News / Life and work of Stepan Bandera - controversial figure of Europe [42]


Yes, I think I understand now what you mean.

To understand how we can hate Ukrainian nationalists, and call Ukrainians brothers at the same time - please read this excerpt from the book above:

Because of the nationalist discourse that took place in eastern Galicia, the province was labeled as the Ukrainian "Piedmont." Because of their loyalty to the Habsburg Empire, Galician Ukrainians were known as the "Tyroleans of the East." In Russian Ukraine, on the other hand, the majority of the political and intellectual stratum assimilated into Russian culture and did not pay attention to Ukrainian nationalism."

We never knew these as$hole Ukrainians who hate us, they are a new element within our ecosystem. They were raised within greenhouse conditions by a Cossack-loving Austrian prince, with the express purpose of irritating Poles and Russians. It is why we want to kill every Banderite - exactly because as you said - "why the hell would he fight Russians?"

The East is the same as us, and so is the Center. The West of Ukraine is however a strange land, with strange people. It was easy to ignore them for a long time because it was primarily agricultural and poor compared to the other regions. Turns out ignoring those hillbillies was a big mistake.

News / Life and work of Stepan Bandera - controversial figure of Europe [42]


Well, first of all they are much more similar to each other, than they are to neighboring Germans. This is proof of a common origin, despite the huge geographical area over which Slavs are spread out. There are exceptions to this of course. Northern Russians, have more in common with Baltic, German, and Finno-Ugric people than with other Russians. The identifying genetic markers are the R1a and I2 haplogroups.

Second factor of difference, is probably that we are relatively new. From a European perspective, and kind of from our own as well. Germans are ancient, and you can read about them all the way down to tribes and individuals in texts like Caesar's Commentarii de Bello Gallico. They appear throughout antiquity, play an important role through the various Gothic kingdoms, and then eventually play a key role in the Holy Roman Empire. Slavs during this period are shrouded in myth and legend. This newness plays out in all sorts of ways, from feelings of inferiority to the other extreme of superiority because we are "wilder".

Finally, the fact that we are descended from the same people, means we inevitably carry some similar traits. These make us closer to each other, than to our German or Romanian neighbors. Germans are organized, we are disorganized. Germans are pedantic, while we paint with a broad stroke. Germans are hard workers, while we need a good incentive to put out. I think these things are common, from Prague to Vladivostok.

News / Life and work of Stepan Bandera - controversial figure of Europe [42]


Don't know how you define ethnicities... I think most people would say these are different people, while some Russians might say that Russians and Ukrainians are the same (DNA mapping also proves this to a large extent). If you believe that Slavs are a separate race from other white people, then yes.

They are definitely cousins/brothers, but still - as is evident - some of them act like the brother that wants to cut himself off from the family.

Not sure if Poles are considered cousins/brothers in the same regard. It's more broad with the Poles. Like second or third cousins, I suppose.

News / Life and work of Stepan Bandera - controversial figure of Europe [42]


Stalin didn't care about Russians, Georgians, Poles, Jews, Martians... Stalin only thought in categories of influence, leverage, control. He never wrapped his murderousness in a guise of martyrdom or heroism. Instead, he preferred to do it quietly, in the night, and not to be shared with a soul until years after his death

Today, even the most autistic Stalinist, does not try to justify the excesses - but instead focuses on industrialization, rearmament, the war, etc.

Bandera is another fruit entirely. His mission was a Ukraine free of Russians, Poles, Jews and Gypsies. He allied himself with the most murderous regime in human history. His supporters perpetrated mass terror against millions of people. His name is glorified in modern Ukraine as some Joan de Arc or George Washington.

A quote @Alien:

Modern Ukrainian nationalism, as manifested in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries in Galicia, became increasingly hostile to Poles, Jews, and Russians. The hostility to Poles was related to the nationalist interpretation of their socio-economic circumstances, as well as the feeling that the Poles had occupied the Ukrainian territories and had deprived the Ukrainians of a nobility and an intelligentsia.

