Bobko
5 Apr 2023
News / Should Poland pay for gas in rubles? [179]
Yea, Poland should pay for gas in rubles.
Thank you,
Bobko
Yea, Poland should pay for gas in rubles.
Thank you,
Bobko
Bobko
5 Apr 2023
Life / Which areas of Poland have the most conservative young women (under 22)? [49]
In America you would be classified as a liberal. In Russia, even a little further to the left of whatever Americans rated you at (remember, Zhirinovsky's party was called the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia).
Everything in life is relative.
I am conservative
In America you would be classified as a liberal. In Russia, even a little further to the left of whatever Americans rated you at (remember, Zhirinovsky's party was called the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia).
Everything in life is relative.
Bobko
5 Apr 2023
Study / Various education and school issues in Poland. Opinions, stories, controversies. [976]
Ukraine has a school system designed for 50M people, but there were only around 37-39M people living there before the war. Very few of them young, because of the demographic collapse of the 1980s and 1990s. At the same time, the government is loathe to shut down schools and fire teachers (who's gonna vote then?). Despite hundreds of schools being shut down, there are still many thousands open with quite a small number of students.
Same thing with universities. Ukraine has enough universities to educate all of Europe. The overwhelming majority are just diploma mills.
- crowded classes
Ukraine has a school system designed for 50M people, but there were only around 37-39M people living there before the war. Very few of them young, because of the demographic collapse of the 1980s and 1990s. At the same time, the government is loathe to shut down schools and fire teachers (who's gonna vote then?). Despite hundreds of schools being shut down, there are still many thousands open with quite a small number of students.
Same thing with universities. Ukraine has enough universities to educate all of Europe. The overwhelming majority are just diploma mills.
Bobko
5 Apr 2023
Law / I need advice on Polish courts. Divorce case. [5]
@Lagboy
Sounds like the judge is an idiot. Perhaps in his experience, non-resident fathers don't bother contesting these things.
@Lagboy
Sounds like the judge is an idiot. Perhaps in his experience, non-resident fathers don't bother contesting these things.
Bobko
5 Apr 2023
Law / I need advice on Polish courts. Divorce case. [5]
I know not a single thing about Polish law, but I do know that in most jurisdictions inadequate legal representation is a solid reason for appeal. If you have a record of your correspondence with the attorney, showing that he failed in his duty of informing you of the correct court date, then you should have good grounds for an appeal.
Even though Poland is only slightly less corrupt than Russia, I seriously doubt there occurred a collusion on three levels to screw you.
I know not a single thing about Polish law, but I do know that in most jurisdictions inadequate legal representation is a solid reason for appeal. If you have a record of your correspondence with the attorney, showing that he failed in his duty of informing you of the correct court date, then you should have good grounds for an appeal.
Even though Poland is only slightly less corrupt than Russia, I seriously doubt there occurred a collusion on three levels to screw you.
Bobko
4 Apr 2023
Life / Why Do You Love Poland? [907]
It is time to reveal what brought Bobko to PF.
In the end, it is the most banal factor... There is a film which was incredibly popular in the Soviet Union, and remains popular in all the CIS states. The film is called "Irony of Fate" - it is a comedy film, that is shown on television every year around New Years. Every Russian-speaking person has seen this movie at least 10-15 times in their life. It's about a man that gets drunk with his friends, and ends up taking a flight to St. Petersburg, instead of staying in Moscow, and then enters someone's apartment with his set of keys. Since all apartments in the USSR were of similar layout, he doesn't immediately realize his mistake, and hilarity ensues.
The female lead was played by a Polish actress - Barbara Brylska. A most beautiful woman! In my mind a Raquel Welch or Jane Fonda could not hold a candle to that woman. Watching her on the screen was the first time I probably felt an urge to go and learn Polish.
