News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

I dare you to go and tell that to a rape victim. You know they Sejm haven't ruled out the possibility of banning abortion in cases or rape?

While were talking about actions, consequence and responsibility, would you be happy for your child to forego emergency treatment if he or she falls off a cliff? Yes? I'm sure you know he or she shouldn't have been playing there in the first place. S/he knew the consequences. It shouldn't be society's tax bill picking up the pieces.

If you get tapeworm, I hope you take your own advice, and just let them live out the natural process of their lives. Really, you should think of that before eating pork.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


My presumptions are sound. The majority of the "force em though it" lot here are men. You can tell by the icons next to the username. Furthermore it's the Sejm - a bunch of men - dictating and pontificating to women about their actions, consequences and responsibilities whilst ignoring their own. I don't see many of the sejm asking women of child bearing age their opinions on the matter.


Ok! So if it's about facing the consequences I take it you'd be quite happy not to give any medical treatment to a child who has fallen down a cliff, by your logic s/he should have been more careful in playing around cliffs the first place, right? If his/her bones happen to fuse badly, or suffers some kind of mental trauma due to the incident, then he/she should just get on with it. I've got you. Actions -> Consequences. Deal with it.

Furthermore, if I happen to eat something bad and develop tapeworm, I should just let them live in me cos I shouldn't have eaten that tasty bit of pork in the first place... right?


YOU UTTER GENIUS! I've never thought of that before! WHAT A F***ING REVELATION! If *only* I'd thought of that sooner! A round of applause for that man!

Aside from the repugnancy of you actually telling me what to do with my body, and aside from the fact that this thread isn't about my personal circumstances, I've got a bit of news for you... I've asked for the 'snipsnip', In fact I asked two doctors. None of the doctors agreed to it. They said "I might change my mind" and also, it's standard practice not to give any unnecessary medical treatment to women of child bearing age. What's your next bright idea... genius?


.......... aaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're back to the emotive language again.

Baby (from the Oxford English dictionary.....

noun (plural babies)

1a very young child: his wife's just had a baby [as modifier]: a baby girl
a very younganimal: bats only have one baby a year [as modifier]: baby rabbits
the youngest member of a family or group: Clara was the baby of the family
a timid or childish person: 'Don't be such a baby!' she said witheringly

So I'm sorry, technically a foetus is not a child but who cares about one small technicality!!!!

I think I'll just go back to calling foeti parasites. It's just as technically flawed.... but really, who cares about one small technicality.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


I'll answer your question when you answer mine. I fully expect no response. But seeing as I asked mine first, it's only fair isn't it?.

If you think a woman should be forced to go through bodily trauma because she "behaved like an animal", what traumatic equivalent should the man be forced to go through? Possibly paying 50zl a week for a child you didn't want doesn't come near the same scale as having the equivalent of hormone treatment for 9 months, then having to push out a watermelon through a hole the size of a saucer.

Surely a man should suffer an equal punishment for his reckless behaviour, seeing as you are quite happy to force this onto a woman? Or do the man's actions somehow not count?

You told me I was a "quasi-human", so tell me, what have you done to make the world a better place recently? Given up months of your free time working at the Red Cross washing wheelchairs? Perhaps you've given up a few Christmases for the homeless? Visited any orphanages recently and given these unwanted babies the emotional attention and love they so desperately crave, I mean, you wanted them born in the first place, perhaps you've helped these poor children? Given your time to any mental health charities? I mean, you're quite happy for women (but not men) to acquire a whole set of mental health issues.

At the moment it seems that you're all for dishing the dirt to the vulnerable in society but seem to give back very little. I wait with baited breath.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

What has this got to do with men in suits in the Sejm forcing some women through bodily trauma, yet doing nothing to help with the aftermath?

Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't punish people for making mistakes? Wouldn't it be nice if compassion and freedom was legislated? Wouldn't it be nice if people with control issues didn't want to dictate to everyone their own black and white version of morality, and just, you know, got on with taking the bits of log out of their own eyes?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

There are an infinite number of outcomes to one's life so I don't like this option a) or b) nonsense.