News / Life and work of Stepan Bandera - controversial figure of Europe [42]

Here's another excerpt, which shows the very enlightened approach towards Jews practiced by OUN-B militias:

Eliyahu Yones was seized on 12 November 1941 by Ukrainian policemen in Lviv. After he was beaten and robbed by them, a German officer asked him some questions concerning his occupation. Together with other Jews, Yones then had to stay with his face to the wall, and hands on the wall, for several hours. During this time, the Jews were further beaten and humiliated. After several hours they were driven by truck to a bathhouse, where they had to hand over the rest of their belongings and then:

In the evening, the light was switched on [in a hall of the bathhouse]. Suddenly, we received a new order: "sing".

In the middle of the hall, many Ukrainian men gathered and later, Ukrainian women also came. They took delight in the singing and it was obvious that they looked forward to the upcoming events.

Thank you Grzegorz Rassoliński! Now every PF member can know exactly what type government they support, next time the Ukrainians host a Bandera March through Kiev or Lvov.

News / Life and work of Stepan Bandera - controversial figure of Europe [42]

Found a good book, written by a Pole.

Stephan Bandera: The Life and Afterlife of a Ukrainian Nationalist - Fascism, Genocide and Cult by Grzegorz Rossoliński-Liebe.

I am very grateful to this Pole, for the book he wrote.

For example, one of the main arguments of Banderists is that he was an innocent martyr for Ukrainian freedom while sitting in a German concentration camp. Essentially, that he had been fooled by the Germans into believing that they would grant independence to Ukraine. Well, here is an excerpt from the book:

After being taken to Berlin in early July 1941, Bandera and Stets'ko offered much less resistance to the Nazis than nationalist historiography and Ukrainian nationalist propaganda portrayed. They tried to repair the relationship with the Germans, encouraged Ukrainians to collaborate with Germany, and tried to persuade the Germans that they needed and should keep the government established by Stets'ko. In an open letter dated 4 August 1941, Stets' ko encouraged Ukrainians to help the German army in its struggle against the Soviet Union and hoped that the Nazis would accept the Ukrainian state, when they eventually controlled all Ukrainian territories.

Ahahahaha!

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


I think you lack appreciation for what type of enormous quantity of weapons Ukraine had.

The reason we struggle, is obvious. We did not expect them to resist. We expected them be in a state of shock and confusion. Instead what happened is Grandpa Biden gave them information about everything we were planning to do, 24-48 hrs before the attack. They hid all their planes, air defense systems, and prepared for our arrival.

If we defeat Ukraine comprehensively, a very big "IF" - then the rest of Europe will not contain a single country of comparable potential.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


No one said it doesn't, but Ukraine still possesses more brute power than Poland will then.

I don't know how you can argue this.

Poland is planning to spend something on the order of $110B over a decade to rearm. Ukraine received nearly twice that in a year, from the entire West emptying their warehouses (including from the warehouses of the planet's sole superpower).

I'll go further, and say that Ukraine was stronger at the beginning of the war than Poland will be in 2035. Ukraine has de facto the third strongest land army in the EU right now, after the United States and Turkey.

Law / Poland economy is slowing down - how does it affect you? [117]


Ever since the CCP raised the travel bans which they implemented at the beginning of the pandemic, we've been seeing the return of the regular hordes of Chinese here in NYC too. The shops at 5th Ave are very happy. Chinese love their Prada, Gucci, and Louis Vuitton.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


In terms of number of tanks, number of air defense systems, number of artillery tubes, number of men under arms - Ukraine is already much bigger than what Poland is supposed to be in 2035 at the end of the programme.

Law / Poland economy is slowing down - how does it affect you? [117]


They're the Kuwaitis and Emiratis of the North. They are second after Russia in Europe when it comes to oil and gas, except we have 150M people and they have 5M. Their State Pension Fund has $1.2 trillion in it, or about $200K per Norwegian.

