History / Historical look at various civilisational differences between Russia and the West [159]


Quite the astute observation, mon amie. As usual, you have hit the target in the bullseye.

Educated people, as you and I are, certainly understand that Russians at large are not, and never have been, Europeans. Rather, it is a backwards Asiatic country - as is evident from its barbarous and cruel treatment of its own population. Whatever hope there was, that they could join the ranks of civilized countries, was dashed when they scandalously invaded Ukraine.

Never in the history of the world, has there been such a clear-cut example of good fighting evil. This is why it is imperative that the West ensure that Russia fails to achieve its goals. The ruSSian apes must be made to live in utter squalor, until they learn to behave like proper human beings. I say this as ruSSian myself.

Cheers again, to a great post Lyzko!

History / This anti-Ukrainian propaganda for no valid reasons must stop [70]

@Novichok

You need 625, to separate between Koreans and Japanese.

History / Historical look at various civilisational differences between Russia and the West [159]


One can be, but it's a road that leads to nowhere.

If Russia one day explodes into a thousand pieces, it wouldn't be because of the hurtful things said by our neighbors.

News / Does Poland support the idea of Slavic unity? [142]


Again, my humor is not translating well with you.

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@Atch

I'm not a history buff like you, but I had also heard about these events.

This is why I'm not staying up at night, worrying about what North Korea might do, or when Iran will have nuclear weapons. To me it makes more sense to worry about the Germans.

As you said, in the early part of the previous century Germany decided to go war. Who did they decide to go to war against? THE WORLD.

This had never been tried before... and you might think this should've taken about 5 seconds to be over with. But you know what? It was actually CLOSE!

Then another thirty years went by, and they had some troubles, but then they decided - AGAIN - to go to war. Who did they chose to go to war against? Again - it was the WORLD!

Crazy part - it was another close call.

In a perverse way, Atch, this is proof of how well unification had gone for them)

News / Does Poland support the idea of Slavic unity? [142]


Yes, and a man that certainly had a deep understanding of my country.

Two quotes:

1) "Never fight with a Russian. To your every stratagem, they will answer with unpredictable stupidity."

2) "Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. The Russian has always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on an agreement signed by you, that you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper they are written on. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or not to play at all."

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Neither was it in the nature of Bavarians or Swabians, or Rhinelanders to work with each other, let alone Prussians.

By blood, and iron, a German state was forged nonetheless. The Swiss and Austrians, managed to avoid being consolidated - but that is their loss - little irrelevant islands of Germanity that they are.

Until the Germans consolidated, they were kicked around by Poles, French, Russians, and Scandinavians. Once they got over their differences, they shook the world.


Zero :/

News / Does Poland support the idea of Slavic unity? [142]


Perhaps there is still hope. Slavs united would be an unstoppable force in the globe.

The Latins had their run. The Germans had a very long one. Would Slavs not have their moment, before they all die out like dinosaurs (no Slavic country has good demographics)?

History / Historical look at various civilisational differences between Russia and the West [159]


Crno is from Montenegro. Holding him up as an example of what popular Russian attitudes are like - is like using Amiga500 as an example of what the average Pole is thinking. Meaningless.

To my knowledge there are three Russians on this board: myself, Velund, and Constantine. The three of us could not be more different, despite your constant attempts to paint us as some orc monolith.

I am a moderate, Velund is more to the right, and Kostya is... well I don't know yet, but he's an interesting guy.


Allies like a scorpion and a spider are allies when you put them both inside a jar. Incidentally, this reminds me - what forced those two together - even briefly? Ah yes, massive Germanophobia and Russophobia. After Versailles, and the October Revolution, Germany and Russia were like today's Iran and North Korea. Pariah nations, rogue states, not to be dealt with - not to embraced.

Also, they were similar with Iran and North Korea in that they simply did not want to accept Anglo-American hegemony - no matter the cost.

If you drive Nazis into the embrace of Bolsheviks, you really must know you've failed in your diplomacy at some point.

