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Communist memorials in Poland


pawian 194 | 19,848
18 Aug 2012 #1
communist system lasted 1945-1989.
some memorials were pulled down immediately after the system collpased, others remained and hold strong.

the memorial in uście gorlickie, to polish communist partisans, red army soldiers and all polish soldiers from lemko area. Written in polish and cyrillic.

i suppose if pis activists tried to pull it down as they planned in 2007, they would be lynched by locals.





Frantisek 1 | 20
29 Aug 2012 #2
It is norma in Czech Republic. Red army memorials are in many places. Peoples know very good what is reason behind this monuments. Simple Russian soldiers died, where was there fault they fight with deadly enemy like Nazis? Let they stay in there locations - who cares? it is history.

cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Památník_Rudé_armády_(Ostrava)
Harry
29 Aug 2012 #3
Here's the one in Zamosc:
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
30 Aug 2012 #4
some memorials were pulled down immediately after the system collpased,

The most notorious ones: Lenin in Krakow was virtually hanged in 1989: :):):):):)
Szlachcic - | 36
30 Aug 2012 #5
Ah, those were the very good times!

A real shame the youth of today fall for all this negative propaganda about communism.
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
31 Aug 2012 #6
Yaaawn, it`s so stupid what you say. I don`t think you know much about young Polish people today.
kondzior 12 | 1,221
31 Aug 2012 #7
Ah, those were the very good times!

A real shame the youth of today fall for all this negative propaganda about communism

Obviously Szlachcic doesn't have anybody in Family who had the "plesure" of living through Soviet Ocupation of Eastern Poland during 1939-41. During only 2 years Soviets led by Jews managed to kill 1/3 of Ethic Poles war wictim.... Having only half of country to rule over. Anything good about Communism came after 1956 when Polish Communist with Nationalist bend like Gomulka (who was imprisoned by Stalin for being too Polish) took over and kicked out Jews from Party and State Security. Not to mention Anti Polish policy is pan German phenomen dating back to Tuetonic Order and Bismarck and mayority of victims could be averted if Poland had the brain to not ally itself with Decadent and Treacherous countries like UK and France. Just compare victims in Czech Republic, Slovakia and Croatia... all Slav countries which should be in theory be targeted by genocide as well... except they weren't former having brain to surrender latter being Axis allies of III Reich. Nobody is blaming Hungarians for this now... Heck nobody blames Soviet Union/Russia looks like Poland was again outjewed.
Szlachcic - | 36
31 Aug 2012 #8
Obviously Szlachcic doesn't have anybody in Family who had the "plesure" of living through Soviet Ocupation of Eastern Poland during 1939-41.

Both of my parents, as well as grandparents, had only positive things to say about it.

My mother especially loved learning Russian culture and language, and considered herself a Russian citizen second to being Polish.

As a small child, we travelled to and lived in Sankt Petersburg on and off in the 80s. :)

It's a real pity that Poles today don't learn Russian to the same extent as during RPL.

I'm sorry if your family didn't benefit from it.

Quite frankly, I could care less. :)
kondzior 12 | 1,221
31 Aug 2012 #9
Both of my parents, as well as grandparents, had only positive things to say about it.

Oh wow, Jew using a "Szlachcic" (nobleman) nick. How quaint.
Now I get why it was "good times" for you.
Szlachcic - | 36
31 Aug 2012 #10
Oh wow, Jew using a "Szlachcic" (nobleman) nick. How quaint.

I am no Jew.

My prababcia hails from a noble family of Wadwicz, from the Wilno region.

My father proudly has the herp displayed in his living room, and I have it tattooed on my chest.

thank you. :)
rybnik 18 | 1,461
31 Aug 2012 #11
Lenin in Krakow was virtually hanged in 1989

Was that the one in Nowa Huta? If so, it was a huge statue!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
31 Aug 2012 #12
During only 2 years Soviets led by Jews

Led by Jews? I don't think so. Then again, it suits your nasty little racist theories, doesn't it?

Anything good about Communism came after 1956 when Polish Communist with Nationalist bend like Gomulka (who was imprisoned by Stalin for being too Polish) took over and kicked out Jews from Party and State Security.

Anyone with half a brain knows that the purge of Jews came in 1968. Gomulka was also imprisoned - not for being too Polish, but for deviating from Stalin's line.

Not to mention Anti Polish policy is pan German phenomen dating back to Tuetonic Order and Bismarck and mayority of victims could be averted if Poland had the brain to not ally itself with Decadent and Treacherous countries like UK and France.

