News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


I guess if it had been more like the monument in Berlin-Treptow it would had been left standing...a man with a child in his arm amidst a cemetery....not a superhuman showing off communist symbols....it's an acceptable difference also for conquered!

bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-09-20/why-berlin-won-t-be-tearing-down-its-soviet-memorials

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]

The West was better with an East to compete with....that system rivalry did held the worst in check and forced them to be better....to bad the Easterners had to suffer for it!

Off-Topic / What's your connection with Poland? Penpals. [595]

Oh, that's easy!

Imagine an important football tournament.....Germany : Poland....which team to you cheer for? (See? Easy answer!:)

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


I have to agree here! I always wondered why the USians are okay with only two parties which always change their ruling only between them...especially as modern populaces are much more diverse with many more opinions and ideals....

A big plus for the german system with it's many parties....even when ruling might sometimes gets more problematic with so many compromises needed !

I wonder why the US as big victor and occupant of West-Germany installed that more-party system in Germany but not at home.....

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


Yes! And that's where the AfD actually gets most of its current support in the German populace....the wish a strong oppositional AfD will force the other parties to act decisively with the immigration problem at last....still...most don't want the AfD actually ruling....just doing their job in the opposition!


Lyzko....the post-war european asylum laws were never meant for this current "Völkerwanderung" from all over the globe....you don't need to be an undemocratic fascist to know that this can't go on like it has for decades!

The world has changed!!! The post-war Europe doesn't exist anymore...we have to adapt or laws!

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


I guess the usual parties, here rather CDU and FDP, are coming to grips with that fact....they don't want to end up like other european countries where the rightists have taken over.

Denmark shows the way....still a rather leftist gov plus a new anti-immigrant policy and voila....the rightist threat was gone!


youtube.com/watch?v=zpkBKEPxze4

....but its still 2 years till the new Bundestags elections, I guess till then the topic of immigration will still find strong supporters with the current leftist parties like the Greens and the SPD, as long as they are in power! To be pro-immigration is a long standing mainstay of their programs....

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


Guaranteed! But not the majority...

The radicals in the AfD are at the limits to what is constitutional allowed in Germany....when there would be a danger to destroy what was build after WWII they would be forbidden by the constitutional court, the last safeguard of our democracy.

This court acted before with the other Neo-Nazi-revolutionary party, the NPD....there is no reason it wouldn't act again if there would be a real danger.

But there is good reason to think the AfD will get less radical the more members/voters and the more influence she gets....it wouldn't be the first party which starts out as radical and got quite tame with rising success and responsibilities.

The far majority of the Germans is quite conservative and not radical/revolutionary, neither left nor right...the party has to account for that when they want to go further places!

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


....sounds german....

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Na ja....then russian course of action was the worst way to go about it. Every people with warm blood running through its veins closes the ranks, no matter how deep the trenches between the fractions might be, when attacked a people usually forgets about all divisions and need for reforms and concentrates on unification and defense.

If Russia wanted to help cementing Selensky as ruler they only had to invade...not to mention cementing future ukrainian western orientiation (EU...NATO...)

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]

The german AfD has recently decided to become a member of the ID..."Identity and Democracy"....an organization for european rightist parties...

idgroup.eu/

Already members are Italy, France, Austria, Flanders, Czech Republic, Estonia, Netherlands, Denmark and now Germany...

Will PiS join too?

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


...not only in Germany! The rightist parties are rising/taking over in most of Europe because of the ongoing immigration malaise mainly!

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


....rather Weidel, I think....a lesbian female....even the wokest Greens will find it hard! :)

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]

.....can't believe it!

AfD is generally pro-Russia/anti-US/anti-NATO/anti-EU.....I mean if PiS now don't fear already a german-russian anti-polish conspiracy now would be the time!

On the other hand, why should only Poland be allowed an ultra-nationalist government? They will miss the actual german gov....

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


???

Russia has about 10% muslims (yes, I googled that!)...most of them live in the Caucasus...they have their own countries and societies....

If you would integrate them in the european part of Russia....in your big cities like Moscow etc....THEN you could compare with the West and see if you are successful!