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Not true. I never saw Crow attempt to prove Barack Obama's Serbian ancestry, or him claim that the Qing Empire would not have collapsed - had it only treated Serbia more respectfully.

It wasn't his fault that nearly every single thing in Europe, is somehow Serbian in origin.

History / Historical look at various civilisational differences between Russia and the West [159]


Man, Maf, I have to say - you've made Russophobia into some form of art. After reading some of your messages, I feel I've sat through a "2 Minutes of Hate" like in 1984.

I've started screenshotting your posts recently, so I can show them to the kind people I meet, that ask me for proof of Russophobia.

This one is characteristically great: Russia as a nation of autists.

Your approach mirrors Novichok's style, in its grinding consistency. You'll convince the most guilt-ridden and pro-American Russian, to finally embrace hate for the West. After all - what's waiting for such a person there, when these Westerners do not differentiate between "good" and "bad" Russians? Best to stay in Russia and close to Putin, than be routinely exposed to being called a miserable, thieving, slave race.

Really - good work. The self-awareness bit you write about, however... that could use some improvement. Nobody's perfect.

News / Does Poland support the idea of Slavic unity? [142]


*cough cough*

Why do you think I loved Crow so much?

His visionary approach to diplomacy, inspired me to adapt my own tactics in engaging with Poles.

If the ROC should canonize anyone, it's Crow and not Suvorov.

History / This anti-Ukrainian propaganda for no valid reasons must stop [70]

@Michael2

Ok, again, this post above indicates we are dealing with some ChatGPT-like bot.

Thank you, Michael, for letting us know you are reading about things. Next time, please include some kind of thesis in your post.

History / This anti-Ukrainian propaganda for no valid reasons must stop [70]


Man, wtf...

This is "WHAT MATTERS"? You have some seriously twisted morality that bends only towards what satisfies your current hobby.

News / Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations [638]


With all the emotional effort you have invested into this conflict, you will really look quite silly when acquainting yourself with its end results.

Jon, Maf, CMS, and others can be excused... but you - you will look very foolish.

Romantic, and morally hermetic - your framework will nevertheless collapse - as any bankrupt idea does.

News / Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations [638]

Valiant effort, Kania.

But it is impossible to fight retardation.


Your attempts at causing discord between Russians and Poles is commendable. Hope the check from the State Department is appropriate.

History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]

@GefreiterKania

Perhaps the Soviets were onto something...

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History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]


We will never know the answer to this, until we can observe the situation empirically.

History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]


Hahaha. So true. However, I think we may have you beat. Do your bishops have Patek Philippe watches and personal yachts?

History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]


Agreed.

BTW, the emperor which cast out your hated Suvorov - Paul I of Russia - and did everything to reverse his mother's aggressive foreign policy (Catherine the Great) - was a big Prussophile. With this, came also his especial piety towards the Protestant faith.

Had he not been murdered, who knows how Russia would look today. But then again, he got murdered, so you can guess at how unpopular these policies were within Russia.

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I'm sure he would be the first one to be surprised.

Alright, you've convinced me!

News / "A merciful heart can share its bread with the hungry and welcome refugees and migrants" Pope Francis [89]


They seem reliable, as are the Chechens, at doing things in an especially dirty fashion. Why's that?

Probably, because they don't need any encouragement.

Remember how the Germans had to step aside in awe, when the Baltic nations got to the work of exterminating Jews? For some reason, the Cossacks relish butchering Poles. Now you're bosom friends with their descendants - ENJOY.

News / "A merciful heart can share its bread with the hungry and welcome refugees and migrants" Pope Francis [89]


It's not some mathematical model... and it's not about right or wrong.

I have to remind you, this is about whether or not Suvorov was a butcher of innocents. Evidence seems to indicate that what occurred, was not at all what he wanted.

Besides being listed among the best military commanders in history (alongside Caesar, Alexander and Bonaparte), he did much to liberate orthodox Slavs living under Turkish domination. I suspect this last liberation part, is the reason for his potential canonization.