Also, as young kid in the 1990s, we were getting a lot of Polish action movies in Russia. The best ones had this guy named Boguslaw Linda in them. He was no Sylvester Stallone or Dolph Lundgren, but he was a Slav - so it was quite unusual, and interesting.
Finally, there was a children's tv series called "Muminy", or "The Mumins" which was really amazing.
It is time to reveal what brought Bobko to PF.
In the end, it is the most banal factor... There is a film which was incredibly popular in the Soviet Union, and remains popular in all the CIS states. The film is called "Irony of Fate" - it is a comedy film, that is shown on television every year around New Years. Every Russian-speaking person has seen this movie at least 10-15 times in their life. It's about a man that gets drunk with his friends, and ends up taking a flight to St. Petersburg, instead of staying in Moscow, and then enters someone's apartment with his set of keys. Since all apartments in the USSR were of similar layout, he doesn't immediately realize his mistake, and hilarity ensues.
The female lead was played by a Polish actress - Barbara Brylska. A most beautiful woman! In my mind a Raquel Welch or Jane Fonda could not hold a candle to that woman. Watching her on the screen was the first time I probably felt an urge to go and learn Polish.
Also, as young kid in the 1990s, we were getting a lot of Polish action movies in Russia. The best ones had this guy named Boguslaw Linda in them. He was no Sylvester Stallone or Dolph Lundgren, but he was a Slav - so it was quite unusual, and interesting.
Finally, there was a children's tv series called "Muminy", or "The Mumins" which was really amazing.
BarbaraBrylska.jpg
Bobko
4 Apr 2023
Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [382]
I don't know, I'd like to hear it from a Pole. It could be Macedon, it could be Epirus, Thebes, or Corinth, or something farther out like the Illyrians or Thracians.
tell us your amasing secret about Poland`s analogue
I don't know, I'd like to hear it from a Pole. It could be Macedon, it could be Epirus, Thebes, or Corinth, or something farther out like the Illyrians or Thracians.
Bobko
4 Apr 2023
Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [382]
During the times of the Cold War, it was a popular discussion amongst classicists and foreign policy boffins to discuss the analogies between the standoff preceding the Peloponnesian War, and that existing then between the US and USSR.
In this analogy, the United States was Athens - immensely prosperous, a hub for the arts and sciences, controlling a large network of alliances, and relying on its powerful fleet to project power far afield. The Soviet Union was Sparta - totalitarian, backwards, and utterly militaristic (relying on brute land power to project influence).
We know that in the end Sparta defeated Athens, but only for both of them to later recede into history as mere bit players during the rise of the Roman Empire.
And what were the Romans known for? They weren't as creative or culturally influential as the Greeks, but they knew a few things. One of those things was an agnostic approach to importing foreign innovations, if they proved useful to the Roman state. Remind you of anyone?
What would Poland's analogue be, in this classical hypothetical?
During the times of the Cold War, it was a popular discussion amongst classicists and foreign policy boffins to discuss the analogies between the standoff preceding the Peloponnesian War, and that existing then between the US and USSR.
In this analogy, the United States was Athens - immensely prosperous, a hub for the arts and sciences, controlling a large network of alliances, and relying on its powerful fleet to project power far afield. The Soviet Union was Sparta - totalitarian, backwards, and utterly militaristic (relying on brute land power to project influence).
We know that in the end Sparta defeated Athens, but only for both of them to later recede into history as mere bit players during the rise of the Roman Empire.
And what were the Romans known for? They weren't as creative or culturally influential as the Greeks, but they knew a few things. One of those things was an agnostic approach to importing foreign innovations, if they proved useful to the Roman state. Remind you of anyone?
What would Poland's analogue be, in this classical hypothetical?
Bobko
4 Apr 2023
Life / Which areas of Poland have the most conservative young women (under 22)? [49]
@Kashub1410
It's a slippery slope.
Some years ago I agreed to be the designated "trash man". I assumed this meant only throwing out the trash, not gathering it. Years later, it's me that goes around the house and consolidates trash, before I am able to further process it.
