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Posts by Trevek  

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Last Post: 12 Jun 2016
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From: Olsztyn
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Trevek   
22 Oct 2010
History / Poles in the Crusades to the Holy Land [75]

Poles didn't do Crusades and they didn't colonize either!

No, just asked the Germans to do it for them. That's why the colonization of Prussia and Lithuania is known as thee Northern Crusade.
Trevek   
20 Oct 2010
History / Poles in the Crusades to the Holy Land [75]

I suppose there is always William Joyce (goldsmith and supposed founder of claddagh ring) who was captured by pirates and sold to Turkish (or Moorish, I forget) master.
Trevek   
20 Oct 2010
History / Poles in the Crusades to the Holy Land [75]

Were there? From what I am reading now it seems that

It was the only order formed in Poland but the other orders had branches.

This book has a few interesting chapters

books.google.com/books?id=1m4fbJyQ4pkC&pg=PA433&lpg=PA433&dq=Polish+knights+crusades&source=bl&ots=YSWUiz7sHm&sig=jw0aMg2eR_yRhGbcIolh4KKI9BE&hl=en&ei=sle_TMXzBIWXOu32xTI&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CC4Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Polish% 20knights%20crusades&f=false

Interesting comment in first paragraph about lack of interest in crusades by Polish society

web.ceu.hu/medstud/events/ev004/starnaw.htm
Trevek   
20 Oct 2010
History / Poles in the Crusades to the Holy Land [75]

Story about Leszek the White and telling the Pope Polish knights couldn't crusade cos there was no mead in Holy Land beer100.com/history/meadhistory.htm
Trevek   
20 Oct 2010
History / Poles in the Crusades to the Holy Land [75]

The Teutons were in the Holy Land before heading to the growth industry of the North. Perhaps German speaking Polish knights rode with them.

According to the mighty wiki, the Order of Dobrzyn was the only military order founded in Poland.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Dobrzy%C5%84
Trevek   
20 Oct 2010
History / Poles in the Crusades to the Holy Land [75]

Do you mean Polish knights who were members of these orders (Knights hospitallers etc/). I thought the only Polish order (founded in Poland) was the Order of Dobrzyn, which was concerned with the Northern Crusades (Prussia/Lithuania)
Trevek   
20 Oct 2010
Genealogy / How did Leszek Miller get the surname Miller - is it a Polish name? [30]

Most probably, as the English didn't flow to Poland en masse.

No, but the Scots did.

There was a fair bit of English movement to Russia, Germany and Poland but probably not as much as the Scots.

In fact, Chaucer's Knight in "The Canterbury Tales" has ridden with the Teutonic Order in Lithuania and Prussia (as a number of English and Scottish knights did). Now... which tale follows his? Yes, "The Miller's Tale"
Trevek   
12 Oct 2010
Law / UK driving license mess in Poland [72]

I had a bump the other day. cost me 220 zlots but the sight of the UK license discouraged them from giving me points.
Trevek   
12 Oct 2010
Law / UK driving license mess in Poland [72]

The photocard license must be renewed once every 10 years, and it is illegal to drive without it.

Yes, I just found this out. My HGV licence is due to expire (haven't used it in over 20 years anyway) but it seems I do have to renew my photo next year. I rang DVLA, who said i can only beresident in one country. However, they said I can renew HGV later, when i come back to UK.
Trevek   
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Absolutely correct ... you know that it was the British who first used concentration camps? Hitler was just a "copy cat" (admittedly a very good one :S)

Yeah, as usual, the British invent something and someone else makes "the improvements". Apparently concentration camps had been used by the spanish and Americans before the british used them but the british first used them as part of total policy against a particular culture/ethnic group.

Virtually all of the ethnic Poles DID NOT follow Martin Luther's new religion but virtually every German DID in that area.

