Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

Mark, you are a basket case. You lie, every time you are caught out. I have made 327 posts over a period of two and a half years, so where are the "thousands" of posts that you accuse me of writing?. Just look at the way you have tried to change "Milky's" (yourself) writing style and "accent", do you really think that Irish people say "Yee", perhaps you are thinking of Quakers in the old American films. Why has "Milky" never talked like that before?

If you have the bottle Mark, PM me your address and I will come and have a word in your eye.
Your just a gutless spammer with Schizophrenic tendencies.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]


"buddy"?.........I can assure you that I choose my friends carefully and you would never be in that catagory. Friends respect each other. The only thing you respect Mark are your own, self opinionated views which you never back up with facts. As WB says (which was also deleted by admin) "he finds your rantings amusing". Personally, I never find lies and misleading information "amusing", we get enough of that from our governments and banks. People who write in with questions deserve a straight answer and useful advice. They do not need you impersonating 50 different people, slagging down everything to do with property.

You call me a developer. OK, as such, I have a good knowlege of the Real Estate market, also as a builder, I know the costs of land, materials and labour. Apart from the fact that you cannot afford property in Krakow, what qualifies you to advise on any of these topics?. You have been caught out too many times, spamming different forums and now you say its a "cut and paste" job carried out by one of your alias's. Do you think the people on this forum are as stupid as you?

Get a life Mark, or, at least study the subject that you wish to denigrate.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

milky
Apr 30, 10, 12:15 / #201
A mate of mine who is a journalist for a local newspaper in the lovely land of saints and scholars told me that sponsors for the paper would pull out if they printed the facts about the property bubble bursting. So they all went along with the scam and only printed lies to maintain the illusion. Now that it is burst and splattered all over the land they are all printing story's about how fcuked up everything is and how nobody saw it coming. The bubble in Poland is a lot worse than anything here but there are some who wouldn't notice a bubble even if their dumb ass was submerged in a bubble-bath.

Krakow Post Forum: posted by polsky on May.04.2010

A mate of mine who is a journalist for a local newspaper in the lovely land of saints and scholars told me that sponsors for the paper would pull out if they printed the facts about the property bubble bursting. So they all went along with the scam and only printed lies to maintain the illusion. Now that it is burst and splattered all over the land they are all printing story's about how fcuked up everything is and how nobody saw it coming. The bubble in Poland is a lot worse than anything

here but there are some who wouldn't notice a bubble even if their dumb ass was submerged in a bubble-bath.

How about the dirty tricks Mark?.........and the only twat is you. You need a good memory if you are going to tell lies, Mr Warsawski....lol

Sorry admin but I am allowed to answer when people like this attack my integrity and reputation.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

Thank you WB. At least you you know something about property. Have you noticed that Mark Biernat is back again, he has dropped his building cost down to 500 PLN m2 now, what a pratt.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

milky

You listen to your friend "Polsky", don't buy anything. Live in a tent, a cave, a forest or on the beach. Nobody cares. Better still, you can surely afford 500 PLN a m2, build you fekin own and get that idiot Polsky (M.Biernat) to move in with you.

I will pass your advice on to the couple that bought one of my flats over the weekend, we sign the contract on the 11th May. I advised them that they ought to wait for the prices to drop 50% but for some strange reason, they insist on buying now, still, it takes all sorts.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

And you still fail to provide any links or proof of what you say.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]


Did you really understand what majatek had posted? He is not talking about "normal housing" to live in, he is referring to what would be regarded as palaces and mansions with a lot of land, not, the type of properties that you and milky seem to think are overpriced, you are talking about a home for yourselves to bring up a family, he is talking about pure investment. Any price will be "too much" for him as he wants to maximise his profits when he sells on. Are you and milky looking to buy a house or apartment with sitting tenants?

majatek

"Every pile of rubble is now described as having the potential to become a hotel, sauna, health spa etc - and what appears to be a favourite, that you could breed race horses there! And, of course, these 'wonderful business opportunities' (piles of rubble) have prices to match - anything up to eight million zloty!!!!"