Norway could pay down Poland's entire national debt, and have enough left to do it again.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


Anytime somebody amassed a mountain of weapons, it eventually got used. Look at Russia and Ukraine. People thought wars of this type were forever a thing of the past in Europe. Yet, here it is, raging like a wildfire. Would it happen, or take this form, if Russia and Ukraine weren't sitting on mammoth reserves of weapons which our fathers prepared for another war entirely?

Ukraine right now is many times stronger than Poland will be even after the completion of its program in the 2030s. Those weapons have not helped them prevent the total devastation of their land.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


Oh this is not good... When there are many weapons, eventually they get used.

Law / Poland economy is slowing down - how does it affect you? [117]

@PolAmKrakow

Norway!!! How does a country with such a small population send out so many tourists? They're just too damn rich those Norwegians.

Law / Poland economy is slowing down - how does it affect you? [117]


Ah, nice! So it didn't last too long, that situation where stupid tourists were afraid to go to Poland?

I found this article just now, that says that tourism numbers across the EU have pretty much returned to 2019 levels.

schengenvisainfo.com/news/eurostat-tourism-in-eu-showing-strong-recovery-rates-some-countries-even-surpassed-pre-pandemic-levels/

What sort of tourists do you see in Krakow? How would you break down the structure by origin, between these three categories: (1) Internal tourism (2) Intra-Schengen (3) Outside of EU?

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News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


It doesn't mean much, to be "above many West European armies" - even if that is true. France and Britain ran out of things to bomb Libya with, after only a month of operations. They then had to come to the US asking for munitions, after first proudly declaring the "No Fly Zone" over Libya a European operation.

Source: atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/nato-runs-short-on-some-munitions-in-libya/

West Europeans armies are known mostly for failing at containing small-scale insurgencies by poorly-armed farmers. From Libya, to Mali, to Congo, to Afghanistan.

If Poland wants to compare itself to someone it should rather do it with countries like South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Turkey. You know, actually strong militaries.

In any case, this discussion is moot because of what we have learned about Poland's financial position. PiS has made grand declarations about buying tons of weapons in an attempt to shore up its support among Russophobe voters (surprisingly large electoral bloc). In reality there is no money to pay for the commitments, without seriously hurting the budgets for healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc.

The plan to double Poland's army all the way to 300K is also dead on arrival. Poland has worse demographics than Russia, a country that is 4X its size. Russia struggles to keep its land component staffed at 300K with contract soldiers, even though average salaries in Russia are not very high and the army offers a comparatively good deal. How the hell will Poland manage to corral additional tens of thousands of people as volunteers, every year, to reach that figure? Even in America, all services are struggling to achieve their recruitment quotas.

Finally - let's remind ourselves - what's the most important thing for any military organization? That's right - experience. The United States has been at war nearly constantly during the last few decades. Russia also. Turkey has been flexing its muscles in Syria, and trying out various technologies from Libya to Azerbaijan. The Saudis, very bloodily, have been occupied with Yemen for the better part of a decade. What has Poland done? Sent 2,000 people to guard some buildings in Baghdad and Basra?

Poland's army is not a fighting army, and it has not the slightest clue of where to even begin integrating the long shopping list of supplies and how to use it. So if you think watching Russians make war is funny, then watching Poland will be like a visit to the circus.

Food / How is this herring product typically served? [74]

@Miloslaw

By my standards even you do not qualify as a Pole. Just like I don't count Russians born in the states as Russians - just plastic Russians. When they approach me, and begin speaking in Russian - I always ask for them to switch to English because my ears cannot withstand the rape. They have not the slightest clue of what it means to be Russian, beyond a caricature version of toughness and machismo imposed on them by their brainless American friends.

Please stick to the topic

Life / In need of good Polish jokes about Polish culture, people, etc [237]


I was hopeful someone would underline this moment.