In another instance, I was designated the official "picker upper" of cups and plates. Just to consolidate them in the sink... nothing else. Imagine my surprise now, when I both consolidate the dishes and also load them into the dishwasher.
Once again, I was invited, on occasion, to assist in putting on the bedsheets because it was "difficult to pick up the heavy mattress for tucking the sheets in." Now I do it all myself. No help whatsoever.
As an absolutely cuckolded and broken man, let me say that one should be very careful when entering into any labor-sharing agreement with a woman.
I never vacuum, or mop the floors, or do any dusting, but it's because I have become very paranoid about any such requests.
@Kashub1410
It's a slippery slope.
Some years ago I agreed to be the designated "trash man". I assumed this meant only throwing out the trash, not gathering it. Years later, it's me that goes around the house and consolidates trash, before I am able to further process it.
In another instance, I was designated the official "picker upper" of cups and plates. Just to consolidate them in the sink... nothing else. Imagine my surprise now, when I both consolidate the dishes and also load them into the dishwasher.
Once again, I was invited, on occasion, to assist in putting on the bedsheets because it was "difficult to pick up the heavy mattress for tucking the sheets in." Now I do it all myself. No help whatsoever.
As an absolutely cuckolded and broken man, let me say that one should be very careful when entering into any labor-sharing agreement with a woman.
I never vacuum, or mop the floors, or do any dusting, but it's because I have become very paranoid about any such requests.
Bobko
3 Apr 2023
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]
Maybe through this experience we will come back to haunt you later, with a greater vengeance. If the Mongol yoke is any precedent, then living under the Chinese will also make us unique among the "white" races.
In the question of vengeance against the West, there is no price that is too great to pay. Even becoming Chinese vassals.
a vassal state of China.
Maybe through this experience we will come back to haunt you later, with a greater vengeance. If the Mongol yoke is any precedent, then living under the Chinese will also make us unique among the "white" races.
In the question of vengeance against the West, there is no price that is too great to pay. Even becoming Chinese vassals.
Bobko
3 Apr 2023
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]
A lot of the Russian nobility was Mongol in origin. Most famous of them was probably Simeon Bekbulatovich, who Ivan the Terrible placed on the throne instead of himself, for a brief period of time (as a cruel joke). Then there is the Yusupov family, who's descendant Felix Yusupov murdered Rasputin. Also, you have the Naryshkins, descended from Crimean Tatar lords. Many, many families... Akhmatovs, Mamayevs, Chingisovy (literal Genghisids), Urusovy, Kantemirovy, etc. You would never know they were asiatic in origin, because today they all look very European indeed through marriages with all of Europe's noble houses.
Typically Mongol princes were made Russian princes after being conquered, and their descendants enjoyed noble status. So Russia is not copy-catting the Mongol Empire, but is in part constituted by the people who were its architects. If you look at a map of the Mongol Empire, and where most of it ended up, then you will see a large percentage of what was the Golden Horde and the Great Horde are still under Russian control. Russia would not have the size it has, and its history would be totally different if we did not have the Mongols play a role in our development.
Photo of Prince Felix Yusupov (a blue-eyed Mongol):
Why copy-cat the mongols too much?
A lot of the Russian nobility was Mongol in origin. Most famous of them was probably Simeon Bekbulatovich, who Ivan the Terrible placed on the throne instead of himself, for a brief period of time (as a cruel joke). Then there is the Yusupov family, who's descendant Felix Yusupov murdered Rasputin. Also, you have the Naryshkins, descended from Crimean Tatar lords. Many, many families... Akhmatovs, Mamayevs, Chingisovy (literal Genghisids), Urusovy, Kantemirovy, etc. You would never know they were asiatic in origin, because today they all look very European indeed through marriages with all of Europe's noble houses.