If a girl wants a child, and feels that she has no choice BUT to abort, then it's a terrible shame, and society should have safeguards there to ensure that abortion is not made through a "no other choice" option. However.... neither should we be forcing women to go through pregnancy if she feels that she cant handle it, will suffer mentally, or simply desperately wants not to have a child (there are some women who don't want to have children, take all the precautions, and still end up pregnant).

Forcing a person to do anything is always unsavoury be that forced abortion OR forced pregnancy.


This is a line regularly trotted out by the anti-abortion lobby. However there is NO evidence to suggest that abortion is a primary contraceptive in any country where it is legalised. What woman in her right mind would have abortion after abortion just because she can? It's a nonsense, and if these women do exist I'm sure that they don't even reach the 1% mark.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Don't give them ideas.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


I know. I hate these kinds of threads.

The reason I think it's my duty to post on these type of threads is that many people come to this site looking for information about Poland. Living here, I don't want these potential visitors to think that all Poles are superstitious hardline nutters, bound by whatever falls out of the church's mouth. We need some kind of balance here. We aren't all afraid of the big woo-woo.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Tell that to the homeless people (real living people) I give up my Christmases for. What have you done for anyone lately? Oh that's right. I forgot, you want to emotionally and physically traumatise women (but not men) for making a mistake, or behaving in a way that you judge unfit. You're right. It's me who has no humanity. None, whatsoever.

Re: parasites

A foetus is as much a parasite as it is a baby. Both terms are technically incorrect but equally emotive. Is emotivity only allowed on one side of the divide? Should I stop talking to anybody who calls a foetus a "baby" or a "child"? Are you going to reprimand any of the anti-abortionists for use of such emotive terms?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Sorry, I realised that and deleted the offending aggression but you saw it. Damn!

Anyway, the "think of the baby" or "hang 'em high" lot are ones for using emotive language. If they can bandy about such emotive terms as "baby" and "murder", why not add "parasite" into the mix? If anything it just livens up the debate ;)

Either way, I've never wanted children, much to the disappointment of my Mother-in-law. People have been telling me my whole life (since the age of 5 - I knew then) that I'd change my mind. I found that rather offensive. I haven't changed my mind yet.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Ahh, I see for you it's about punishing women. You've sidestepped paying for these children very well. So now it's "You shouldn't have done it, now suffer the consequences"! You are truly a delight, aren't you?

You do realise that it takes two to start an unwanted pregnancy? What do you suppose the "punishment" be for men who also take part in "behaving like animals"? Shall we cut off their willies? If you're of the "punish the irresponsible" mindset I'm sure you'll approve of this new measure. Should I propose it to the Sejm?


I think the ability to survive independently is a pretty good starting point. Either way most abortions happen in the first eight weeks when the foetus is about as big as a raspberry and looks like a tadpole. I doubt it could survive independently or is capable of any kind of thought process.


If she did, I'd have never existed so it would have been no loss to me. According to some theories there are millions of parallel universes where I didn't exist, so you can at least be a little pleased that there's a world somewhere that I don't exist or may have even been aborted! Lucky you Grzegorz!


It's easy to talk like that because it's true.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

LOL at the people (mainly men, I presume) wanting to force women through unwanted bodily trauma. These people claim they are in it for the "benefit of the child" and usually think that it somehow benefits the mother in the long term too. This faux Trisha Goddard/Jeremy Kyle impersonation of "Won't SOMEBODY think of likkle baby" needs to stop.

When the pregnancy is completed most unwanted babies will go through their lives in the hell-holes otherwise known as Polish orphanages where this child receives minimal contact,and minimal socialisation, and no love - because its simply not affordable to the state.

If the child doesn't end up in the orphanage it will end up with a mother who neither wants it or loves it (and in fact will probably look on it with some kind of resentment), and a mother complete with brand new mental health issues due to this forced trauma. Statistics also show the child will probably end up living a life of poverty with very little hope, and will also acquire their own psychological issues.

My question to the anti abortion advocates for Poland is (and I truly want this answered) If you give so much of a hoot about the unwanted children's lives in Poland how regularly do you give to charities that provide care for children in Polish orphanages? How often do you physically help struggling mothers with mental health issues?

