News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]

Really? No ranting, just an accurate description of Poland's worst ever politician and his creepily obsessed political heirs.

You, however, seem to think someone was "exterminated" and just like some of the nuttier of the PiSuarzy expect "evidence" for some crime which just didn't occur.

By the way, although Poland had everything to gain from the removal of LK, the Polish government didn't. The voters were about to consign him to the dustbin if history as they did his twin. Now the problem is that he died before he could disgrace himself further and is remembered by some in a better light than he deserved.

Plus the loss of some of the countries most able individuals of different political persuasions, most of them not supporters of PiS or similar tendencies.

The government and most of the intelligentsia are perfectly happy to accept the report, so why are the PiSuarzy and the sinister 'defenders of the cross' still hell bent on making even bigger fools of themselves by harping on about evidence for something that never happened?

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]

Yes exactly Lyzko. And the key thing is that in real life in PL you just don't hear people going on about the accident.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]

One issue here is that in PL, it tends to be fringe media like Fronda and Gazeta Polska rather than more respectable publications, perpetuating conspiracy theories and giving space to the lunatic ravings of Macierewicz and the Smolenskists.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]

Hard to know what the Guido Knopp connection is here. He's just a journalist and a heavily criticised one at that. No connection to the accident at Smolensk at all.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]


'Vox', who was "exterminated" here? Precisely no one.

It was an accident and any ranting or conspiracy theorising otherwise by the lunatic fringe of Polish politics and similar intellectually needy characters cannot and will not change that.

Do read posts more carefully and try to understand the language in which they are written before commenting. Your question above makes no sense.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]


Crowie, you've forgotten that Tusk was already the leader. Kaczinski's brother had already been dumped from his role as premier.

Some of the posts on the previous page are from Americans who are trying to compare Poland's system of government with their own. Poland does not have an executive President. The leader of Poland is the Premier. And no need to assassinate a PiSuar Premier because they'd lost the election with little or no possibility of ever regaining power.

LK was a lame duck (no pun intended) president, nearing the end of his term of office who was famous only for making a hash of the job. A politician who will go down in history as Poland's worst with only two famous quotes "Teraz K*rwa My" "Now it's our f*cking turn" (at corruption) and "Spieprzaj Dziadu" F*uck off you old tramp. That and making a fool of himself by turning up at a foreign meeting to which he wasn't invited and had no vote or right to speak. His so-called fourth republic project was already dead and he was no more than an embarrassment and a political joke.

All the harping on about conspiracies by the politically toxic JK and the clown Macierewicz has one positive aspect though - it will keep them forever away from the corridors of power.

Language / What are the hard aspects of Polish according to its learners? - home essay [21]

Yes. I'm B2/C1ish according to the last test and it's the declensions that are the challenge, that and differences in morphology. Some of the discourse markers (im, ów etc used as discrete words) took a bit of doing.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

How would you know Calmit? In any case, if they suffered "no more or less" than any other group, you seem to be condoning suffering wherever it is.

Language / Short Polish<->English translations [1049]

Without 'a' and it's perfect :-)

Work / Proofreading - What is the going rate in Warsaw? [40]


Which is why technical editors on oilfields get 6 figures and translators less than a third of that. I turn down proofreading as a matter of course too, unless it's a special favour.


A special skill too - the EU/UN ones work half an hour at a time then have a 2 hour break - so intense and demanding.

Work / Proofreading - What is the going rate in Warsaw? [40]


Same here, and yes it is hard to sustain. If however you're translating a long and specialised technical document it can be lucrative - especially if you invoice a client directly rather than deal with an agency.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Aw you saying that Jewish people as a group never suffered oppression in Poland and that pogroms, restrictive legislation and institutional racism were all a dream?

Work / Proofreading - What is the going rate in Warsaw? [40]

It's usually charged by length, either per 1500 or 1800 characters with spaces. Some translation companies charge the client with spaces and pay the translator without.I used to translate technical documents (though mostly financial reports) and occasionally proofread things other translators had done. Often that meant retranslating so not always so quick.

Worth mentioning that the market is being squeezed due to too many people chasing translation work, very few of them with native English.

Work / I'm retired teacher, age 69 - I want to teach English in Poland voluntarily, in return for Polish language [22]


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I know a few (and even older) in Warsaw, but all ex-diplomatic service, ex-WSI or retired English teachers.


That's really important - it can be quite competitive in the nicer locations. You'll also probably get a lot of requests (perhaps more than you'd want) for private lessons (experience and ability are highly respected in PL) so really you need only do a couple of lessons at a language school - most of them now don't recruit for full time posts anyway. You'll find IELTS rather rare here (just not marketed as much as, say, Asia) but plenty of FCE preparation.

It might be worth just turning up here first and seeing if the rest falls into place. If it doesn't, it's not too far to go back, if it does, all the better...

Just an idea for the short term, why not try this: angloville.com.

A friend who's a semi-retired language teacher does this. Most of the participants are apparently slightly older than the ones in the picture by the way - a lot of company people. I've heard it's good to do, all 1-1 teaching and you could make some very useful contacts in PL which could lead to something excellent. They don't pay but do put you up in a nice hotel (a great business model for them and one reason I haven't done it myself).