Typically Mongol princes were made Russian princes after being conquered, and their descendants enjoyed noble status. So Russia is not copy-catting the Mongol Empire, but is in part constituted by the people who were its architects. If you look at a map of the Mongol Empire, and where most of it ended up, then you will see a large percentage of what was the Golden Horde and the Great Horde are still under Russian control. Russia would not have the size it has, and its history would be totally different if we did not have the Mongols play a role in our development.
Photo of Prince Felix Yusupov (a blue-eyed Mongol):
prince_felix_yusupov.jpg
Bobko
2 Apr 2023
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]
I agree.
Yes, through your helpful actions.
P.S. As soon as we become prosperous and civilized enough we should attack Poland.
With its massive resources Russia could be a civilized, prosperous country that provides its citizens with ample opportunities
I agree.
quickly becomes a third world state that educated people flee in droves.
Yes, through your helpful actions.
P.S. As soon as we become prosperous and civilized enough we should attack Poland.
Bobko
2 Apr 2023
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]
@Korvinus
Historically Russia has always been somewhat lawless. Instead of courts, most disputes were resolved by the commune, based on shared understandings. Not to be confused with the "understandings" of Thieves-in-Law, but ancient Russian "understandings" of justice. The official codex of laws was often viewed with derision.
A popular saying in 19th century Russia was: «Строгость российских законов смягчается необязательностью их исполнения». Translation: "The draconian nature of Russian law is tempered by its rare enforcement."
This attitude towards law carried through into the Soviet era.
Things changed with the coming of Putin and Medvedev, both lawyers by training (in Medvedev's case, he is a professor of law). These two fellows assign huge importance to laws. This is why Putin engaged in his absurd little switcheroo with Medvedev, instead of just ripping up the constitution. This is why Putin justifies his constant grip on power through various legal maneuvers. The laws against foreign agents, laws against homosexual propaganda, laws against foreign adoption, etc, etc.
He (Putin), claims to have learned this from the West. He believes this is the way things are done in your "civilized" world, and this is why he cloaks himself with these legal justifications for every action. He sees how the west bludgeons its opponents with laws, and he tries to keep up. When they then call him a dictator and a butcher, Putin is only half-feigning surprise. I think there is a genuine disconnect between how Putin views his own actions, and how they are interpreted in the West.
On some level, he thinks of himself as the most democratic and law-abiding Russian ruler in history. Western outrage, therefore, is synthetic in his view.
@Korvinus
Historically Russia has always been somewhat lawless. Instead of courts, most disputes were resolved by the commune, based on shared understandings. Not to be confused with the "understandings" of Thieves-in-Law, but ancient Russian "understandings" of justice. The official codex of laws was often viewed with derision.
A popular saying in 19th century Russia was: «Строгость российских законов смягчается необязательностью их исполнения». Translation: "The draconian nature of Russian law is tempered by its rare enforcement."
This attitude towards law carried through into the Soviet era.
Things changed with the coming of Putin and Medvedev, both lawyers by training (in Medvedev's case, he is a professor of law). These two fellows assign huge importance to laws. This is why Putin engaged in his absurd little switcheroo with Medvedev, instead of just ripping up the constitution. This is why Putin justifies his constant grip on power through various legal maneuvers. The laws against foreign agents, laws against homosexual propaganda, laws against foreign adoption, etc, etc.
He (Putin), claims to have learned this from the West. He believes this is the way things are done in your "civilized" world, and this is why he cloaks himself with these legal justifications for every action. He sees how the west bludgeons its opponents with laws, and he tries to keep up. When they then call him a dictator and a butcher, Putin is only half-feigning surprise. I think there is a genuine disconnect between how Putin views his own actions, and how they are interpreted in the West.
On some level, he thinks of himself as the most democratic and law-abiding Russian ruler in history. Western outrage, therefore, is synthetic in his view.
Bobko
2 Apr 2023
Life / In need of good Polish jokes about Polish culture, people, etc [232]
A Polish man walks into a store and tells the clerk:
- "I would like to buy a pound of kiełbasa."