"And then there are the sitting tenants!"

"The fact that you are the new OWNER of the 'big house' will class you as the latest in a long line of capitalist oppressors!"

"The historic buildings konservator will also see you as a rich uncle."

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

Milky, who are you calling a "straw man" you dumb mick. What do you know about Poland?, do you live here? Again, I ask you to provide links/facts that prices will crash 50% in Poland. You asked a "complex question", but, you did not get the answer you wanted to hear. You are the one who believes what the doom mongers like polsky predicted. You were on these threads last year, are you angry because it still has not happened?

Below is information provided by the Nationwide Building society, who, to the best of my knowledge do not print newspapers.


The prices are not what people are asking. They are taken from the records of HMCR stamp duty and land registry information on property sold (not being sold).

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

milkyThreads: -
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Mar 14, 10, 21:03 / #6


Well, you have waited a year now, has the price of property dropped 50%?. Have you bought a property in Poland?. Nobody is being dilusional, its just that we have not seen the crash that you have. Perhaps you can provide some facts to back up your statements.


How can these companies lose money?, they have a monopoly and a captive consumer market.
If you do not pay their asking price, where else can you go?

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

Exactly the same has happened in the UK, water, electricity, gas and even waste collection is all owned by foreign companies. Prices for the above utilities have increased by some 50% over the past 4 years and the government has no control over what is charged, is is not just Poland that is suffering. You have to question any government that would sell off a nations assets that are needed for the basic survival of its people.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]


Where did I imply that the British would be coming to buy properties in Poland?. I only posted a report from the Warsaw Business Journal and stated that prices in the UK were on the way up. Whether this will continue or there is going to be another correction in prices, I would not care to guess. I personally don't give a s**t who buys the properties. Just stating the facts as they are reported.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]


Warsaw Business Journal

Rebuilding demand

26th April 2010
Banks are increasingly active in home lending, but continuing restrictions on project loans mean that developers are having trouble keeping up with demand

Max 100 words + URL

If you read the above artical and recall my posts, warning that the banks witholding funds from developers would cause a shortage, which, will push prices back up. It is not in the Banks interest to have mortgages with negative equity, thus they and the developers will control the prices.

I fully expect to hear replies that developers will still be building and selling properties for 50% of the cost of building them, this has not happened yet. Perhaps Milky can explain to you all why property prices in the UK have risen by 10% over the past year compared to 2007 prices. (1.2% in the past month) Perhaps this means the the British property sellers have the same attitude as the Polish sellers?

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

No offence taken Convex. I was a member of the Federation of Master Builders for over 30 years.
I know all about "cowboy builders".

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]


There are builders and then there are builders. The foundations I put in for my two story apartments are much better than the standard used in the UK. There, they use a "trench fill" with a 600mm wide by 225mm depth of concrete. I am happy to give a 10 year guarantee on the structure, no problem.

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Real Estate / Apartments too expensive for Poles living in Poland [54]


Then get ready for a lot more government handouts!!!!
The is going to be a new EU law/regulation that will force EU countries with substandard housing to build more social housing, especially in rural areas that have been ignored in the past.

Follow the link below. I personally think that this is a good idea.

europarl.europa.eu/oeil/FindByProcnum.do?lang=en&procnum=CO D/2009/0105

I hate the EU with a vengance, but this is one of the better policies and it should be implemented as quickly as possible.
As SeanBM states, there is plenty of land within a 30 min drive from the centre of the cities and with the new infastructure being built, it should be possible to buy a new apartment or house from around 2,500-3,000 PLN m2


Nothing wrong with this if you have enough space, or, perhaps as the parents get older, they should put them in a nursing home for £3,000.00. a month, just like the UK, and if they have no money or assets that the government can make them sell, they would still end up in a home at the taxpayers expense.

