News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Who's infallible? Nobody. Ever. On medical matters however they are a far better authority than clergy or conservative politicians.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Better to listen to the doctors. On medical matters, y'know...

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


So in fact a ban.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Just read the thread, (and the various others) much easier that Groundhog Day.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

That has been discussed ad nauseam in this thread. Interesting though that politicians who are very vocal about a termination being 'murder' are very willing to compromise on that 'murder'.

I wonder what other things they believe to be very serious crimes are in fact things they're willing to compromise on for political expediency...

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Either it's taking human life (of course it isn't) or you compromise, not both.

Actually very damaging rhetoric for the almost invariably muddle-headed right-wing. Scream loudly that it's "murder" and then 'compromise'.

Language / The "end piece" of a loaf of bread in Polish [80]


I like that one too, though the best one I've ever had was made by an elderly lady from Latvia, a priests wife. It was sticky and dripping with honey.

My favourite Polish cake is Wuzetka, a cake with an interesting Warsaw history.

Language / The "end piece" of a loaf of bread in Polish [80]


Exactly the same in English, a different word. There are more categories though in English.


Again the same; there are different words.

Language / The "end piece" of a loaf of bread in Polish [80]


There's tart, cake, gateau.


Here, you just hear ciasto which doesn't really tell you very much. Don't even get onto pancakes, pikelets and blintzes.


On behalf of the entire Queen's realm I apologise for that awful tv show. Basically they found the most crass individuals possible and in fact dinner parties fell out of fashion because of it in the same way that clothing used to go out of fashion when people's servants started wearing it.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


It's far from natural to impose theocratic legislation, which as we have seen clearly and without doubt are not wanted here.


Like the recent PIS proposal...

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Common sense has prevailed and PIS has been wrongfooted. Nevertheless it would be naive to assume they don't have further religious-based plans up their sleeves that could hurt women, to be rolled out if their support level increases or they think they can get away with it. It's essential not to be complacent, something that can easily happen.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


So you actually admit you were wrong, and the proposition you were supporting a few days ago was not "common sense".

As a commentator said in the media today, Women 1 : 0 PIS

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]


Wrong again, Po. The PRL (which you chose to move to) was a sovereign state, recognised by both my country and yours as well as by the UN. Try harder.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Now that post, although far from your nastiest and most bitter (at least you aren't calling women 'sluts' or special children 'morons' this time) is actually pretty vile and shows your anti-choice bile for what it is.

And very sad that you are suggesting it is appropriate to stigmatise so-called illegitimacy...

Worth mentioning that the CzarnyProtest was of course a success and the PIS "bad change" regime have today totally backed down from their idiotic attempts to change the existing law.

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]


Do tell...

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]



Something of a technique by extremists in this thread and mirrored in Poland generally. Basically concrete proof is given and then they deny it's there hoping people won't read the whole thread and actually see the proof.

As we can see by PIS' plummeting ratings, most people aren't actually that stupid

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


The number actually fell hugely after the introduction of a much more detailed sex education programme.


Remember that a comparison only really works if it's like for like. In Poland where almost 40% of the Population are engaged to some degree in agriculture and in the U.K. where the figure is around 1% we would need, in order to discuss teenage pregnancies, different sets of figures for close rural communities and larger urban groups. We'd also have to factor in the much stronger support structures especially financial, educational and housing in the U.K. Plus the lack of stigma concerning illegitimacy in the U.K. contrasted with that in Poland.


Looks like your simple attempt at a reply doesn't work...

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Yes, that's spot on. I was thinking the other day that the more egregious the repression, the bigger the backlash that follows - something the JK/Macierewicz/Solidarity generation ought to be very aware of.

Also a very bad idea to harass Doctors; the proposed bad change would potentially force some of them to make a choice between breaking their Doctors' Oath or breaking one of Jaro's 'laws'. Should that happen and should a prediction of the Doctor follow, the backlash within the medical profession would be a sight to see. It isnt that long ago that the Nurses' strike and their encampment on al. Ujazdowskie brought world-wide negative publicity as well as a groundswell of sympathy and support to the Nurses.

Some of their politicians are planning even more absurd propositions, particularly one about who can cohabit with whom. That would almost certainly lead not only to a cessation of EU infrastructure funding but also possible sanctions.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Don't be silly. It's barely begun. As opposed to the "bad change government" who are plummeting in the polls. With luck (and a bit of hard work on the part of patriotic, politically moderate Poles) it could be a re-run of their last aborted attempt at government.

The criticism over this bungled anti-woman political proposition is a nail in their coffin. Should JK mysteriously become premier, he and Duda can start to plan their retirement.

Life / Is a prescription needed to get morning after pills in Poland? [35]

Doctors too, if they allow a patient to die because they prefer to save a foetus.

These people are culpable. I'd say it's on their conscience, however I doubt that JK and his cohorts have them.

Life / Is a prescription needed to get morning after pills in Poland? [35]


It is indeed, so let's hope any politician who votes for that bill will be prosecuted for the murder of any women who die through pre-eclampsia or backstreet terminations. Eh.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


This is exactly what some of them want, rejoicing in human suffering, 'offering it up' etc.


Not 'who', but what. Facts, not religious make-believe.


healthcommunities.com/teen-pregnancy/children/sex-education.shtm


mic.com/articles/98886/the-states-with-the-highest-teenage-birth-rates-have-one-thing-in-common#.JLDTtgfiJ


ncb.org.uk/news-opinion/news-highlights/sex-education-forum-statement-teenage-pregnancy-statistics

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


True. Though the repellant individual in the clip below opened his mouth about sex, something he evidently knows next to nothing about. For those who don't read Polish, this is a very well known clergyman, not one with a great reputation, saying on TV that rapes rarely cause pregnancy because the woman is "stressed". He's somehow attempting to justify making it a crime for a rape victim to terminate a pregnancy.

natemat.pl/191437,stres-jest-tak-silny-ze-do-zaplodnienia-dochodzi-rzadziej-abp-hoser-mowi-co-wie-o-ciazach-z-gwaltu

Meanwhile, the women's general strike yesterday went very well, thousands turned out in Warsaw and other cities, a sea of black as far as you could see. The response was actually heartwarming.

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]


Well, Po, he's certainly been subjected to a wrongful jail term as a prisoner of conscience, during a period when Jaroslaw Kaczynski was living a privileged life among the Nomenklatura...

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Some of them would like to do that. It just means more money for German and Czech pharmacies.

One very positive thing is that today's general strike by women and the demonstrations all round Poland were a resounding success.


No such thing

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]


Yes


There you go again...

And this former jailed dissident stilll garners more respect than JK ever will.

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]


On the basis of his weak record, it is stretching things to say he is a person of good will, and stretching it even more to say he is anything other than a marionette for the ghastly Jaroslaw Kaczynski and his friend Macierewicz who are far from being people of good will.

Life / Is a prescription needed to get morning after pills in Poland? [35]

It just means that, in a country that borders 6 others, women who are able to will just source the tablets elsewhere. Apart from those who are unable; they will instead suffer.

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

Indeed, Kaczynski boasted about that in front of a large audience.

Love / Are there any swingers club in Poland? [52]

Very relevant indeed to the thread