Lenka
24 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
You are more than welcome to stay at home :)
Diametrically better then slaving off to some corporation
You are more than welcome to stay at home :)
Lenka
22 Jan 2023
Lenka
19 Jan 2023
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
If you look at the thread title it's not about that.
Americans can run their country as they wish. Poles seem to have a bit different ideas.
Americans will NEVER give up their right to have guns.
If you look at the thread title it's not about that.
Americans can run their country as they wish. Poles seem to have a bit different ideas.
Lenka
18 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
Do you try to comprehend what you read?
Or did your wife and her friends said ' I won't have kids unless I can stay at home'?
And this is exactly the dismissive attitude that will keep the crisis going. The fact is more and more women in relationships don't have kids and if they have a vibrator it's in addition to and not instead of a man.
were adamant about staying home until the children were in pre-school if not longer
Do you try to comprehend what you read?
Or did your wife and her friends said ' I won't have kids unless I can stay at home'?
No kids, and no husband, but hey how is that career and vibrator at night treating you?
And this is exactly the dismissive attitude that will keep the crisis going. The fact is more and more women in relationships don't have kids and if they have a vibrator it's in addition to and not instead of a man.
Lenka
18 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
You talk about people wanting more traditional roles, people being tired of leftism etc but neither of those are supported by the birth rates or the poll.
People who want traditional life have the kids. It's those who do not have kids that have to be convinced
No, it is about that moment when a couple (or just a women, depending on the circumstances) decide they want to have a baby. Of course what happens after that is important for society but doesn't affect birth rate.
Btw, I never EVER heard a qomen saying she won't have a baby because she cannot be stay at home mom.
You talk about people wanting more traditional roles, people being tired of leftism etc but neither of those are supported by the birth rates or the poll.
People who want traditional life have the kids. It's those who do not have kids that have to be convinced
Birth rate decline is less about actually child bearing and more about how we raise the children that are actually born.
No, it is about that moment when a couple (or just a women, depending on the circumstances) decide they want to have a baby. Of course what happens after that is important for society but doesn't affect birth rate.
Btw, I never EVER heard a qomen saying she won't have a baby because she cannot be stay at home mom.
Lenka
18 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
Or maybe that is how they see things?
As to the rest again why bang on about trans, sex ed and all? What it has to do with birthrate in Poland?
those views are taken largely from what is happening in the US.
Or maybe that is how they see things?
As to the rest again why bang on about trans, sex ed and all? What it has to do with birthrate in Poland?
Lenka
18 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
Why so obcessed? You are banging on about it without anyone really saying staff about it.
@PolAmKrakow
Judging by the poll I posted (you know, the one that restarted this discussion) it seems that even more women go completely the opposite direction.
I am not ignoring anything other than the insane far left agenda
Why so obcessed? You are banging on about it without anyone really saying staff about it.
@PolAmKrakow
Judging by the poll I posted (you know, the one that restarted this discussion) it seems that even more women go completely the opposite direction.
Lenka
17 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
So a girl that at 20 would have her first child, at 30 lets say the last one. At 37 the last one is in full time education. And the women receives 1,5 of a nice wage for the rest of her life...
So a girl that at 20 would have her first child, at 30 lets say the last one. At 37 the last one is in full time education. And the women receives 1,5 of a nice wage for the rest of her life...
Lenka
17 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
That is a recipe for disaster. Plus, would that be lifelong or just to the kids specific age? And would there be a chance for the men to go for it?
A stay at home mum of two should get an average wage, so that it pays off more to have and raise two children
That is a recipe for disaster. Plus, would that be lifelong or just to the kids specific age? And would there be a chance for the men to go for it?
Lenka
17 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
Co sidering the poll I posted more and more women choose career.
The thing is you guys repeat the same mantra 'go back to how things were'. They won't. And quite often instead of listening to what women say about it you tell us how we feel or shouldn't want etc.
women who could reconcile having careers/jobs with bearing and raising more children, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Co sidering the poll I posted more and more women choose career.
The thing is you guys repeat the same mantra 'go back to how things were'. They won't. And quite often instead of listening to what women say about it you tell us how we feel or shouldn't want etc.
Lenka
17 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
And very happy about it.
That is your assumption. Women had your system and actually fought quite hard to change it.
21 pln bilet in Polish railways.
And very happy about it.
OK, 0.3%. But shouldn't we rather consider with more care the fate of the remaining 99.7%
That is your assumption. Women had your system and actually fought quite hard to change it.
Lenka
17 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
Or docrors, headteachers, laborants, architechts, lawyers...