What about in Mazury? Weren't Mazurians ethnic Poles?
Trevek   
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Apparently there are a number of publishers who would steer clear of publishing things that might annoy Irving because he is seen as an active litigant and one which would drag them into the courts. well, that's total cowardice on their half. Deborah Lippstadt (sp?) and her puiblishers at least had the balls to take Irving on face to face and delivered a broadside to his credibility.

To be honest, I think some of the behaviour and attitudes of Holocaust historians and activists doesn't help. When I hear phrases like "Well, the Jewish experience was unique" or "The experience of a non-Jew in the camps can't compare" (as I have heard), I think it is divisive. The fact that the camps also housed people like Rom (persecuted for race), Jehovah's Witnesses and Catholic Priests (faith) and the extermination of disabled people (German as well as others) under T4, is surely more than enough evidence of the intent of the nazis. To suggest a monopoly on suffering is a questionable thing and creates rifts where there should be unity.

That disabled people were being killed by starvation, lethal injection and, eventually, gas before the concentration camps began to employ such methods is a strong argument against denialists.
Trevek   
25 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

I wonder why he still does "it"...he was a renowned historian once...his book about Hitler and the third Reich had been a classic...then he chose the Holocaust as his next topic...and all went downhill for him since then.

As far as I know, none of his books have actually been specifically about the Holocaust. he has written on Hitler, the death of Sikorski, British operations during the war, Dresden bombing etc. It's kind of ironic that something he hasn't really written about has been his downfall.

As for revisionism, in history it should be welcomed. Let's face it, for years the world believed the Polish cavalry attacked German tanks, thinking they were made of paper (as Irving actually wrote in one of his books!). Should that myth not have been revised? When I was growing up in Britain there were books in the library which told of 4 million dying in Auschwitz and the making of soap from human remains, and human skin lampshades. Most of this has since been revised by holocaust historians themselves (and I don't mean Irving's mob). Now we are told the Auschwitz death toll was nearer 1.5 million.

I have met South Africans whose families were in British concentration camps and tell the story of the British putting glass in the food to kill people. Apparently there is no evidence that this was policy but people still believe it. Should this be revised or not? The fact thousands died in british camps through starvation and neglect is something which does not need revision. Likewise, the death and suffering in nazi camps is something indisputable. The evil of the philosophy behind it is also indisputable and it doesn't matter from a moral point whether 1 person or 1 million died as a result of the policy... it is still an evil philosophy. However, if historians and politicians are determined to make a catechism of numbers, then it is obvious that opponents will use numbers to dispute and to attack an 'official' history.

Obviously, revision often has a political bias (doesn't all history?) but surely the answer is to fight fire with fire. irving has become a celebrity martyr because people ban him, jail him etc but rarely engage him in direct debate. While they say it gives him credibility if they engage with him, it also allows him to put up his hands and say 'Oh, they mustn't have an argument" when they don't engage.

Yes, because muslims do not share our values of democracy, freedom of speech, equality among the sexes, accepting homosexuality and that children have rights too.

I don't know, if you mean they dislike homosexuals then they'd get on ok with the vatican. Equality amongst the sexes? You mean they don't like the idea of female priests either, or a woman's right to chose contraception or birth control methods? Freedom of speech... like trying to ban Monty Python's "Life of Brian" or "The Last Temptation of Christ" under blasphemy laws? Children's rights? Ah yes... finally admitting to years of cover-up over child abuse etc?

Talk about pot calling the kettle black (or should I say 'ethnic')
Trevek   
13 Sep 2010
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]

I'm intrigued by the "Macedonian" bit. Now, what is the criteria for "Macedonian"?
Is it the region or ethnicity. Does it cover all Greek/Bulgarian/Skopje/Albania/Serbian areas?

Considering many people in the Balkans dispute a "Macedonian" ethnicity, saying the "macedonians" are "really" Serbs/Bulgarians etc (not to mention Gypsy/Vlach etc) I'd be interested to know the criteria.
Trevek   
3 Sep 2010
Food / Lost family recipe for Chow-Chow (Polish style) [37]

a family receipe for Chow-Chow.