Lol. What do we do then with the millions of Muslims and Buddhists living in Russia?

History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]


Yes, but neither is it so weak as to be immaterial.

Many Russians, myself included, have long wondered whether it is something about Orthodoxy that makes the societies of Russia, Greece, Serbia, Georgia, etc... relatively less "efficient" (the kindest way I can put it) in comparison to Western societies.

It certainly provides a stronger immunization to the various obscenities emerging in the modern west... but also - as I said above - puts a certain "brake" to the similarly strong need to evolve.

In another thread, I was having a discussion with Ironside about "Russian fatalism". The smart people that write about this specific type of fatalism, often "blame" Orthodoxy.

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A nice way of underlining how unreasonable Paulina and Pawian's expectations are.

Better not to address Russian Catholic youth at all, from the point of view of the Pope.

Incidentally, I was quite surprised at there being a Russian Catholic Youth forum in St. Petersburg.

News / "A merciful heart can share its bread with the hungry and welcome refugees and migrants" Pope Francis [89]


I trusted you, since I don't know much about this moment in history :)

However, learning about the "Battle of Praga" on Wikipedia just now, I read the following:

After the battle ended, the Russian troops, against the orders given by Suvorov before the battle, started to loot and burn the entire borough of Warsaw in revenge for the slaughter of the Russian Garrison in Warsaw during the Warsaw Uprising in April 1794, when about 2,000 Russian soldiers died.

An eyewitness to the massacre, General Ivan von Klugen, recorded this:

"We were being shot at from the windows of houses and the roofs, and our soldiers were breaking into the houses and killing all who happened to get in the way... In every living being our embittered soldiers saw the murderer of our men during the uprising in Warsaw... It cost a lot of effort for the Russian officers to save these poor people from the revenge of our soldiers... At four o'clock the terrible revenge for the slaughter of our men in Warsaw was complete!"

Apparently Suvorov was so horrified at what was happening, he blew the bridge to Warsaw over the Vistula, to prevent the chaos from spreading.

It's clear, he failed to prevent it, but it's also clear he did his best to put a stop to it.

Also, did you read that the worst atrocities were committed by the Cossacks (a seemingly recurring theme in Polish-Ukrainian relations)?

Regarding Catherine... who do you feel the Pope could have used as a better example from Russian history?

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Yeah... I've calmed down since)

PF has softened me, over time.

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Ehhh?

News / "A merciful heart can share its bread with the hungry and welcome refugees and migrants" Pope Francis [89]

I am not a fan of religion, as some might know here. So it's not a little bit strange, for me to defend Pope Francis. But I want to try anyway:

Catherine the Great, who was not even Russian (born Princess Sophie Friederike Auguste von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg), is almost universally regarded as one of the most important figures of the 18th century. She brought the Enlightenment to Russia, and created the conditions which started a huge wave of European immigration into the country. She also founded such cities as Nikolayev, Kherson, Sevastopol and Dnipropetrovsk (which Ukrainians are now claiming as "historic" Ukrainian cities).

Her treatment of Poland, while perhaps unjust from the point of view of Poles, was totally normal policy for a statesman of her time. Had it not been done by her, it would have been done to a further extant than actually occurred - by the Prussians and Austrians.

Now as to the Russian Orthodox Church:

It is bewildering to me, how so many soldiers were made saints by the early church. One of those things which I find very confusing. However, you must admit that the ROC is definitely not unique in turning killers into saints.

Suvorov has a reputation of a martyr in the Russian historical tradition. He brought Russia some of its greatest victories (while sleeping and eating with the soldiers as an equal), only to be discarded by Catherine's son like a piece of trash. He is known to have been extremely pious, and kind (again, look to the way he treated his men). Applying modern Polish grievances to him, is as ahistorical an approach as blaming Catherine for following thorough on the partitions.

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That's all, for my apologetics. As I've said - it's strange to me to make saints of soldiers.

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I thought that is where you recently returned?


Ooof. It seems so. I hope you find the answer, soon, to whatever is vexing you.