And what if it just a job and not a cereer? Still gives other aspect of life, financial independence, a world outside of the house etc.
And I know different women. Plus as a said, they usually imagine things being the same just them not going to work and that is not the case
Lol, so true
the kind of "career" that most of the women have are menial physical jobs, sales assistants, hairdressers or office workers, teachers at best
Or docrors, headteachers, laborants, architechts, lawyers...
And what if it just a job and not a cereer? Still gives other aspect of life, financial independence, a world outside of the house etc.
Most of the women I know would gladly leave their so-called careers, if only they could afford to stay at home with their children.
And I know different women. Plus as a said, they usually imagine things being the same just them not going to work and that is not the case
That could be the motto of this forum.....
Lol, so true
Lenka
17 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
No, I will ask what kind of a parent wouldn't want their kid to have the same standard of life. I would rather my kids had a nice house etc
Why would a parent not be responsible to give his/her kids the same support as they would if the kid was with them?
And I would also ask why one parent should not only be almost solely responsible for the kids, hindering earning potential, incrasing stress etc but also bear the bigger financial (or even equal) preassure?
Someone still needs to tell me how it is possible to spend that kind of money raising a child
No, I will ask what kind of a parent wouldn't want their kid to have the same standard of life. I would rather my kids had a nice house etc
Why would a parent not be responsible to give his/her kids the same support as they would if the kid was with them?
And I would also ask why one parent should not only be almost solely responsible for the kids, hindering earning potential, incrasing stress etc but also bear the bigger financial (or even equal) preassure?
Lenka
16 Jan 2023
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
The one most commonly mentioned, I think, is the green light from local police chef, another the mention in law that to get gun for self protection you have to be able to show how you are in danger:
W przypadku ubiegania się o broń palną bojową w celu ochrony osobistej należy wykazać się realnym i potwierdzonym przez organ Policji zagrożeniem życia lub zdrowia wnioskodawcy;
The one most commonly mentioned, I think, is the green light from local police chef, another the mention in law that to get gun for self protection you have to be able to show how you are in danger:
W przypadku ubiegania się o broń palną bojową w celu ochrony osobistej należy wykazać się realnym i potwierdzonym przez organ Policji zagrożeniem życia lub zdrowia wnioskodawcy;
Lenka
16 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
So which one is it?
Women in most cases should get primary custody, I would agree
and yet the laws around the world are written with the presumption that living with the mother will be the best situation.
So which one is it?
Lenka
16 Jan 2023
Lenka
16 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
So women should in fact get the custody unless something is really off since they are the ones better equipped?
So women should in fact get the custody unless something is really off since they are the ones better equipped?
Lenka
16 Jan 2023
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
I did open a bank account without waiting if my memory is not failing me but that is not the point.
People wanting easier gun access want change in the requirements not how long they will wait to get processed.
I did open a bank account without waiting if my memory is not failing me but that is not the point.
People wanting easier gun access want change in the requirements not how long they will wait to get processed.
Lenka
16 Jan 2023
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
Hmm, to me it looks more like virtue signalling (isn't that the term?). You don't actually change anything but make it look like you do...
And I think you base it on what affects you and not necessarily what that group wants.
it at least acknowledges the other sides concerns and gives them something even if it is only a small thing.
Hmm, to me it looks more like virtue signalling (isn't that the term?). You don't actually change anything but make it look like you do...
And I think you base it on what affects you and not necessarily what that group wants.
Lenka
16 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
No, Paulina just showed you that if you truly believe man are not as equipped as women in childcare than such bias would be justified.
Again, another leftist feminist comment concerning fair treatment by the courts.
No, Paulina just showed you that if you truly believe man are not as equipped as women in childcare than such bias would be justified.
Lenka
16 Jan 2023
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
Few people could be happy with that but I can't see it making a difference. That falls under bureaucracy not relaxing gun laws.
Few people could be happy with that but I can't see it making a difference. That falls under bureaucracy not relaxing gun laws.
Lenka
16 Jan 2023
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
OK, we look at it and what? How should it look in your opinion?
OK, we look at it and what? How should it look in your opinion?
Lenka
16 Jan 2023
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
Because it is in contradiction to what 70% wants?
You can't please both groups.
Why ignore any percentage of the people's wants? 23%
Because it is in contradiction to what 70% wants?
You can't please both groups.
Lenka
15 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
No, not anyone. Especiallyin Oland the job market is very rigid.
It'snot. 2 days you still went to work, not to mention you had to also work from home on the week days.
We were talking about women NOT working.
I understand but I found the expression...weird.
Anyone can do what I did, women included
No, not anyone. Especiallyin Oland the job market is very rigid.