I thought a Chow was a kind of dog.....I know the Chinese eat em but not the Poles surely.....or is it something else....?

Maybe bake them in pastry, hence the Polish word 'pies'.
Trevek   
28 Aug 2010
Genealogy / Looking for any and all information on Dabrowski/Dombrowski from Poland [88]

Writing to the adress someone gave above is one idea. Another might be to contact the Mormons (really!) as they have a huge geneological library and have copies of church records from a number of places.

ancestorhunt.com/mormon_church_records.htm

Also consider looking at shipping records etc.
Trevek   
27 Aug 2010
Genealogy / Looking for any and all information on Dabrowski/Dombrowski from Poland [88]

So what do you mean by this.

Not sure if you know, but the ą letter gives a specific pronunciation. Roughly, it sounds a bit like 'ahn' to an English speaker. That's why you have the Dabrowski/Dombrowski spelling.

In a Polish search engine the ą could make all the difference.

The name Dąbrowski is pretty common in Poland. The ą letter is roughly pronounced 'ahn', so this is why you have the 'dombrowski' spelling (also, remember the 'w' is pronounced as a 'v').

Have you seen this thread?
Trevek   
22 Jun 2010
Food / Russia vs Poland Vodka war [73]

An excellent idea! If you're ever in Gdansk, look me up.

Likewise if you're ever in Olsztyn.
Trevek   
20 Jun 2010
Food / Russia vs Poland Vodka war [73]

Two come immediately to mind: the American War of Independence, and the War of 1812.

Indeed! Although Britain maintained a world class ranking in both cases, being the first country to lose to America (War of Independence), a new world record, and in the second case, keeping Canada, which sits on top of US geographically!

Shall we make that 2 shots of Sobieski, one for each bygone?
Trevek   
20 Jun 2010
Food / Russia vs Poland Vodka war [73]

English wódka what the hell is it?????

Scotland is one of the largest vodka producers in Europe, but adds caramel, I think. Funny how they then whine about protection for 'whisky'.

Of course, in any war... the british come out tops...

guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jun/11/vodka-english-voted-best-world
Trevek   
14 Jun 2010
Genealogy / Polish and Russian DNA? [52]

I wonder if you gave those ugly ape hybrids a couple of tanks,

Would those be chimpanzers?

how long do you think it would take Poland to throw its hands up?

No, they'd resort to gorilla warfare.
Trevek   
14 Jun 2010
Genealogy / Polish and Russian DNA? [52]

If a Pole mixes with a Russian the offspring will look like belarus?

If you mix a german with an ape do you get a really ugly ape?

OOOps, sorry you posted while I was...
Trevek   
14 Jun 2010
Genealogy / Polish and Russian DNA? [52]

you get a DNA Finn with Irish cultural traits

Like Finn macool?
Trevek   
1 Jun 2010
Life / In need of good Polish jokes about Polish culture, people, etc [226]

But if you ever decide to visit the place, by all means be sure to order the duckblood soup. Beause they'll will get it in you one way or the other!'

With all that duck, I wonder if he stuck with a bill.

There were a few Polish jokes about Russian gangsters:

A Russian gangster goes to the dentist. The dentist looks in the gangster's mouth and is amazed to see he has gold teeth embossed with diamonds.

The dentist asks, "And just what do you expect me to do?"

Gangster replies, "Fit a burglar alarm!"

A few years ago there was a really dodgy bit of road renovation in Olsztyn, outside the town hall. Around that time I heard the following joke:

The president of Olsztyn holds a competition for tenders to do the road outside the town hall. 3 companies come forward, a Warsaw company, a local Olsztyn company and a small Ukrainian firm.

The president asks how much they charge: Warsaw says, "We can do the whole road for 20,000 euroes. The Ukarainian company says, "We can do it for 5000 euroes". The president asks the local guy, who says "25,000 euroes". The president is shocked, "But that is more than the warsaw company, how do you justify that price?" "The builder whispers, "10,000 for you, 10,000 for me... and we get the Ukrainians to do it!"