"How Poles Built Russia...

... Polish Roots of the Russian Empire" is the title of the newest edition of the book printed before under the title "Jak stwarzaliśmy Rosję" (How We Created Russia) and then "How We Built Russia".

taniaksiazka.pl/jak-polacy-budowali-rosje-mariusz-swider-p-2002650.html

The author did a truly benedictine work in following the lives and work of over 3000 Poles who built the Russian Empire. Russian sources, including Горизонтов Л.Е., Служить или не служить Империи? Поляки в России 19 века [w] Rosyjsko-polskie kontakty językowe, literackie i kuluralne. S. Grybowski, W. Choriew et.al (eds.), Moskwa, 2011, but mostly its a pioneer work in it's scale and scope.

For the benefit of our western friends and allies whose knowledge of Central/Eastern European history is somewhat cursory, I shall just remind a couple of facts:

- it was Lechici (sort of proto-Polish tribe) who built Moscow;
- it was Polish printing shops that printed Russian books for over 120 years;
- Nikolai Gogol's real name was Mikołaj Hohoł-Janowski;
- Polish architects raised innumerable civilian and military buildings all over the Russian Empire;
- Polish engineers built bridges and rail network in Russia (90% of steel rails came from Polish factories);
- the role of Poles was so great that a Russian Professor Leonid Gorizontow called the 1800s in Russia
a "Polish Century"...

... and I could go on, but it's better to just grab a book and read it yourselves.

See, let us talk of business instead of confrontation. For sure all Slavs deserve privileged access to the Siberian resources.

Let Poland get rid of the NATO and EU for starter.

Poland always does things for others...

- for Germany (it was only thanks to our stolen lands that Prussia and then Germany could rise to power)
- for France (we taught the barbarians how to eat with knife and fork)
- for Russia (see above)

... lesser nations like like Swedes, Lithuanians, and others, I shall not mention for the lack of time. We, practically, single-handedly civilised half of Europe, but are they grateful? No. (well, at least not as much as they should be).


The way Russia is conducting her business, it will be the Chinese who will control the Siberian resources in the future. :-/


Sure. But we need sh*tloads of nukes first.


Hmm... a complicated matter. Other EU countries are like our children (sometimes retarded, yes, but can we abandon them?).

Ja genau....YOU CAN'T! Europe needs you, so....

Exactly.

Besides, polandball is the cutest of all countryballs. ;)

Oh gawd....I'm not alone thinking that....soooo true!!! :):):)

Heh :)

Why the hell did they build it so big?

Even this thread is easier to digest than what Ukrainians claim when they talk about "building Russia".

Does ANY other country have this problem, where there are people going around claiming they actually created your country?

As I see things, Russia needs Poland.

r*SSia needs fúcking.

What a moron...

Yes you are.

Whoever 'built' r*SSia should hang their wretched heads in shame.

I meant you. Please get AIDS.

There's plenty of that in r*SSia.

Perhaps Poles built it.

and how would you suggest that to occur?

No, don`t tell me. Its disgusting. You Anglos. You want to use Poland as a dic*?

Crow, I am so glad you are back...
Aren't those Brits fun...

They lack intelligence, I can tell you that. I am glad to note Slavs on this forum are so much in front of them.

Russians are honorary people, so in return for building their country they gave us some of their brilliant inventions. One of such inventions is...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTS_(vehicle)

... we have over 250 of them -- the 1969 PTS-M version. The wiki entry says "to be replaced" next to Poland but we've been hearing this "to be replaced" since the late 1990s when those remarkable vehicle were supposed to be scrapped. But then of course the great flood of 1997 came, and the Russian gift turned up to be a gift from heaven. Did anyone in Poland say 'thank you' to Russia back then? I doubt it.

Guess which machines saved many Poles and their possessions in the great flood in 2010? PTS-M.
What about the most recent 2024 flood? Yip, PTS-M.

Looks like there is another great flood coming this year, and our brave government announced full readiness to fight the powers of nature, but the question is, which equipment will prove vital again? You guessed it - PTS-M.



We could use a newer vehicle but unfortunately the only country making machines capable of transporting fully loaded Jelcz 442.32 trucks across water is... Russia, and we can't currently buy military equipment from them (our allies would react with unhappy noises). Therefore, if nobody else is willing to do it, then I will say "thank you Russia for the over-half-a-century old vehicle that will once again save Polish lives and property in 2025".

geekweek.interia.pl/militaria/news-pts-m-znow-beda-walczyc-z-wielka-woda-to-wozy-z-lat-60,nId,22163213

There is really nothing newer?

Nope. There are plans for our own vehicle (codename 'Jodła') but it's still in the early planning stage...

portalobronny.se.pl/bron-i-strzelectwo/stare-ale-jeszcze-jare-ta-radziecka-konstrukcja-byla-nad-wyraz-udana-aa-RXaG-uXSm-Da8W.html

... and apparently it won't even have all the capabilities of PTS-M.

We should just buy PTS-4 from Russia but in the current political climate it's pure fantasy.

It's a ridiculous idea for a thread. Now, Russians will complain to us.

Finland seem to know about production of combat vehicles and it has a lot of lakes. It's a no brainer to me that the development of a multipurpose cheap Amphibian military-transport-rescue vehicle would benefit both Finland and Poland.

(Not to mention Norway in a situation like Utøya again, but not sure Norway is ready to talk about it. Which is why I suggest Finland)

@Torq

It upsets me that the things Russia is good at, are not very profitable. This thing you have brought up is one such example.

Who makes a f*cking piece of machinery that works nonstop from 1969 to 2025? That's just stupid. American and European manufacturers have planned obsolescence, and make more money from part supplies over the life of a product than from the initial sale.

The things in which we're world class are super niche. A firefighting airplane. An icebreaker. An amphibious transport. All sh*t that you can't sell more than a handful of - even if you build Canada's entire icebreaker fleet. Our firefighting planes - people most often don't buy them, but just rent them from us.

Russian's don't want to make a t-shirt or nice little handheld drill like the Chinese. We only want to make things that go "BOOM!" or are good for travelling through marshes or tundra.

Not to mention tourism could been huge in Siberia, with dog sleds tracking. A adventure for a whole week with stops at outposts with drinking parties due to it's wasteful terrain (few countries could compete with it).

Furniture, wooden spoons and forks (there is a trend for it lately) (massive amounts of forests in eastern Russia?).

Toy factories (oil->plastics->toys or out of wood)

But for that to be exported international relations would have to be improved or it would need to be very niche for it to enter the Chinese market

For example, a weekend on bread and water in the gulag. 😁