Life / What's wrong with Poland? I don't see anything. [121]


The same can happen here. Poland has a very high prison population. And a tax system where the state is always right. The police and courts too aren't great to deal with.

Life / What's wrong with Poland? I don't see anything. [121]


So basically on holiday. Not dealing with the tax office on a cold winter's day, arguing with trashy neighbours about the rubbish they store long term in the hallway or fending off advances from drunken goldiggers. Very different from a short holiday.

I notice that you say you think Polish people are absolutely the best. You would know if you spent a bit more time here that It is a country of extremes. There are indeed some absolutely wonderful people here, but there is also the polar opposite.

Real Estate / Dzialki - allotment gardens regulations in Poland [27]

They have running water, electricity, toilets, etc and people fit showers.

I too think they should stay in the hands of the gardeners. Have you heard of 'guerilla gardening'? Very new to Poland, as far as I know only in Warsaw.

Real Estate / Dzialki - allotment gardens regulations in Poland [27]

You own a special sort of lease. A right to use the plot with restrictions.

Real Estate / Dzialki - allotment gardens regulations in Poland [27]


With difficulty. Leases do come up for sale now and again but usually they're sold very quickly to people who know the vendor. From time to time there's a small ad in the newspaper but they tend to be snapped up right away. Most people who want a dzialka nowadays have to buy a piece of land privately.

Real Estate / Dzialki - allotment gardens regulations in Poland [27]

You might be able to lease more than one plot but the allotment asociations who own the freehold wouldn't allow anyone to do that. There is a very strict size limit to the buildings and year round occupancy isn't allowed (though very occasionally happens)

Remember though that the word dzialka just means plot of land. If it isn't on one of the recreational dzialka schemes people can do whatever they want.

Genealogy / Common surnames in Poland NOT of Polish origin ? [89]

According to the Internet there are over 6000 mostly in Warsaw and £ódź. Including of course a former Premier.

Food / What's more popular in Poland beer or vodka? [59]

Beer is much more popular nowadays here in Poland

Life / Are Polish roads really this bad? [237]

The driving standards here are still shocking, no matter how many new roads are built by the EU. A solution to this problem is hard to find, not that the authorities seem to be doing much to address it.

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]

It's an irrelevance. The culture in Silesia is informed by both Poland and Germany. Some people may strongly identify with one or the other, however Silesian identity is Silesian. Most Silesians are loyal to Poland, however they are still Silesians.

Love / Sexually liberal ----- Is this a fact or myth for Polish women living in Poland? [61]

inflatable Polki?

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


This isn't a degree course, this is an Internet forum. Ironside, for all his good qualities was taking the thread off topic by questioning someone's credentials. By the way, I made no 'claims'. Only statements of facts. That the gentlemen whose book I cited was an eminent historian (perhaps you expect me to link to all his published works and university appointments!) and they the Endecja movement was racist (no doubts there!).

But then again, since you don't really have anything to say in this thread, it isn't any wonder that your thrashing about looking to go off at a tangent.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

Unfortunately labels are more often than not far from meaningless.

Btw, if you want links etc or to learn something about the history of Endecja, try google...

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


Check him out. You might find some of his works interesting.

By the way, the Endecja was also considered racist at the time. The rest of your comments don't really mean anything.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


Now that one's bizarre even by your standards.


However this comment actually manages to top it. Must be a record for PF.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


The are threads aplenty here detailing the racist actions and words of the Endcja movement and reams on the Internet if you care to look.

And simple because you haven't heard of the late Dr Piotrowski doesn't mean he wasn't a very eminent historian.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


Yes it is indeed his opinion. The opinion of a respected Polish academic, based on exhaustive research and eyewitness accounts.

By the way. Your comment about ND, or the openly racist Endecja movement is neither here nor there. But at least one part of your comment is fortunately true - the voters ensured they were in opposition. Having said that. It would be a shame To taint the entire NSZ by the actions of a minority.


Some dreadful parts of the Poraimos happened here.

And if the Jewish community were as underassertive as the Roma in this matter, so much of the Holocaust would have been swept under the table too. As a few here wish it had been.

Travel / Pot in Poland for tourists [285]

It's quite a hot topic here at the moment. Very illegal, but prominent politicians support legalisation. Also, Poland has a lot of countryside and the right summer temperature to grow it.

Genealogy / Typical Polish Eye Color [77]

Visit Scotland or NI and you'll really see it. In Poland you don't often. I must say I've never noticed much in Central Asia or Turkey.

Genealogy / Poland Heraldry and Nobility in names/families [59]

It is certainly beautiful. Were you born in Europe?

Genealogy / Poland Heraldry and Nobility in names/families [59]


It would be unfair to knock such clubs too much I suppose, especially if they have a genuine interest in it, some sort of credentials and especially if they're involved in some kind of community or charity work too. God knows, there are enough spurious counts round Europe.

I suppose that coming from a country where aristocratic titles are regulated by law and bring obligations as well as just something nice on your visiting card makes me very sceptical of some of those things going round in republics. Google Zsa Zsa Gabor's husband for an example of such crap. He's by no means alone.

There is however a very respectable Order of Chivalry in Poland (I won't name it here) which takes the mickey out of all of that with comic ceremonies whilst raising money for disadvantaged kids. JPII was a member. Paradoxically most of its members are among the great and the good but are somehow too classy to use abolished titles if they have them.

Genealogy / Typical Polish Eye Color [77]

Mostly it doesn't. I have very green eyes by the way. Another unusual thing in East Europe is red hair. It unusually suggests Northern European origins.

Genealogy / Poland Heraldry and Nobility in names/families [59]


No. It is a club only. Millions of people lost property during the upheavals of the Twentieth Century. Most don't feel the need for vanity projects. Have you actually been here in Poland?

Genealogy / Poland Heraldry and Nobility in names/families [59]


It isn't a 'birth right'. In countries where titles have been abolished, it is just a historical curiosity. In countries like the UK where titles still exist it isn't a 'birth right' either. It is a privilege and a responsibility. So called 'heritage organisations' are an irrelevance.

Genealogy / Poland Heraldry and Nobility in names/families [59]


Earl. However this is only British and Irish. Elsewhere they use Count. The state of Poland however does not recognise any titles whatsoever.


Yes but only in the UK. Other countries have equivalents (Spain, Belgium, for example) however Poland hasn't for centuries. The Duke of Krakow was an honorific title of the Austrian Emperor. The Russians did something similar during the partition. Old German, Austrian, Russian titles etc are not recognised by their respective governments or any other competent official body except occasionally as a courtesy with no official status.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


It proves your earlier statements were false. Either deliberate lies of just ignorance.


Personally I wouldn't divide them - however you may like to look at the title of the thread you have so prolifically posted in and study carefully some of your comments here and elsewhere.

Spectacular backtracking really. Why not just wring your hands and say "yes, well....".

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


That isn't an answer. Just a weak attempt at obfuscation.
[quote=IronsideI doubt very much that they killed anybody who was a harmless refugee[/quote]
Read Piotrowski, read about Worczyn, read eyewitness accounts from people who have no reason to say anything other than what they saw.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


Interesting. History doesn't fit your 'political' idea, so you try to rubbish it. You wouldn't be the first to try that sort of thing which makes it all the more unfortunate that you still think a 'tactic' like that might work...

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


No. Read Tadeusz Piotrowski on the matter.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


More than a hundred documented incidents relating to Polish partisans, some from the NSZ (the paramilitary wing of the Endecja regime).

Check out the Worczyn massacre, among others.