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Monitor   
29 Oct 2014
Work / Is it going to be hard for me to find a part time Job in Warsaw? [25]

Why to study in Poland if you belong to Nepal?

i want to know how is the education system there

here you are: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Poland

and can i plan to stay there relying on my part time job ??

No, except if you can learn Polish at least to A2/B1 level before coming to Poland and you will manage to work any free time as house cleaner. You would also need somebody to help you get these jobs. As for legal jobs they don't pay enough to cover cost of your stay and studies and they don't employ part time people without good Polish.

how is the living expenses like rental, phone, internet, foods , etc ??

It's between 800zł and 2000zł depending on city and the style of life.

how far is the english language spoken and will it help me to find part time job ??

It's spoken by younger people only and it is not enough to get part time job.
Monitor   
27 Oct 2014
Work / Chances of working in Poland as an IT System / Server Administrator? ( I have 3 years experience ) [17]

Because you need work permit and don't speak Polish some companies may offer you lower-end salary. Try simply searching and applying. I think you can expect somewhere between 5000 PLN - 12000 PLN gross. 8000 gross is a salary for a good senior programmer, meaning at least 5 years experience and experience with interesting technologies. Also I guess that there is bigger demand for programmers than for administrators.

Start applying here:
pracuj.pl/praca/MCITP;kw
pl.jobrapido.com/?w=MCITP&fh=1
pl.jobrapido.com/?w=administrator&l=&r=
4programmers.net/Praca/Szukaj?q=Administrator&city=&skill=&salary (here sometimes net salaries are presented)

use translate.google.com
Monitor   
14 Oct 2014
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

As an Irish person I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate rain all the time.

In the capital annual precipitation is the same as average in Poland:
eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/average-annual-precipitation/map_5_1_annual_precip.eps/image_original
Good choice for the capital Irish people!

Why should I hate poland. I am polish and poland is my country. Poland is a noble nation with a great history. Of course she has problems, just like any other nation.

Only tradition tells people that they should like the country the come from. What if you were a nomad? If a country is bad and made your live miserable, then why not to hate it? Although I don't think that Poland is so bad for most of people. Especially that there was no hunger and war in recent decades. 71% of Poles declare that they're happy from their live:

71 percent of Poles claim that they are satisfied with life. These are the results of a Social Opinion Research Center survey. 20 percent of respondents stated that they are very satisfied with life. 25 percent said about moderate satisfaction, and 3 percent felt that they were dissatisfied with life.

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/71-procent-Polakow-zadowolonych-z-zycia-2712341.html
Monitor   
12 Oct 2014
Language / Learning Polish but not focusing on the grammar, good idea? [37]

as with any language, more important than grammar is vocabulary. But when you know quite a lot of it, that you can understand most of conversation, then grammar should become priority in order to start talking. Just my opinion.
Monitor   
1 Oct 2014
Work / Are there any jobs for Americans in Poland? [46]

There are Droves of Spanish in krakow living the Eastern European dream by doing this.

yes, but they don't need work permit and are native speakers.
Monitor   
1 Oct 2014
Work / Are there any jobs for Americans in Poland? [46]

I think you misunderstand when I say after we are married it will be easier. I don't mean easier to get a job, rather easier to get a visa.

Yes. That's true. As an American you can only visit Poland as a tourist for a few months. For longer period you need to find a job here. And to get a job the company must apply for work permit for you. It's an extra hassle for them, so they will not bother doing that for simple jobs which many Poles can perform. You should target more specialized job offers, where your native knowledge of American English could be used or get employed by one of relatives of your boyfriend.
Monitor   
18 Sep 2014
Life / Brazilian moving to Gdansk and need some help with finding a flat to rent and also a good school for daughters [33]

That's very good salary. According to Numbeo.com:

Consumer Prices in Gdansk are 19.51% lower than in Riga
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Gdansk are 15.30% lower than in Riga
Rent Prices in Gdansk are 2.15% higher than in Riga
Restaurant Prices in Gdansk are 20.18% lower than in Riga
Groceries Prices in Gdansk are 19.64% lower than in Riga
Local Purchasing Power in Gdanak is 48.87% higher than in Riga

I don't think that you will find many English books in libraries. Buy kindle or order from Amazon/Allegro.
Monitor   
10 Sep 2014
Life / Brazilian moving to Gdansk and need some help with finding a flat to rent and also a good school for daughters [33]

A1 is very basic, not enough for work. If your children have Polish citizenship, then your husband probably too and if he can come with you ,then you coudl get permit to stay and work permit on the base of marriage with Polish citizen.

