Off-Topic / Socialism in 21 century? [96]


That is a bold statement!

Just because they all failed doesn't mean they didn't try the best they could. It just never worked like promised in the books because it forget about the people...but alot of things don't survive the test of reality! For such ideologies to work you need another humans!

Smart people learn their lessons....stupid people want to try again!

Do you know Einstein's definition of insanity?

Off-Topic / Socialism in 21 century? [96]


It is a mainstay of socialism.....after all no socialist country managed without it!

PS: NationalSOCIALISM!!!

Off-Topic / Socialism in 21 century? [96]

As far as I have read cooperatives can work very well in a market system, meaning they can be as effective and successful in a democratic, capitalist system as a sole-owned enterprise....it's the in-efficient one-party-rule system common in socialist systems which puts a damper on everything...it just doesn't work...the economy doesn't work and hence even cooperatives have no chance in such a failed system!

Off-Topic / Socialism in 21 century? [96]


Seriously???

That is your opinion only....

History / Why did Hitler call Poles Half Jews? [98]

Easy!

The Nazis made alot of ugly cartoons about Jews....to denigrate and humiliate them....there they did not look white....black hair, black eyes, long noses...there exists a jewish stereotype and it isn't white (european at least)!

History / Why did Hitler call Poles Half Jews? [98]


I always wonder why they didn't fight like that before..in Europe....seriously....would the Holocaust have been even possible with the Jews really fighting back?

About 6 Million people....mostly led to the slaughter like lambs....without resistance...even as they have must known what awaits them...

Polonia / What about the Poles living in Germany? [65]

It's not even shared by a majority of Germans.....the GREENS got not even 15% of the votes in the latest elections.

And with the ever rising prices for energy this number is shrinking...you have to belong to a certain class of people to be able to afford being a world-climate-animals rescuing goody-two-shoes!

Polonia / What about the Poles living in Germany? [65]


....trying to rescue the world/climate....they say....

If it works all out in the end...great...if not....it will all end in blood and tears!

Polonia / What about the Poles living in Germany? [65]

When the gas flow stops because of russian war in the East the latest...

(We still have nuclear plants, just shut down)


Of course not yet.....our Greens just joined the gov with the promise to go all renewable....that was before the cold realpolitik knocked though....

And in my experience realpolitik always beats any ideology! And right now its:

"Nuclear plants = Realpolitik"

(The whole EU sees it that way btw....Germany is in that question quite abit isolated)

Polonia / What about the Poles living in Germany? [65]


At least the nuclear power will make a comeback in Germany....I guess....also because of Russia's shenanigans!

History / The reasons of Polish pride? [112]


Wot???

Language / "Putschke" - Please help me figure out a nickname my grandfather called me [30]

Found something similiar...."patshke"

Definitions

v. "1. To fuss or "mess around" inefficiently and inexpertly. 2. To dawdle, to waste time."

Example Sentences

"This recipe involves a lot of patshke."

"She's been patshkeying around with that model airplane all day."

"The project is almost due; I can't potchkey with it any more."

jel.jewish-languages.org/words/430

Sounds that like something your father would call you?

PS: Patschke (and Putschke) are german surnames too....

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Regardless of who is right? Really Milo?

Germans had their barbaric phase too.....You don't even trust and dislike us because of our past....you can't possible dislike the Serbs more.....for what?

All that venom against that country....why? Just because of Crowie?

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Now do tell...what do we get out of it? Slaves? Resources? Taxes??? :)

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

Okay...."Deutsches Reich"....that works for me too! :)

HRE in german: "Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation" or HRRDN....much to long and clumsy!


All of them? Who should that be?

Can't you make some real arguments with facts behind instead of these short unproven slogans....I would prefer to discuss such things....but how can we discuss such sentences? It's impossible...

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


I prefer "German Empire".....I'm not that hot on all things Rome historically, heh:)


For what are they working then?

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Holy Roman Empire

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire


Nun ja....listening to some of you they are seemingly only sleeping there in the EU parliament....doing nothing at all to stop the Germans from domineering....don't they work for polish interests?

But then, they are in different EU parties...their interests might differ....

Do you have more infos about them?

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

Erm.....


theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/24/poland-jarosaw-kaczynski-germany-eu-fourth-reich

Yeah....I can see these Nazis.....

