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My god...

From my ex and every Ukrainian I ever met I had to listen to how Ukrainian is "the second most melodic language after Italian."

Please do not compare melodicity of the two languages, because you are hurting Ukrainian national ego.

I admit, I sometimes like to listen to it. It's a warm language. Grown men, covered with gunpowder marks and mud, speaking Ukrainian - suddenly sound like teddy bears.

For the same reason it's childish and retarded.

Life / History likes to repeat itself in Poland - Where does this famous saying come from? [19]

@Smietanka

To me it is an obvious statement regarding the tragic history of Poland - in many ways defined by its great pride.

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@Torq

It definitely sounds Ukrainian to us.

I realize this is because Ukrainian borrows so heavily from Polish.

All the шановный, дякуе, мае рацию, размовляти etc type stuff.

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@Smietanka

Yes

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Somewhere, once, I heard that Dutch sounds like a drunk Englishman trying to speak German.

To Russians, Ukrainian sounds like someone is from the farm, and has had much to drink.

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What do you think then?

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Yes, it helps when people speak the Great Russian.

If they use their silly southern or western dialects, like Ukrainian or Belarusian - things become more difficult.

History / Famous Russian Poles [243]


Well, I certainly hope not.

I hope he finally opened the restaurant business he always spoke about, and is simply too busy to write here.

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I have a friend from Saxony, that speaks fluent Russian, and he tells me it is probably easier for a Russian to understand a Belarusian, than it is for a person from Dresden to understand someone from the southern mountains.

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I miss Crow.


Kostya was much more worldly in 2008.

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Some people learn from their mistakes.

Others are doomed to repeat them for eternity.

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You feel as a German felt in the beginning of the 19th century.

However, Germany managed this process - somehow. Bavarian, Swabian, Rhinelander, and Prussian were joined. Mutant Swiss and Austrians managed to skip out - but the majority managed to unite.

Of course, for the world, the results of German unification were a little bit scary. Maybe, the results of Slavic unification will be scary as well - but they'll get over it.

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I thought I was trying to find authors who spoke about the condition of the Russian soul.

For this, I have another book - it's closer to Yerofeev than Tyutchev - and you should enjoy it I would think.

It's «Географ Глобус Пропил», or "The Geographer Drank His Globe Away" by Alexei Ivanov.

It's a book that came out in the early 2000s.

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Returning to your question... I'm not sure I can think of too many books that talk about Russia's special place in the world. I mean - classics. Of course, you could go and read Dugin all day - and it will probably be nothing but Russia's uniqueness - but I suspect it's not very good reading.

Tyutchev came to mind immediately because of his poem about how Russia could not be understood with the mind. But also, because he was a militant pan-Slavist, who along with his buddies fought tooth and nail against Western influences in Russian literature and art. Him, and others like Aksakov and Khomyakov saw Russia as a bulwark against a "rotting Europe", and thought it had a special role in uniting all the Slavic peoples. Read those guys, and you will get megalomania to your heart's content.

However, it's important to note that even then, Russian panslavists were to a great extent receiving their inspiration from Poles. Poland had a diverse panslavist space, which was closely tracked by Russian thinkers. Split between whether or not Russia would act as the unifier, or a resurgent Poland - it was the epicenter of megalomania ;)

On the pro-Russian side you had Stanisław Staszic and August Cieszkowski, and on the pro-Polish side Adam Mickiewicz and Kazimierz Brodziński.

The bottom line, my friend, is that even when Russian megalomania was peaking, it was drawing inspiration from Poland. So you may have us beat there.

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Yes, making jokes about how Russian cosmonauts always f*ck **** up, and then responsible Americans have to fix it.

We seen it.

Armageddon was one movie. I think in that movie they discovered a drunk and crazy Russian cosmonaut roaming around alone in the MIR station. Very funny.

As*holes.

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I'd much rather have the Polish stereotype of a friendly neighborhood alcoholic. Maybe occasional wife beater. At least as depicted in American film.

Some guy named Krasinski is much better received in America than a guy named Krasinskov.

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The movie is a walking meme. Highly recommend.

Even in your examples, Russians are always military, hacking, or being all suspicious.

How about a movie with chill and funny Russians?

HBO's "Barry" has some of that, but I'm not really a fan of the show in general.