How is 5 days a week not staying at home?
It'snot. 2 days you still went to work, not to mention you had to also work from home on the week days.
We were talking about women NOT working.
My expression was meant to convey that my children will have thought enough about the life I gave them and visit the grave.
I understand but I found the expression...weird.
Lenka
15 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
Kids go to school at 7. If you have 2, let's say 3 years apart, that is 10 years out of job market...
Sorry, but that is NOT staying at home. You still worked. Arranged it a bit to better suit your life (and that is great if you can do it) ut you still worked.
I was only talking about that visiting the grave. I will be dead, who the hell cares...
And I also don't like looking at having kids as some legacy, help in the old age etc. One shouldn't bring kids to this world to feed your ego or as insurance policy.
Raise the kids then go back to work when they are in school.
Kids go to school at 7. If you have 2, let's say 3 years apart, that is 10 years out of job market...
stayed at home 5 days a week when my first was born, worked remotely, and then went into the office on weekends.
Sorry, but that is NOT staying at home. You still worked. Arranged it a bit to better suit your life (and that is great if you can do it) ut you still worked.
Everyone thinks about their legacy and mortality as they get older, anyone who doesn't is simply not normal.
I was only talking about that visiting the grave. I will be dead, who the hell cares...
And I also don't like looking at having kids as some legacy, help in the old age etc. One shouldn't bring kids to this world to feed your ego or as insurance policy.
Lenka
15 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
I think that is the different outlook by people from UK, USA etc and Poland. Most mothers worked in my class.
I think that is the different outlook by people from UK, USA etc and Poland. Most mothers worked in my class.
Lenka
15 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
The dynamic is one thing. More significant is reliable contraception.
It does all the time. But it can't be 'I want my children to have a stay at home parents but I don't want it to be me'.
Sorry but who the hell gives a damn about that?
Tbh I never met a modern women that qould 'miss her window. I know some that can't have kids, some that don't want to but never one that woke up too late. Might be demographics tough.
the changes in the family dynamic over the last 30 years, have affected the birth rates of Poland and other countries.
The dynamic is one thing. More significant is reliable contraception.
When does the man's opinion come into the discussi
It does all the time. But it can't be 'I want my children to have a stay at home parents but I don't want it to be me'.
A nice car, clothes and vacations won't be visiting your grave.
Sorry but who the hell gives a damn about that?
Tbh I never met a modern women that qould 'miss her window. I know some that can't have kids, some that don't want to but never one that woke up too late. Might be demographics tough.
Lenka
15 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
Because at first it'sthe adults who have to decide to have kids. So that is what impacts the birthrate
All the talk about population decline seems to be focused on what the adults want and not what children need,
Because at first it'sthe adults who have to decide to have kids. So that is what impacts the birthrate
Lenka
15 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
OK. Let's start from the beginning:
In order for man to have decent wage women have to earn pinuts?
If women were so happy staying at home how did we saturated the market enough to have to drop the mans' wages?
And when did we could afford that for most of society in Poland anyway? Usually people worked, maybe not on a payroll but still.
How is it that, even when possible, so few man grab that wonderful opportunity to stay at home? Did any of you? Even for a year?
What with women that don'thave kids? How are they supposedto
Wanted to. We had that conversationat work last week. 3 mothers- all 3 said they can't imagine staying at home long term.
And even women that do want to stay at home usually think along the lines of things being the same just not working. They don't think about financial dependency, stress of the only bread winner not being able to earn, brake up or death etc
OK. Let's start from the beginning:
In order for man to have decent wage women have to earn pinuts?
If women were so happy staying at home how did we saturated the market enough to have to drop the mans' wages?
And when did we could afford that for most of society in Poland anyway? Usually people worked, maybe not on a payroll but still.
How is it that, even when possible, so few man grab that wonderful opportunity to stay at home? Did any of you? Even for a year?
What with women that don'thave kids? How are they supposedto
Wanted or had to?
Wanted to. We had that conversationat work last week. 3 mothers- all 3 said they can't imagine staying at home long term.
And even women that do want to stay at home usually think along the lines of things being the same just not working. They don't think about financial dependency, stress of the only bread winner not being able to earn, brake up or death etc
Lenka
15 Jan 2023
Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]
Thank you very much for that luxury I happen to like to work.
And most of the women around me wanted to go back to work after maternity.
Yes.
They could have had the luxury of bringing up their kids properly
Thank you very much for that luxury I happen to like to work.
And most of the women around me wanted to go back to work after maternity.
Do you all still support equal pay for women?
Yes.