On the Law and Justice list: (ECR)

Adam Bielan
Joachim Brudziński
Richard Czarnecki
Anna Fotyga
Patryk Jaki (United Poland)
Krzysztof Jurgiel
Karol Karski
Beata Kempa
Izabela Kloc
Joanna Kopcińska
Zdzisław Krasnodębski (independent)
Elżbieta Kruk
Zbigniew Kuźmiuk
Ryszard Legutko
Beata Mazurek
Andżelika Możdżanowska
Tomasz Poręba
Elżbieta Rafalska
Bogdan Rzońca
Jacek Saryusz-Wolski
Beata Szydło
Grzegorz Tobiszowski
Witold Waszczykowski
Jadwiga Wiśniewska
Anna Zalewska
Kosma Złotowski
Dominik Tarczyński - since 1 February 2020[2]
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On the Spring list: (S&D)

Robert Biedroń
Łukasz Kohut
Sylwia Spurek (independent)
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On the European Coalition list:
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Civic Platform (EPP Group)

Magdalena Adamowicz
Bartosz Arłukowicz
Jerzy Buzek
Jarosław Duda
Tomasz Frankowski
Andrzej Halicki
Danuta Hübner
Ewa Kopacz
Janusz Lewandowski
Elżbieta Łukacijewska
Janina Ochojska (independent)
Jan Olbrycht
Radosław Sikorski
Róża von Thun und Hohenstein
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Democratic Left Alliance (S&D)

Marek Balt
Marek Belka
Włodzimierz Cimoszewicz
Bogusław Liberadzki
Leszek Miller
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Polish People's Party (EPP Group)

Krzysztof Hetman
Adam Jarubas
Jarosław Kalinowski

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_European_Parliament_for_Poland,_2019%E2%80%932024

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Yeah well.....*shrugs*....there are of course differences.....in London democracy is done differently (poodle wigs:) than in Washington too (only two parties).....alot of that is due the history. After the defeat in WWII West-Germany got itself a most modern, updated variant.

But similiar in that they are no dictatorships and an endless one-man rulership who jailes, beats and kills every opposition...also in the EU parliament they get elected/kicked out every few years....majority rules....everybody can take part as long as he adheres to a few common basic rules.....you know...such stuff....

Where is my idea of democracy not democratic?

In case you are truly interested:

....Elections to the European Parliament take place every five years by universal adult suffrage, and with more than 400 million people eligible to vote, they are considered the second largest democratic elections in the world after India's....[1]

While European political parties have the right to campaign EU-wide for the European elections,[5] campaigns still take place through national election campaigns, advertising national delegates from national parties. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_to_the_European_Parliament

But still....it's yet only similiar....the still rather loose integration doesn't allow for more:

...No other EU institution is directly elected, with the Council of the European Union and the European Council being only indirectly legitimated through national elections.[4]...

It think that in a future "inner core" integration will have come so far that the whole government will be electable and accountable to it's citizens, as it should be!

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


It can be challenged anytime....there are different party's and factions in the EU...most are in alliances with likeminded.....if Poland and Hungary get no sway then it's their lack of networking and building of support and alliances. Maybe they are just that isolated with some of their positions. In the EU you also need to find a majority to get things done your way. It's similiar with any democratic parliament (including corruption)...don't blame "the" whole EU for lack of a members success!

If you are truly interested:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_groups_of_the_European_Parliament#9th_European_Parliament

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


If the EU would start building walls to keep us IN, you would have a point.

As it is we need walls to keep people OUT.....as annoying as that might be as a benchmark if an institution is successful or not it doesn't point exactly to it's looming demise!


The EU has already changed alot in recent years....wall building against mass immigration for example had been unthinkable a few years back...today I read that the EU is planning to support nuclear power....with the help of german EU politicians (Von der Leyen herself btw.) who belong to Merkel-Party CDU....a total setback for Merkel and the Greens anti-nuclear power-policy....

I trust in the EU that she is adaptable, she is already proving to be able to!


Every nation has manufacturing and non-manufacturing regions....where the wealthier support the poorer regions.....that is impossible in the EU as it is now, but the "inner core" will be able to do that for it's members too.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


I doubt I (or you) will be around if that happens....the EU is good for some more decades! The global political necessities now and especially in the future will demand that.

And as history shows the EU as it is will rather fizzle out....starting probably with a slow but steady split into an "inner core" with nations willing to go further and an "outer core" with nations which will not.

Now just think about which voices will be stronger on the world stage, who will be heard and who will be ignored....