- "You must be Polish," the clerk replied.
The Polish man, begins to get irritated, and responds,
- "Now why would you say something like that? Say I ordered pasta, would you then say I was Italian?"
- "No," said the clerk.
- "If I ordered matzoh ball soup, would you then say I was Jewish?"
- "No," said the clerk.
- "Why, if I came in here and asked for a crossaint, then you would probably say I was French?"
- "No," said the clerk.
- "Then what makes you think I'm Polish?"
- "Because this is a hardware store."
A Polish man walks into a store and tells the clerk:
- "I would like to buy a pound of kiełbasa."
- "You must be Polish," the clerk replied.
The Polish man, begins to get irritated, and responds,
- "Now why would you say something like that? Say I ordered pasta, would you then say I was Italian?"
- "No," said the clerk.
- "If I ordered matzoh ball soup, would you then say I was Jewish?"
- "No," said the clerk.
- "Why, if I came in here and asked for a crossaint, then you would probably say I was French?"
- "No," said the clerk.
- "Then what makes you think I'm Polish?"
- "Because this is a hardware store."
Bobko
30 Mar 2023
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]
I was attempting to be transparent about the state of things and said "hundreds of thousands", not "hundreds" because it is happening at all levels of the system. In schools, in universities, in hospitals, in ministries, in the military and so on. Top down a sort of "party line" is being enforced. If we are talking about cases that land in the courts and result in actual arrests, then yes the number is probably in the hundreds.
However, don't tell me now that this does not happen in the West when it is at war. The reason these things can be "prosecuted" is because the Duma passed laws that ensured the legality of such actions. In the US you can point at things like the PATRIOT Act, that many people remain unhappy with, and some go so far as to say it changed the very fabric of the contract between the people and state in this country.
Under Russian law, what is happening with these people is legal. They have been advised of the illegality of these potential actions, and they persisted. Let them be martyrs for their cause.
If you question how the Duma passed these laws, and therefore the entire democratic principle underpinning Russian government - that is a different question.
They're prosecuting hundreds for saying what they think about the war?
I was attempting to be transparent about the state of things and said "hundreds of thousands", not "hundreds" because it is happening at all levels of the system. In schools, in universities, in hospitals, in ministries, in the military and so on. Top down a sort of "party line" is being enforced. If we are talking about cases that land in the courts and result in actual arrests, then yes the number is probably in the hundreds.
However, don't tell me now that this does not happen in the West when it is at war. The reason these things can be "prosecuted" is because the Duma passed laws that ensured the legality of such actions. In the US you can point at things like the PATRIOT Act, that many people remain unhappy with, and some go so far as to say it changed the very fabric of the contract between the people and state in this country.
Under Russian law, what is happening with these people is legal. They have been advised of the illegality of these potential actions, and they persisted. Let them be martyrs for their cause.
If you question how the Duma passed these laws, and therefore the entire democratic principle underpinning Russian government - that is a different question.
Bobko
30 Mar 2023
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [443]
If we are such insufferable whiners why don't you ignore us? Let us do our stupid sh!t in our own backyard. How much did America import from Ukraine in 2013 or 2021? How many companies did Ukrainians found in America? How many times has Ukraine helped the US in Iraq or Afghanistan (Russia literally supplied arms to the Iraqi and AFG gov on US request, and opened its airspace to US mil plane overflights)? How does anything that happens in Ukraine threaten the United States?
Just ignore us, it's clear we cannot be friends.
what a bunch of insufferable whiners you all are...
If we are such insufferable whiners why don't you ignore us? Let us do our stupid sh!t in our own backyard. How much did America import from Ukraine in 2013 or 2021? How many companies did Ukrainians found in America? How many times has Ukraine helped the US in Iraq or Afghanistan (Russia literally supplied arms to the Iraqi and AFG gov on US request, and opened its airspace to US mil plane overflights)? How does anything that happens in Ukraine threaten the United States?