...It also allowed Russia to claim a sense of belonging in the Muslim world, a position Putin has always been keen to emphasise....

france24.com/en/europe/20230516-turning-away-from-the-west-russia-seeks-to-strengthen-economic-ties-with-the-muslim-world

You won't hear that from a western country ever....hopefully! Begs the question who integrated whom....

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

....okay....I admit I know not enough about that topic and I better shut up.

*walks out of thread*

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


....or.....as Iron said so wisely, just let it go...for awhile at least!

Maybe that apology is something for later generations, when that wound has been closed by time and history abit more....

Frankly I wonder about these bishops and their apology too....I wonder if there is something more to that story....

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


Yeah...that's what I was told about it too.

Is the murder made during wiping out a whole people because of their race or is it happening during a war, a civil war or another violent controversy! Even murdering civilians isn't automatically a genocide, "only" a war crime.

Today in Germany we remember the "Operation Gomorrah", eight days and nights of allied air raids which killed about 37.000 civilians and destroyed Hamburg....still, no genocide!

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]


HEY!!!

Germans and apologies??? What do we know about it....

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

...somehow that PF apology-war made it into Twitter:)

"The lack of a Ukrainian apology remains one of the biggest obstacles to a Polish-Ukrainian alliance... But this is rather ironic, considering that Poland has a robust tradition of refusing to admit guilt for its own historical wrongs."

twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1683490166655131649

What a timing during a war!

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


...it's the bad conscience, I tellya.

Without the West's meddling Ukraine wouldn't be invaded today....Crimea would never have become a topic....their left-over nukes on their territory from soviet times being a sure deterrent to any neighbour.

As I read the West convinced then-Ukraine with promises and safety-guarantees...that's where we are now! A decision all regret by now, Ukraine the most!


I read up about them....they don't look to me as pro-Nazi traitors but much rather anti-communist. A mean mix-up typical for that time.....in alot of countries the Nazis invaded.

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

What is it with you and pawian? Did I miss something? :)

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


Phew....you are right of course....and who knows, the AfD will develop in time and with responsibilities and become more european! :)

*goes making dinner*

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

....our AfD is very pro-Russia.....what then??? Alot rightist parties in Europe are....okay, that would be the stuff for a totally wholly different thread, so stopping here!

(And could someone shoot my typos?)

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


Of course!!!! :)


....an important point! And I ask you just to have some more patience with Germany a bit longer....more and more Germans are against the current quite leftist stronghold here too and you will see proof of it in every actual and upcoming election.

Most Germans are socially quite more conservative as our gov lets you think and especially the whole immigration desaster is a tipping point for the mood in Germany!

And yes...since more and more former rather left leaning countries (Sweden!!!) are moving to the right the EU will in the end also move to the right, so will Germany...

As nice as this looks the problem I see will be with the future AfD, the most open proponent of this move to the right. As right/conservative also means nationalist it could very well be that our AfD will butt heads with polish nationalists as from PiS even more than with the current quite leftist german gov....that promises not exactly easier times for our both peoples!

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


Definitely!

It's the timing! This war could have been a great reason for reconciliation between our both peoples....together fighting a common enemy....you know....

But it seems now it could become rather again a source for disagreements and strife and hostility....it's mindboggling....sometimes it seems Poles and Germans are just like cats and dogs....they just rub each other the wrong way, no matter the reason....it's useless!

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

.....and that at a moment when "latecomer" Germany, long condemned for its foot-dragging, decided to put all of its weight behind Ukraine! 🙄

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

....is there a mood-change in Poland? In the polish gov? Will Poland continue to support Ukraine in this war?

That could be an explanation for the tank-mystery.....

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]


That is an interesting thread with much needed info, Torqi!

This whole grain business is very confusing here, I can tell you.....nobody in Germany wants to see starving Ukrainians! And yes, because of lacking info Poland doesn't look good in this (even if nobody in the german media, as far as I know is blaming Poland...I guess most german Journos are also confused about that).

Travel / What do people think about German people in Poland? [25]

Such accounts are always haunting....

I read in the german news about that polish hero that recently died with 109 years (HUNDREDNINE!!!). Born at WW1...fighted during WW2...made it through the Warsaw Uprising....what a life! I can't imagine living through what he had...RIP

Travel / What do people think about German people in Poland? [25]

Germanophobia!!! I tell ya.....