PS: When your people later belong to the latter, because of decisions made by people like you, don't blame the Germans again for your own shortsightedness and the consquential difference in power and influence! Of course the inner core of the EU will have more of all of it, Poland would again be only a bench sitter, politically and also economically...

Who should be ashamed then?

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

....it didn't really work anyhow....

Have to go.....'night :)

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

...you fear germanisation but want us to become a military big boy again??? Man, I can hear the cries of joy from our neighbours already...

Remember? As we met first back then I posted german jokes to convince you we Germans really have at least a bit of humour! :):):)

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Thing is I don't believe you disagree on the EU or on the point of a union generally, you often post here as a proud Brit, I never have you seen criticizing their empire, their union.

Your problem are the Germans only....and that is another topic altogether!


Been here recently? I wish Berlin could control Berlin....we Berliners would be perfectly happy with that....but its not happening....Berlin is a failed state!

Your image of the Germans lives alone in your head, and it is incredible difficult to discuss with a prejudice, a cliche, a non-existing stereotype, a fear. Maybe we should leave the EU out of our future discussions. Our disagreement isn't really about the european union....


It's the run of time I think....all Empires go through a kind of evolution.....usually they don't end with a poof but rather fizzle out. It's all true what you and Cojest say....they become to big, to bloated, to corrupt, to bureaucratic...the inner differences to big, the leadership to weak....all true.

But you know what happens then? After a time a new Empire/Union will be founded...sometimes even in the territory of the old one....a new name....a fresh spirit...fresh enthusiasm...again and again and again....

The advantages are just to big to ignore!

Yeah....in time the EU will collapse, but I truly think for the upcoming centuries she will be Europe's only way to stay on top....to keep in the play with the real global big players...not to be overrun and become a used hasbeen on the world stages, depending on foreign powers and their whims!

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Because it is?

Unification = bigger, stronger, more powerful, more influential than every region for itself alone

It's not exactly rocket science....even economically weaker/less developed countries have a bigger voice just because of their size and population.

Size is Might!

(And I don't even start with technological development, industrialization and all that where Europe leads....that power unified, pooling its resources, could take on anybody and everybody anytime!)

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


See?

What else are you afraid of?

French is surely not a Lingua Franca in Europe....or else I would speak it! :)


Then why do you defend the Brits? Their history is as bloody, oppressive, agressive and dominating as you keep accusing the Germans of.....is that the Pole speaking?


Erm....definitely NOT!

We had our own Empire (HRE)....lasted even longer....nearly 1000 years, thank you very much. IF, then the Brits emulated us, heh:)

The Hanseatic League worked well too....an idea of an economic union across borders....now THAT was german dominated! Still...extremely successfull...lasted over 300 years and made many traders rich....you can still even today see along the coastlines the traces of those times...(and Poland was part of it:)

Milo,

you should stop observing Germany through your polish WWII eyes, that must give you a distorted and inherently wrong view. German history is much more than that, so much more....and frankly, since the Germans under Arminius kicked roman asses at the height of the Roman Empire, starting their end, I find it truly hard to call them losers! :)

2000 years if history Milo....good and bad times.....ups and downs....won some, lost some...truly bright spots, really dark ones too.....and the newest chapter isn't even written yet!

Good night:)

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


When all start speaking German as Lingua Franca of the EU, then you could start speaking of Germanisation....


Now that is all in your head....and frankly, I don't know where that comes from?

You have to decide at one point....do you need/want a losing Germany? And what about the other Europeans?

Would you prefer an EU without Germany? What should happen with Germany?


PS: You had an Empire and lost it....has history now proven too that you are a loser?

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


But it didn't start out peacefully for you either, didn't it...not to mention losing big chunks over time...and I heard there is "talk" in Ireland and Scotlang now too...;)

It's like the EU in reverse!


Totally agree....that's why we stopped trying! :)


What is wrong with peaceful unification?

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Yeah....and before that it was German....and before THAT it was Latin....so what!

I would like to keep English (it's also most easy for Germans since it started out as a germanic dialect)....no interest in learning Mandarin....


Really....as the EU was started Germany just lost WWII, was totally destroyed, still occupied and partitioned....that must have been some magic at work here! ;)

(Or we are really those Übermenschen!!!:)



You prefer we try it with our armies?


Is a unification generally you have a problem with *cough UNITED Kingdom cough Commonwealth cough* or do you just don't like especially Germans doing it? Like winning Football World Championships? :)