Just ignore us, it's clear we cannot be friends.
Bobko
30 Mar 2023
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]
It remains the correct explanation. This man's story was plucked out of the hundreds of thousands of such stories precisely because of the unique coincidence of his daughter's paintings. The BBC and Voice of America are not unsophisticated organizations. They're practiced at these things, for more than half a century now.
Even overzealous state security workers eager to please the Kremlin understand how arresting people because of their kid's drawings would draw outrage even amongst docile Russians. This was clearly a miscalculation, and it clearly backfired.
It's not policy, and therefore it doesn't bother me.
that was the explanation of bobko
It remains the correct explanation. This man's story was plucked out of the hundreds of thousands of such stories precisely because of the unique coincidence of his daughter's paintings. The BBC and Voice of America are not unsophisticated organizations. They're practiced at these things, for more than half a century now.
Even overzealous state security workers eager to please the Kremlin understand how arresting people because of their kid's drawings would draw outrage even amongst docile Russians. This was clearly a miscalculation, and it clearly backfired.
It's not policy, and therefore it doesn't bother me.
Bobko
30 Mar 2023
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [443]
If everything Russia does is a bluff, then how should Russia communicate to ensure it is heard? The last couple posts in this thread are pure insanity. It's crazy to me that it's 60+ year-old dudes that are writing this insane sh!t to me. You guys are completely off your rockers.
We are talking about the destruction of everything, literally everything. For what?
When will you understand that Poles don`t care about Russian threats?
If everything Russia does is a bluff, then how should Russia communicate to ensure it is heard? The last couple posts in this thread are pure insanity. It's crazy to me that it's 60+ year-old dudes that are writing this insane sh!t to me. You guys are completely off your rockers.
We are talking about the destruction of everything, literally everything. For what?
Bobko
30 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]
He had a recent change of heart. He wrote about it.
Ok, am I going mad or were you a protestant hoping that the CC will fall soon
He had a recent change of heart. He wrote about it.
Bobko
29 Mar 2023
History / What do Poles owe to Czechs? [83]
Czechs are famous nihilists. Czechs believe nothing. It's enough to read Kafka and Hašek to understand this is a nation of heavy drinkers and jokers.
However, I have never seen so many empty churches as when I was in France. Truly only the very ancient were present.
Czechs are famous nihilists. Czechs believe nothing. It's enough to read Kafka and Hašek to understand this is a nation of heavy drinkers and jokers.
However, I have never seen so many empty churches as when I was in France. Truly only the very ancient were present.
Bobko
29 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]
I realized I had not appreciated the meaning behind your words here... On the one hand - yes - they are all the same to me. Crazies, freaks, etc. However, one cannot compare David Koresh, Jim Jones, or some desert Mormon prophet to the guys that wrote the Bible. I'm a little wary of giving them all the credit, since perhaps it was the centuries of scholars toiling over the texts that gave them the beautiful form they exist in today, but still... what's written in the Bible is some of the most important literature written in the history of our species. Though an atheist, I frequently turn to the Bible. Usually to come up with some especially creative insult for my girlfriend (I read to her from the Psalms on how a woman should behave), but sometimes also to find answers to questions that are vexing me. Most of these are in the realm of HR and conflict mediation, since most actual HR departments and mediators are parasites.
One time, in a bookstore in New Orleans, I found an old critique of the Book of Job which was maybe 750 pages long. That book travelled with me on several vacations before I got through it. It was a moment in my life when I was daily "eating glass" trying to get my business off the ground. Having a more nuanced appreciation for Job was good help in working through the troubles of business.
There are thousands of those knocking around. Including some that wrote books in the Bible. Are they all the same?