What is so wrong about looking after the people who gave you life and kept you until you reached adulthood. Thats one of the reasons I love the Polish people so much, the respect that they give to their elders. The family is everything, not a burden to bear.


Exactly as I have said in previous posts. Built during communist times to a very poor standard.
What happens when these "concrete blocks" have to be replaced?
I do not have the answer to these problems, but, I know that "wishing" does not solve them.

Real Estate / Apartments too expensive for Poles living in Poland [54]

I agree, and, if you don't meet this criteria, you sleep on the street or rent. There must be millions of Poles sleeping rough then?. There arn't?, why?

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If you are going to see the castle then you will need an auto.

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An ex girlfriend did her studies there to become a doctor. She quite liked it there and still returns to the area for her holidays.

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Hey bimber94,
I had a construction company in the UK from 1973 - 2005, have worked on every type of project going,(large and small), building luxury apartments, house building, refurbishment of listed buildings, chemical factories, clean rooms etc, etc...even reinforcing river banks to prevent erosian and was a member of the Federation of Master builders for 30 years. Decided to do something in Poland. Took my references, certificates, complete photo records of all the projects I had carried out over the years and was turned down for a development loan by a Polish Bank as they said I "did not have enough experience"? Ah well!!!!, perhaps in another 10-15 years they may change their minds.....lol, probably around the same time as they start to build the new motorways here.

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I am currently constructing, PM me for information.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

I find it strange that nothing has been said about the actual cost of construction?....I am sure that many on here would love to pay 2000 PLN per m2 for a new apartment and are waiting for it to drop down to this level. It will not happen. The cost of the land, the cost of the build and the developers profit will never go down to below what is reasonable. Otherwise, developing would be a waste of time. The one thing I am suprised at in the current financial situation is that the Polish government which was partly elected on the promise of providing 3 million new apartments over the next 4 years, has done sod all to help the construction industry. At the very least, I would have thought that the abolition of VAT on new builds would have helped replace the defective housing stock, helped the envoirment by making new properties more energy efficient and created additional employment for the people who want to return from the UK and Ireland.

Or, do we really want to drive along hundreds of kilometers of new roads in 2012, looking at 40 year old houses that are still unfinished.

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Simple, he puts the business in your name but keeps 51% of the shares. If you are getting married, you should be able to trust each other anyway.

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Your partner has no problems. If you wish to have your name on the deeds, make sure that the land has been signed off from the agrigcultural agency (small cost and takes approx. 30 days) even if it has permission for a residential dwelling.

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Every day when I take my dog for a walk around the lakes and the forest, I look at the trees, smell the fresh air, gaze at the birds flying and swimming on the lake and I think to myself, I wonder what the Turks are doing at this moment in time........duh

Life / Polish mentality towards Pakistan [108]

Ahh!!! I see!!!.......So it's the fault of the Spanish and the British for allowing these militant Pakistanis into their country!!!

This now makes sense. Thank God I live in Poland, a country that has not allowed this.

Oooops!!!!..Jabwaw!!!...Where did you say you lived?

Life / Polish mentality towards Pakistan [108]

Thank you for taking the time to explain. As you point out, the Indian sub-ccontinent was a part of the British Empire, thus I see the link for some discontent for past actions. I still fail to see what the people of Catalunya have done to deserve this attention?

Life / Polish mentality towards Pakistan [108]

I have a question Jabwaw. Perhaps you could explain to me why "British born" Pakistanis would want to blow up trains and buses in London and why, yesterday, 12 Pakistanis and two Indians were arrested in Barcelona for posessing bombmaking equiptment and with planning terrorist acts.

I am not political or interested in religious arguments, just curious as to why these people should want to harm others who have welcomed them into their country. As to whether Pakistanis are liked or disliked is surely going to depend on their behaviour in the countries they decide to live/ integrate in?