If, as I suspect, the answer is "never" you can stop being so evangelical about the situation. You have brought suffering to two lives in the world, where there would have been none. You prove by actions how much you care, not by words and your actions prove you are causing more pain in the world than you would like to believe. It also proves that this issue is purely about control!

Shame on the Sejm, really. Have they upped the budget for women dealing with trauma? Have they upped the budget for orphanages? No? Then it's about control and nothing more. Stupid control based on a fairy tale, and forced down our throats by a religion we neither believe or care for.

If I were to ever become preganat whilst I'm living here, I'd be on the 1st flight back to the UK to expel the unwanted parasite feeding off my body. If that's shocking then tough - not unless you'd be willing to maintain my child for life, pay for the birth, and provide me with the years of psychological treatment I'd no doubt need after being forced to go through such a thing - and probably my child's too. "Won't somebody think of the likkle baby"? - indeed!

And for those nutters that still bandy about murder as if it has some kind of meaning in this situation, the word "murder" has a clear definition and is not just subject to what you reckon it means. Just to clear up a common error:

Abortion is not murder.
Manslaughter is not murder.
Death by dangerous driving is not murder.
A sausage roll is not murder.

Law / Opening a Polish Bank Account by a foreigner in Poland. Recommendations. [299]

I opened one with the PEKAO SA bank.

I didn't have a residency or Pesel, and opened both a GBP and PLN account.

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I'm quite amazed that as this is THE most studied period in modern history, no respected historian has yet discovered this bombshell.

Has the OP considered a career at Oxford University?

News / Topless sunbathers acquitted in Szczecin, Poland [128]


To be honest there is no finer use of language than an aptly put swearword in the right place. A gentlemanly swear. Not a tirade of barley understandable expletives.


Effin and blindin in a willy nilly way is ridiculous. Poles swear plenty. They just do it in a more refined way.

History / Anyone know the name, if true... .... Polish Royal heir [40]

That's a shame. I wouldn't have minded bagging myself a smokin' hot Polish prince. Massive sad face. :(

History / Anyone know the name, if true... .... Polish Royal heir [40]

There was a program on the BBC a couple of years ago about 3 princes looking for love called "undercover princes".

The last episode featured two minutes of a Polish prince called "Jakub Puzyna", he was HOT! Probably of royal heritage but there hasn't been a Polish King for 200 odd years. Certainly not the dude you're after. Still....

News / Topless sunbathers acquitted in Szczecin, Poland [128]


BWAH HA HA HA! HAHAHAHAHAH! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

How about a site run by American lawyers for American lawyers then? Just for you. Cos you seem to be unable to search Google by yourself.

criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/indecent-exposure.html

Are you really at Uni? God help your lecturers.


Or pop down to the sklep and reach for the top shelves....

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

kaposta, kulcs.

Makes polish a bit easer for me than my English speaking friends. Not much easier though!

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


It's one of the ONLY redeeming features of learning the language. It has no genders, but try mastering the "vowel harmony" system.

I think you'll be begging for the return of genders.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


Guess again. I speak Hungarian fluently and Polish is a real minefield for me, even though I completely get what case endings are about most linguists agree on 14 cases in the Hungarian language (Polish has 7). At the moment I'm struggling with simple sentences, particularly with gender declination and animate vs. inanimate declinations. Hungarian has no gender - so that doesn't help me.

It's not always obvious which case follows which verbs either.

I think Hungarian probably is harder for most people to learn than Polish, but not by much - it's not a competition. The two languages aren't really that similar at all, although they do share some common lexis.

It really all depends on what your mother tongue is.

News / Communist era 'newspeak' appeals the most to Poland PiS supporters (what a surprise) [89]


You say that, but I have a teacher friend who has a colleague (also a teacher) whom is a staunch PiS supporter.

My mate says this woman regularly flunks her kids if they say anything bad about PiS. A bit disgraceful really, but there you go!

Seems that scared, reactionary people exist in the educated elite as well.

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Have you ever been to the Eagle's nest?

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Actually, it's called fascism. Communism is a different kettle of fish, although one can be fascist and communist - like Stalin.

Agree with you on the rest though, stupid law is stupid, and fascism is baaad m'kay.

Having said that, worryingly, most of the world is veering towards more fascistic tendencies of late - including the gun totin' U S of A.

As you were.