I realized I had not appreciated the meaning behind your words here... On the one hand - yes - they are all the same to me. Crazies, freaks, etc. However, one cannot compare David Koresh, Jim Jones, or some desert Mormon prophet to the guys that wrote the Bible. I'm a little wary of giving them all the credit, since perhaps it was the centuries of scholars toiling over the texts that gave them the beautiful form they exist in today, but still... what's written in the Bible is some of the most important literature written in the history of our species. Though an atheist, I frequently turn to the Bible. Usually to come up with some especially creative insult for my girlfriend (I read to her from the Psalms on how a woman should behave), but sometimes also to find answers to questions that are vexing me. Most of these are in the realm of HR and conflict mediation, since most actual HR departments and mediators are parasites.
One time, in a bookstore in New Orleans, I found an old critique of the Book of Job which was maybe 750 pages long. That book travelled with me on several vacations before I got through it. It was a moment in my life when I was daily "eating glass" trying to get my business off the ground. Having a more nuanced appreciation for Job was good help in working through the troubles of business.
Bobko
28 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]
You are asking me - an atheist - this question? If so - then receive your answer: "YES!".
This is an easy one. The answer is because Christianity is a Jewish sect.
Are they all the same?
You are asking me - an atheist - this question? If so - then receive your answer: "YES!".
How do you [explain] fact that statements in the Old testament made distinctly of Jehovah are used in the New Testament for Jesus Christ ?
This is an easy one. The answer is because Christianity is a Jewish sect.
Bobko
28 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]
Only what was assigned to me. The person leading discussions was a skeptic, and he imparted the same POV to us, his students. We read a bit from Swedenborg's "sane" days, and then a bit from his "schizophrenia" days. That's all I know.
How so? In each case we are dealing with a self declared prophet that has a direct line to our Maker?
Have you read many?
Only what was assigned to me. The person leading discussions was a skeptic, and he imparted the same POV to us, his students. We read a bit from Swedenborg's "sane" days, and then a bit from his "schizophrenia" days. That's all I know.
as far from the cultists of Waco and Jonestown as you can get
How so? In each case we are dealing with a self declared prophet that has a direct line to our Maker?
Bobko
28 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]
About what? If he were around today there'd be new Waco Sieges, and Jonestown Mass Suicides. What could a guy that claimed to visit Heaven and Hell, nightly, teach us?
Sometimes I think Swedenborg was right,
About what? If he were around today there'd be new Waco Sieges, and Jonestown Mass Suicides. What could a guy that claimed to visit Heaven and Hell, nightly, teach us?
Bobko
28 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]
In other words, the people that saved Christianity from being yet another Jewish sect that disappeared into the ether of history.
the Pauline believers who were mostly Hellenic Jews like Paul
In other words, the people that saved Christianity from being yet another Jewish sect that disappeared into the ether of history.
Bobko
28 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]
Is it just me, or is JR a lot more coherent than usual?
I've never seen you write this way. Oh well, no matter. I'm no theologian, but I think Jon is right. Peter did not speak Greek, while Paul did.
My understanding of Peter is that he was sort of a dummy. A loyal, pious, naive dummy. Judas and Paul were the smart ones.
Is it just me, or is JR a lot more coherent than usual?
Yes, some claim that the idiomatic Greek of this letter is beyound Peter's competence.
I've never seen you write this way. Oh well, no matter. I'm no theologian, but I think Jon is right. Peter did not speak Greek, while Paul did.
My understanding of Peter is that he was sort of a dummy. A loyal, pious, naive dummy. Judas and Paul were the smart ones.
Bobko
27 Mar 2023
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [443]
I am sorry to keep you waiting! I felt I made a generalist statement which should have encapsulated all of my issues with your line of thinking. I was lazy to provide a point by point response, but now that you have distilled your own position it's an easier task.
So....
1) In general, again, I have no issue with your position as a Polish person. If you recognize that this is an alliance of opportunity with yesterday's butchers - then that is fine in my book.
2) I disagree that Russia is the bigger threat. Old Pawian also seemed to think so. Russia attacking Ukraine has made you paranoid compared to your ten-years-ago self.