Kurwa Union could easily supplant the Visegrad Group as the new locus of regional integration.

Also, special for you Kania - a chart I found very useful:

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Life / In need of good Polish jokes about Polish culture, people, etc [237]

Fool. Bobko is never in a bad mood.

Today's batch: The Witcher, Jesus and the Pirates of the Caribbean, and Polish language (again).

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News / EU, Germany, Euros and Poland. [54]

@Miloslaw

Oh really? Tell me now, good sir, how Britain is not English. No flights of fancy please, no historical révérences, but from your heart. Please?

I think it's you that just shot himself in the foot, if one were to think 3-4 steps ahead in the discourse.

News / EU, Germany, Euros and Poland. [54]

@Miloslaw

Yes because the English covered themselves so well with a few million Welsh, Irish, and Scots here and there. In roughly the same proportion that Russia is Russian, Britain is English.

Such a pedantic ass you are.

Life / In need of good Polish jokes about Polish culture, people, etc [237]


Why do you even talk to me, if you said you would spit in my face if you met me?

Relationships - seems like a strange topic to discuss with a Nazi officer before he shoots you in the head. No?

In any case, your whole post is meaningless. I don't need photo/video evidence, but at least tell me an anecdote or expound on your own views.

You bore me.

Life / In need of good Polish jokes about Polish culture, people, etc [237]

Another batch of Russian-aggregated Polish memes.

In this series: weird dreams of Poles about Stalin, problems in the labor market, and loaning money to friends.

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Life / In need of good Polish jokes about Polish culture, people, etc [237]


So you are agreeing with me, that women do not respect a man that "lives his life for his love"?


Uhhmmmm.... Yes? I know this is not possible with your race, but between us men this is the preferred mode of communication. It can even result in a physical confrontation, but within 24-48 hrs there would be a return to the status quo. Not, one month of passive aggressive stares, and a concentration camp-style atmosphere in the apartment.


Not really, I deal with my own sh!t, and try to do everything not to burden other people with it. Woman-folk, on the other hand, very much enjoy when somebody drops from a helicopter and solves all their outstanding problems. Do not even try to debate this with me.

News / EU, Germany, Euros and Poland. [54]

I don't know why people call Poland the Christ Among Nations. Really, it should be Germany. Russia punished Ukraine for much less, than the type of insults hurled at Germany by Poland on the regular.

Your ten million percent economic growth is a direct derivative of massive German and French infusions of capital, technical know-how, legal experience, and their opening up of their labor markets for your citizens.

How you can turn around and ask them for reparations, or call them Nazis is truly stupendous from my Russian point of view. On the other hand, so far your plan seems to work, and the pussified Germans just swallow everything. So maybe you Poles understand Germans better than we do.

Life / In need of good Polish jokes about Polish culture, people, etc [237]


Too much love, and a woman will lose all respect for you. Women have a similar mentality to cops. Cops don't respect a perp that just pulls over and stops. Cops live for the chase.

My advice - be the best, coolest, most interesting Kashub you can be. The kind that men, and children enjoy being around. Then you may be surprised to discover women in your orbit as well.

Lenka is right about one aspect, in which women are like human beings. They want to feel/know that the person they are with is worth their affection.

Life / In need of good Polish jokes about Polish culture, people, etc [237]


Kashub - be careful - this is most dangerous misinformation. Woman's brain is tilted at 26 degree angle from normal axis, compared to man brain. Woman is not your friend.

Treat a woman as you would a Russian.

Life / In need of good Polish jokes about Polish culture, people, etc [237]

More Polish memes, from Russian Twitter account «Польские Мемы»:

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Law / Lawyer - Inheritance [11]

@Lorena12

Lenka is known to be very kind, and we generally do not address her in this fashion. Please be kind to use different language in the future.

P.S. - She wanted a more "concrete" definition of your problem.