I'm enjoying your use of random capitals. Did you actually go to school, or just pretend to?

looks like Poland was again outjewed.

What on earth is "outjewed", you nasty little person?
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
31 Aug 2012 #13
Was that the one in Nowa Huta? If so, it was a huge statue!

Yes, almost as huge as Feliks Dzierżyński monument in Warsaw which was also hanged in 1989:

poland

poland monument
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
19 Aug 2022 #14
Lenin in Krakow was virtually hanged in 1989:

Let`s relive those glorious moments again..... :):):)







OP pawian 194 | 19,848
19 Aug 2022 #15
Feliks Dzierżyński monument in Warsaw which was also hanged in 1989:




Bobko 11 | 1,119
19 Aug 2022 #16
@pawian

Ah, my favorite Pole after John Paul II.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,836
19 Aug 2022 #17
Why JPII? I understand the former you need to kill a lot of Russians to be liked and respected in Russia.
Bobko 11 | 1,119
19 Aug 2022 #18
Why JPII?

I have thing for Popes, and he is the only Polish Pope.
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
21 Aug 2022 #19
memorial in uście gorlickie, to polish communist partisans, red army soldiers and all polish soldiers from lemko area.

Ten years ago we were spending our holidays in Uście Gorlickie and that monument attracted my attention as it still carried that communist message.

they would be lynched by locals.

I found an article describing a brawl over the monument in 2018 which ended with a compromise - the monument stayed but the inscription glorifying communists was changed - they left the part about Polish soldiers from Lemko region.
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
21 Aug 2022 #20
After RuSSists brutally invaded Ukraine, the demolition of the Soviet monuments still remaining here gained momentum.

It is either local community`s initiative or quite individual one.
Check this one - on the news of the invasion, an enraged citizen used his bulldozer to pull down the monument to the Victorious Red Army in Koszalin.

The Monument to the Victorious Soviet Army, unveiled in 1954, was the first monument erected after the war in Koszalin (West Pomeranian Voivodeship). It showed a Soviet soldier in full gear with a girl hugging him, a dove in her hand, as a symbol of peace.

The monument was made of sandstone and stood on a pedestal on the then Victory Square (today's Freedom Square) in front of the former Provincial Office. In 1998, it was demolished, and on March 3, 2001, it was erected in a new place, at the Municipal Cemetery.

After the monument was erected in the cemetery, a plaque with the inscription from the original pedestal was placed on the new pedestal: "The victorious Soviet Army, the liberator of the eternally Polish land of Koszalin in the tenth anniversary of the Polish People's Republic. Society of the City of Koszalin".





jon357 71 | 21,086
22 Aug 2022 #21
Very good news. Time to remove the rest.

They could be sold on eBay with the proceeds going to buy weapons for Ukraine.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,669
22 Aug 2022 #22
@pawian

Love it!

Very good news. Time to remove the rest.

Without question!
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
23 Aug 2022 #23
Time to remove the rest.

In April another Red Army monument was pulled down in Garncarsk near Wrocław.



Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,836
24 Aug 2022 #24
Not enough and not fast enough.
Also those graves should be moved to one place, a coummunist block like cemetary where they will feel like home.\
We could free a lot of space this way.
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
24 Aug 2022 #26
Also those graves should be moved to one place

We are not talking graves in above cases. Those are only memorials. Graves are in cemeteries which are untouchable.

those graves should be moved to one place

Don`t be silly. In revenge, RuSSists will move all Polish graves in the East. Do you really want it???
Use your reason!! It isn`t so painful.

Are there soldiers graves too?

No.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,836
24 Aug 2022 #27
Are there soldiers graves too?

Those are not touched. I think they should be moved. In Poland they are like oh no those are graves we can't move them blah blah. I say - why not?!
jon357 71 | 21,086
24 Aug 2022 #28
I think they should be moved.

War cemeteries are special, however gravestones have been moved before in Poland so there is a precedent for this and grassing them over to make a park with a discreet memorial plaque explaining the history would not be the worst thing.

In some countries graves (i.e. the corpses in them) are moved too, though not usually in war cemeteries.

I say - why not?

Me too, however in Poland it would be a more significant gesture than in many places due to cultural attitudes towards cemeteries.
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
24 Aug 2022 #29
In Poland they are like oh no those are graves we can't move them blah blah. I say - why not?!

Because graves in Poland are holy, silly! Where were you born? In Poland or Mongol lands???
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,836
24 Aug 2022 #30
Because graves in Poland are holy,

Really? and what happens after 20 years with a grave when family won't pay to keep it?


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