3) Old Pawian would understand that Poles protecting Ukraine would make a Russian invasion of Poland MORE likely, rather than less likely.
I am so stubborn to get an answer from you
I am sorry to keep you waiting! I felt I made a generalist statement which should have encapsulated all of my issues with your line of thinking. I was lazy to provide a point by point response, but now that you have distilled your own position it's an easier task.
So....
1) In general, again, I have no issue with your position as a Polish person. If you recognize that this is an alliance of opportunity with yesterday's butchers - then that is fine in my book.
2) I disagree that Russia is the bigger threat. Old Pawian also seemed to think so. Russia attacking Ukraine has made you paranoid compared to your ten-years-ago self.
3) Old Pawian would understand that Poles protecting Ukraine would make a Russian invasion of Poland MORE likely, rather than less likely.
Bobko
27 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]
Ok, I can't do this anymore... I can't defend those a$sholes.
I was trying to stir up trouble, as I do, and thought I found the right thread :)
Fact is, I hate religion as mentioned many times in the past. All religion, except maybe Tengriism. Perhaps the proximate reason is because of how the religious bureaucracy behaves in my country of birth. The Patek Phillipes, S-Klasses, yachts, and palatial mansions is just the peak of the iceberg. You correctly pointed out their servile attitude towards the state. On the one hand, you could think - who can blame them? Peter the Great broke them, and put them under a Synod. Stalin broke them again. Now they're trying to get back on their feet, but they don't know where to start.
Sellers of opium, the lot. Parasites on the body of society. Conmen who exploit the vulnerable.
Orthodoxy is so obviously corrupt, greedy, servile towards the state
Ok, I can't do this anymore... I can't defend those a$sholes.
I was trying to stir up trouble, as I do, and thought I found the right thread :)
Fact is, I hate religion as mentioned many times in the past. All religion, except maybe Tengriism. Perhaps the proximate reason is because of how the religious bureaucracy behaves in my country of birth. The Patek Phillipes, S-Klasses, yachts, and palatial mansions is just the peak of the iceberg. You correctly pointed out their servile attitude towards the state. On the one hand, you could think - who can blame them? Peter the Great broke them, and put them under a Synod. Stalin broke them again. Now they're trying to get back on their feet, but they don't know where to start.
Sellers of opium, the lot. Parasites on the body of society. Conmen who exploit the vulnerable.
Bobko
27 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]
How the hell do you explain things like Vatican 2, then?
The Orthodx Church is THE church because it has barely changed, whereas the Catholics are only a few steps behind their Protestant colleagues in rewriting the book. One of the reasons the Orthodox Church is unchanging is because of its conciliar form of government. Everybody has to agree for a change to be made, and that never happens.
The next reason is because of all the churches listed in the Bible, only one remains in the West and all the others are still Eastern. So if 80% of the churches still follow something, then it must be the other one which is too smart for its own good.
In addition to the above, Tradition anchors the Orthodox faith, passed down by the Fathers, not some Pope.
That's the point, it's not up to humans but, up to God
How the hell do you explain things like Vatican 2, then?
The Orthodx Church is THE church because it has barely changed, whereas the Catholics are only a few steps behind their Protestant colleagues in rewriting the book. One of the reasons the Orthodox Church is unchanging is because of its conciliar form of government. Everybody has to agree for a change to be made, and that never happens.
The next reason is because of all the churches listed in the Bible, only one remains in the West and all the others are still Eastern. So if 80% of the churches still follow something, then it must be the other one which is too smart for its own good.
In addition to the above, Tradition anchors the Orthodox faith, passed down by the Fathers, not some Pope.
Bobko
26 Mar 2023
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [443]
Really? Orcs, Meat, Mongols, Beasts, Slaves - who uses these words?
Back to the topic of the thread please
Really? Orcs, Meat, Mongols, Beasts, Slaves - who uses these words?
Back to the topic of the thread please