koby/political/chapter_03/03declinemonarch.html

Fascinating.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


The concept is mine. The style is mine too, although it has been a bit spoiled by trolls.

Any problems?


Wow! Shall I kneel down now?

:):):):):):):)

You are lucky one of my characteristics is my weakness towards Germans. Otherwise, I would say: get lost and troll in another thread!
:):):):):):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Does it mean you will be gone from here at last??? :):):):)

See you in other threads where you are quite normal and I do enjoy your input there.

However, your anti-German obsession has blinded you and discussing things with you here is no use.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Coming back to the Congress in Gniezno in 1000.

Titbit:

Bolesław threw a giant banquet in Otto`s honour. It lasted 3 days and delicious dishes like bear paws were served. At the end of it, the Emperor and his court were presented with all goldware and silverware from the tables.

The sumptuousness with which Otto was entertained in Poland amazed contemporary politicians and chroniclers.


restaurants.pl/ciekawostki/historyk/gniezno.htm


I didn`t do it because:

1. I supposed I dealt with intelligent people who would be able to see my intentions. Wasn`t it clearly positive-oriented at the beginning when I started with Wit Stwosz altarpiece example and such frigging words??:

Sheit, I made a thread about Russian contribution and forgot to do the same with German one.
After all, they are our most important neighbours and require even treatment.

Are you really so limited that you couldn`t guess what I meant by doing and saying the above???

God, why do I have to work with such simpletons????

2. I knew it would have no effect whatsoever and various trolls would fly in swarms like moths to a lamp.


I love acting like that, I feel so much younger! :):):):)

Ok, can you get back to the topic at last????

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


It is my thread and I set the rules. I have the right to it.

If you want to discuss dark sides, go and start your own thread. :):):)

Fair enough??

Besides, it seems you still don`t understand simple English:


What did I write a few posts above?:

to feel grateful to someone because of the way that they have helped you

Are Poles grateful for mass graves and death camps? No.

Should Poles be grateful for the Holy Lance? Yes.

Don`t you understand that intelligent people are able to see the difference bewteen these two????

If you can`t grasp it, get the f..k out of here and stop trolling at last!

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Hey, don`t you know that when you are not sure about some English words, you can consult a dictionary? :):):)
If you had at the very beginning of reading this thread, it would have spared us a lot of your useless posts.

TO OWE:

3
to have something only because someone or something has helped you
owe something to someone/something:

The company owes its success to its excellent training programme.

owe much/a lot/a great deal to someone/something:

The cathedral clearly owes a great deal to French design.

4
to feel grateful to someone because of the way that they have helped you
owe someone something:

We really owe you a great deal for all your hard work this year.

Thesaurus entry for this meaning of owe


The later it gets, the more prone to philosophy you become. :):):)

Come on. Don`t make simple things so complicated. :):):):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


OMG, this troll again.....

I don`t force anybody to thank. Poles are free to do what they want.

Personally, I want to thank Germans for everything good they did in and for Poland.

Thank you, Germans!

:):):):)