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@Paulina

You forgot the best one:

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I will not be original, and will recommend the Russian poet and diplomat Fyodor Ivanovich Tyutchev. The author of these famous lines:

Who would grasp Russia with the mind?
For her no yardstick was created:
Her soul is of a special kind,
By faith alone appreciated.

Though a contemporary of guys like Lermontov and Pushkin, he doesn't seem to be as well known outside the CIS.

He didn't write "books", unfortunately, but he wrote many poems. The years I would recommend are between 1820 and 1840. Before, he is still too young and romantic, and in the period afterwards he doesn't write anymore about the subject at hand. By that point, he's a big deal - and writes about geopolitics - BORING!

All the poems are worth reading, but I might try "Silentium" first.

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Oh my god - spare my ribs!

You are looking at your reflection in the mirror.


And you think I simply hallucinated the facts about the metaphysical nature of Russians? I almost want to say - "Read a book!"

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I think this is spot on.

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Haha, you son of a b*tch. You know I cannot agree with this.

To be Russian, means to be connected to the Big Bang and to experience the Tao of the Universe. A Russian exists on two planes simultaneously, as one Russian rock artist who died tragically said - the spiritual and the war on Earth.


This is my most secret doubt - I suppose. So many years spent in Ukrainian and Polish spaces has not made me hate them more, as I expected, but to gain a certain appreciation.

Sometimes I watch some Ukrainian explain something about the war, and I think - "Man, why don't we have more guys like this on our side." This is a difficult thing to explain to my fellow compatriots....

Let's put the West aside for a second - there is certainly something in Poland and Ukraine that is very interesting.

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Ughhhhhhhh.....

Would my soul suffer if I was reincarnated as some Marcin in Słupsk?

Very difficult to say.

I think living life as a Pole is filled with much anxiety and uncertainty. It's not that life is much better in Russia, but at least the framework exists to deal with it.

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@Novichok

I meant it in the same sense that "Russia needs America".

Life would be boring without America.

I think the same applies for Poles - though I'm not sure.

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Poles need Russians - admit it)

Russians are what Poles could be if they went through the other side of the looking glass.

The fascination works in reverse, of course.

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What is seriously f*cked up is to have a name like Gregoris Bjececikevus in your national ID card.

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Because they are f*ckin Nazis - GODDAMIT.

An average Ukrainian, does not wake up, and immediately masturbate to Stephan Bandera. I understand this.

But their government, that they elected, has and continues to pursue a policy which is in its nature fascist.

We screamed about this to Europe for 25 years. First when it started happening in the Baltics, and then when the disease spread to Ukraine.

Europe ignored it all, and said Russians are being dramatic and hysterical as usual. So then we were forced to take things into our hands.

After all, if Poland is willing to ignore how Lithuanians humiliate their Polish minority, it does not mean Russians have to do the same.

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Mhmm.

Orcs, RuSSists, Horde, Asians, Slaves... never thought I would hear enlightened Europeans use such language, after all the lectures on political correctness that have been received.

But if you say it makes it easier to kill, then it's well worth it.

Btw, if you actually lost to us in that war - from which all these posters originate - maybe you would not have lost 5M+ of your people in WW2. Maybe those Bolsheviks were right?

I mean, you still ended up being ruled by Bolsheviks - so it really seems like a total waste of time whatever you did in the 1920s and 1930s.

We could have made Germany and France red, if you fools didn't stop us at Warsaw.

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I don't think that more than 0.01% of Russians in the 1920s knew what the hell a pentagram was.

The facial features, the golden colored skulls, the necklace - it's all supposed to get Russians riled up for another pogrom - the favorite pastime of White forces.

Say what you want about the Soviet Union, but it was basically Switzerland in comparison to the Russian Empire when it came to Jews. The Whites continued to use the Imperial playbook of how to get peasant Russians agitated - "The Jews are robbing you dry!".

The Reds used: "The rich are robbing you dry." Small distinction, but important.

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You know what is nice in all these posters?

They only say: "Fight the Pans", "Kill the Bolsheviks", etc.

None of them say, go kill Poles, or go kill Russians.

It's a small thing, but still a certain silver lining.

Propagandists are readers of the human soul. That meant they knew there was not much material to work with in engendering hate between the actual peoples, so they turned to other instruments.

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Pretty antisemitic if you ask me. A Red Trotsky, sitting on a pile of skulls - a bit too much on the nose.

Might as well have left the yellow Star of David at that point, like in this poster produced by the White Russians (the caption reads "Peace and Prosperity in Socialist Russia"):

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