I've sent you a PM

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


That's actually a very good point. There are other groups, fewer in number, who are much the same and the Scots too (some would say the Poles and the English as well) have punched above their numerical weight. Do you think it's a reaction to adversity?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

That's very articulate of you Goof, but we're still waiting to hear about these 'crimes' you alleged the Jews were committing in pre-War Poland and how exzctly you think the Jews (all of them??) "should be punished"..

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Do 'godd' Catholics often advocate 'race laws' I wonder what JP2 would have thought. :-(


You actually posted a link to a government department's own internal diversity monitoring programme - nothing about the pre-War Polish state where you think that "these people should be prosecuted" and should have been forced by law to employ non-Jews...

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Well Goof if in a thread about the community history of Jewish Poles you start to advocate 'race laws' and say the Jews "should be punished" (what, as a group?) you'll get a reaction from people who are less obsessed with nationalism, won't you...

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Again, the opposite of the truth, unless you believe that the majority, with an army, a police force and a government were unfairly treated by a persecuted minority!

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


It isn't a question. However I do believe private companies can employ who they want - you however seem to believe in quotas.

So, to repeat the question: If you favour any 'race laws' that may have existed in pre-War Poland, and believe that people who broke them "should be punished" for employing too many Jews, how would you determine who was a Jew and who was not a Jew, especially if that person didn't have any religious affiliation?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


The question is only whether or not it was legal and how you think your 'race laws' should have been implemented.


Quite. All I see is anti-semitic rhetoric done exceptionally badly.

Off topic, I notice Goof - rather strange, too..

Anyone would think you're trying to dodge the very reasonable question: If you favour any 'race laws' that may have existed in pre-War Poland, and believe that people who broke them "should be punished" for employing too many Jews, how would you determine who was a Jew and who was not a Jew, especially if that person didn't have any religious affiliation?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

So in effect, you're suggesting that you approve of legislation restricting Jews from entering certain jobs. Despite having said there was no real oppression.

How would you determine who was a Jew and who was not a Jew, especially if that person didn't have any religious affiliation?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Goof that link has nothing whatsoever to do with your assertion about:


. Nothing whatsoever. Not relevant to the thread either.


With pleasure and here it is.
You say:


But staggeringly, you also say that restrictive laws against Jewish people were correct.

Interestingly, you give no examples of


but can't cite (despite having been asked) any law that was being broken by the Polish Jews as a whole or suggest (despite having been asked) the means in which they


It seems you are just pulling things from somewhere dark and most probably minging to high heaven.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

So now your comments are even foggier. You seem to believe that companies (both now in the UK and then in the Second Republic) should have been forced to hire people on 'racial' grounds - specifically that Jewish Poles should have been forced to employ Catholic Poles (though you're silent on whether that should have worked both ways).

You really do seem happy about the idea that some people in Poland should be second-class citizens. And also you say that oppression never happened!

Do make your mind up, Goof!

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

"what I beleive is that race laws should be respected" What 'race laws' would that be?


" in the Uk for an example an employer lika ASDA or Tesco is obliged by law to employ a % of whites, blacks, asians etc to not seem racis"

No they aren't! The law merely states that they have to hire people regardless of certain things - the exact opposite of what you're saying. What you are actually saying is that Jewish people should have been obliged to employ non-Jews. Do you believe that catholic Poles should have been obliged to employ Jews or do you just favour a one way thing?


Either you've deliberately misunderstood or have genuine problems with comprehension. Unless of course you think that


was only estalished then and that institutional racism only appeared then and all was hunky dory before. I think that's called an


At least you acknowledge that the government of the Second Republic was racist (after the Marshall's death of course). This rather negates your earlier comment that there was no oppression.

You really do seem to think that Jews should have been somehow citizens of a second class :-(

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


That's a huge assumption.


So is that.

You referred to "crimes committed", however we aren't talking about what you think should be a crime but what was specifically a crime. So far you've failed to give any examples. Also, you say something should be "punished by the law", but don't mention who (a person? a family? a village? a town?) or how they should be "punished". You also seem to think that a member of a group should be forced to employ members of another group. So basically, you're suggesting that Jews should have been second-class citizens...


There was no 'order' - any 'order' was brand new in 1918-20 and nobody alive even had grandparents who remembered anything otherwise.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Now you're extirpating, and there's a name for people who do that. I've read all your posts and no mention of anything listed in the legal code as a 'crime'. Could you point out the criminal acta committed by the Jewish community as a whole that warranted that, as you said [quote-goofy_the_dog]they should be punished[/quote]?


Makes no difference, unless you think Mr Kowalski living at number 5 had more rights to cultural integrity than Mr Kaplan at number 7; that one was a first class citizen and the other wasn't. Do you think that?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Now you're trying victim-blaming for 700 years of oppression.


So precisely what 'crimes' do you think the pre-war Jewish community were committing?

An interesting gem of reasoning here too:


Aside from you (a declared admirer of Dmowski and his vicious gang of Endeks) trying to extirpate someone's religious heritage, do you also think that Poles (whether Catholic, Jewish, Protestant, Muslim or Orthodox) should have "integrated" during the years of partition and intermarried, converting their children to whatever religion predominated in that zabor?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Now you're trying victim-blaming for 700 years of oppression.


So precisely what 'crimes' do you think the pre-war Jewish community were committing?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

And then you were trying to introduce Wolyn as a red herring.

Lets get this straight. One moment you try to talk about:


and a few minutes later come out with:


. so in effect you're saying that there was no oppression of the Jews as well as saying that the oppression of the Jews was right. Which of those conflicting steatements was a lie?