When you have work permit and teaching experience you can search for work. Perhaps you will find some job for English or Portuguese teacher. But if any then rather just half time and low payed, because there is very small demand for Portuguese and big competition for not native English teachers.
Monitor   
8 Sep 2014
Law / Can dependent Visa holders take up employment in Poland? [51]

Only full time studies are mentioned in the law. The shortest Master studies take 1.5 or 2 years. There are some programs in English, but better one are in Polish. To study in Poland B2 language certificate is required. There are 1 year Polish language courses after which foreigners can study in Polish. So If you're serious about staying in Poland I would recommend this way.

*I meant to study in Polish B2 language, a certificate or finishing of 1 year language preparatory course is required.
Monitor   
7 Sep 2014
Law / Can dependent Visa holders take up employment in Poland? [51]

It depends if her profession is in need. I think that without perfect Polish language knowledge only BPO and programmers have some chance to be considered as employees. And BPOs employ mostly people speaking some Western European languages like Norwegian of French, so I think that realistically your wife has no chance for work in Poland. But she can try of course. Moreover she may do some Master or MBA studies in Poland. Graduates of Polish university don't need work permit. If she learns language meanwhile, then her chances of employment will be more than 0.
Monitor   
7 Sep 2014
Law / Can dependent Visa holders take up employment in Poland? [51]

Spoue can live in Poland but in order to work here potential employer would have to request for work permit for her. Assume that your wife will not have a job except if she is IT professional or is good candidate for work in one of BPO companies. Knowledge of Western European languages is important there.
Monitor   
5 Sep 2014
Genealogy / Do I look Polish? (my picture) [375]

That's a question to gypsy oracle. I think you could be any Slavic nationality, for example Bulgarian.
Monitor   
5 Sep 2014
Genealogy / Do I look Polish? (my picture) [375]

I think you could be. You look younger than 41. Here you can see some Polish faces:
google.pl/search?q=polscy+pi%C5%82karze&biw=1104&bih=1073&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=psEJVOmnK4rgaPG8gOgF&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

or here are:
google.pl/search?q=Adam&biw=1104&bih=1073&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=VsIJVIb1JIy2PeDagNgH&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=Arkadiusz
Monitor   
27 Aug 2014
Work / What are the chances of getting a part-time job for an Egyptian who's coming to study and live in Poland? [37]

More about salaries in Poland. No statistics, pure data. It is simple answers from users of wykop.pl portal. All salaries are in PLN and NET. I translated it through google translate:

Legal adviser in an international corporation 14 500 zł
Specialist. Treasury products in the bank 12 000 zł
Programmer (Warsaw) 10 000 zł (contract work)
Media buyer (marketing) 9500 zł
Programmer core banking system 9500 zł

appfunds.blogspot.com/2014/08/ile-zarabiamy-lista-plac-2014.html
Monitor   
27 Aug 2014
Work / What are the chances of getting a part-time job for an Egyptian who's coming to study and live in Poland? [37]

I was trying to tell Terri that if most people are below the average then how will the average be correct?? Anyway forget it becaus I think now we will confuse everyone.

So I am answering you instead of Terri. The proportion of people below and above average has nothing to do with average correctness.

And I don't know why you undermine Terris statement:

Question
Do you ACTUALLY have an idea of how AVERAGE WAGE/SALARY works?
Answer
I can tell you straight off-the-cuff that 85% of people earn WELL BELOW the average, 10% earn the average and the rest above average.

it's ruffly correct.

So you either don't know about statistic or you cannot ask logical questions.
Monitor   
27 Aug 2014
Work / What are the chances of getting a part-time job for an Egyptian who's coming to study and live in Poland? [37]

if 75 % of people are below the average, then where does this average come from?

After you write that again I am quite sure that you don't understand what average is. In most of countries big majority earns less than average and it's completely normal. Or what do you mean by asking where does the average come from? Average is an equation and to give you example (although why would I if you studied statistics):

If 9 out of 10 people earn 1000USD and 10th earn 100 0000 USD then average salary is 10 900 USD. And yet 90% people earn less. This is where the average come from so high. From very high salaries of few percent of population and high salaries of another 10 - 20% of rich.

The salary distribution is right-skewed, therefore more people earn less than the average gross salary.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

You really did not know that?
Monitor   
25 Aug 2014
Work / What are the chances of getting a part-time job for an Egyptian who's coming to study and live in Poland? [37]

@Szczecinianin: but number of jobs for foreigners without good Polish is limited: language teachers, various call center staff, programmers, farm workers, construction, cleaning. There are also managing positions, but they are not advertised and foreigners there are transferred from foreign branches of multinational companies. So it could be quite a big number of foreign employees, because Poland is a big country in European comparison, but with current job market it's very unlikely for a foreigner to work for example in human resources.
Monitor   
25 Aug 2014
Work / What are the chances of getting a part-time job for an Egyptian who's coming to study and live in Poland? [37]

For example the average salary for Engineers could be different than the average salary for doctors, HR professionals, teachers, etc. Right? :)

Yes, but it's not a job which student can get. And foreigners mostly need to know Polish language perfect, otherwise will not stand competition of locals.

Also, my MBA is 2 years long so I think if I take language courses during that time and live in Poland (interacting with locals), it should give me enough time to master the language, no? :)

Only to learn basics. In order to get working proficiency you would have to study for 2 years very strong. You won't have time for that when studying and working part time. Even after that you will not be able to work in places, where speaking & writing in Polish is important, because it's quite hard to master Polish, and you won't stand competition for a job with Poles who already know the language perfect.

This is actually a good thing because if the salaries are low than the prices should be low.

But it's mostly services prices what corresponds salary levels. Prices of food, electronics are similar in Germany and Poland although polish wages are few times lower. Before war in Ukraine, rents in biggest cities were higher than in Polish, although salaries few times lower.

By the way someone left a comment earlier and I replied, he said something about "mirroring arab countries so Poland is not a bad option"

it's just racism against Muslim people.

What did you graduate? You seem no to have idea about statistics. Read about difference between median and average.
Here you see how many people earned what in 2010 (gross):



Part time jobs are not desk jobs, but physical one. There knowledge of Polish and physical strength is mostly important. Companies don't employ people for part time desk jobs, because they can employ graduates for minimum salary and full time instead, which is cheaper.

Using GDP per capita based on purchasing-power-parity, a Pole is 50% richer than a Turk and 3 times richer than an Egyptian. IMF data:

Turkey has low average, because eastern parts are less developed and populated. When you look at west coast cities, then it's level of Poland. I was in Bursa myself and can tell from experience. And Numbeo confirms it:

numbeo/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Poland&country2=Turkey&city1=Poznan&city2=Bursa
Monitor   
22 Aug 2014
Work / What are the chances of getting a part-time job for an Egyptian who's coming to study and live in Poland? [37]

It's not worth it, you will not get managing position as not European anyway and learning language up to working level is min 2 years of very hard studying. It's hard to learn Polish language for somebody out of Slavic language group up to the level useful in professions where speaking is important.

@ terri: Why is it difficult to get a part-time job as an international student?

Not very difficult if the student can learn basic Polish very fast and is ready to work illegally for 1uer per hour on a farm. Minimum salary in Poland is less than 300 eur net. Student without Polish language has no chance for more especially that has no time to work full time.

@DominicB: I'm not planning to finance my studies by working, I just want to gain some experience to get an idea of the work culture and add something to my cv, etc.

It's unlikely that you will get desk job part time without Polish language. Only programmers have some chance.

Really? According to my research it is actually a high-income well-developed country, one of the few that did not fall into recession during the famous recession of the EU.

It's mostly high income, because prices are low, so they mean purchasing power. As you said Katowice is not much more expensive than Cairo. But when it comes to salaries then they're not high. Most of people, many engineers too, earn only 500 eur net. Most of people in smaller cities don't earn more than mentioned minimum salary - 300 eur. Is it interesting salary for foreigners? I don't think so.

Have you seen this map:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage
Monitor   
22 Aug 2014
Work / What are the chances of getting a part-time job for an Egyptian who's coming to study and live in Poland? [37]

17.is a student of full-time studies in Poland studying on the basis of a residence permit issued for the purpose of continuing tertiary education in Poland for the full year;"

It seems that you're right and I was telling people wrong before. Point 16 says:

16.is a student of full-time tertiary studies inPoland studying on the basis of a visa in the months of July, August and September - what are full-time studies? ->

so I thought that only work in summer is allowed. Anyway without Polish language you have chance for physical work only, like: cleaning, selling fast food, or working on farm, (if you manage to learn some Polish very fast). For some office job, like call center you would need to be able work full time.

I chose Poland because it is more affordable and living expenses in Katowice are similar to Cairo.

But your MBA diploma will be worthless. You will not get employed in Poland without the language and abroad Polish diplomas have no brand.