TheOther
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]
Traitor or not - they were still Poles.
anyhow any real Pole taking part in soviet apparatus was traitor
Traitor or not - they were still Poles.
TheOther
18 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]
One could as well argue that some of our Polish patriots here are twisting the history of other countries just to make Poland's past look better.
But when the bashers with their questionable motives get to twisting Her history...
One could as well argue that some of our Polish patriots here are twisting the history of other countries just to make Poland's past look better.
TheOther
18 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]
You cannot weigh achievements against crimes.
We shouldn't downplay their achievements and should always see the broader context in which they were won.
You cannot weigh achievements against crimes.
TheOther
12 Aug 2010
History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [196]
Roosevelt and Stalin didn't take Churchill serious anyway. For them he was probably just a wimp who had to be grateful that his country had been bailed out once again by its former colonies.
Roosevelt and Stalin didn't take Churchill serious anyway. For them he was probably just a wimp who had to be grateful that his country had been bailed out once again by its former colonies.
TheOther
9 Jun 2010
History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]
Waiting for the usual suspects to appear... :)
the obsession with the Polish past and then even worse a falsified version of it.
Waiting for the usual suspects to appear... :)
TheOther
8 Jun 2010
History / Why Poles love Russia [105]
I suggest that you read "Mein Kampf". The chap that wrote it had similar ideas.
crimes and misdeeds of a genetically flawed semi-Slavic/semi-Mongol nation
I suggest that you read "Mein Kampf". The chap that wrote it had similar ideas.
TheOther
2 Jun 2010
Genealogy / Poland Genealogy Resources [130]
The main page seems to be this one: polona.pl/dlibra
Overview: dlibra.psnc.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Ite mid=27&lang=en
The main page seems to be this one: polona.pl/dlibra
Overview: dlibra.psnc.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Ite mid=27&lang=en
TheOther
2 Jun 2010
Genealogy / Poland Genealogy Resources [130]
And a high percentage in German.
Most of the documents are in Polish, some Latin
And a high percentage in German.
TheOther
2 Jun 2010
Genealogy / Old Polish Prayer Book-Chlib Duszi [14]
There was no Poland in 1891.
She was born in Poland in 1891
There was no Poland in 1891.
TheOther
26 May 2010
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]
Maybe the Polish journalists lack competence? I would say, Poland is definitely western ... western Siberia ... :)
Who cares whether Poland is an eastern or central European country?
If I read in western newspapers that poland is east europe then it comes to my mind journalist's lack of competence
Maybe the Polish journalists lack competence? I would say, Poland is definitely western ... western Siberia ... :)
Who cares whether Poland is an eastern or central European country?
TheOther
9 May 2010
Australia / Thinking about moving to Australia [39]
In what Bogan suburb do you live? Richmond, Campbelltown or Mulgrave?
In what Bogan suburb do you live? Richmond, Campbelltown or Mulgrave?
TheOther
4 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
Interesting read, although: after WW2 almost the whole population of Europe magically turned into resistance fighters. Nobody ever collaborated, they were all hiding in the woods fighting the evil Nazis.
Interesting read, although: after WW2 almost the whole population of Europe magically turned into resistance fighters. Nobody ever collaborated, they were all hiding in the woods fighting the evil Nazis.
TheOther
3 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
Not quite, Joe: jewishmuseum.org.pl/index.php?lang=en
"1000 years of the history of Polish Jews"
Notice: No 'Jewish Poles Museum' but 'Jews in Poland'
Not quite, Joe: jewishmuseum.org.pl/index.php?lang=en
"1000 years of the history of Polish Jews"
TheOther
3 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]
Would be difficult to get it across the Pacific anyway... :)
Would be difficult to get it across the Pacific anyway... :)
TheOther
3 May 2010
TheOther
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]
Raping civilians was tolerated by many officers of the Red Army. Only when it became too obvious what was going on, did they interfere and stop the atrocities. Tribunals? Yeah, maybe for some scapegoats.
There was an army tribunal for rapists in Soviet army.
Raping civilians was tolerated by many officers of the Red Army. Only when it became too obvious what was going on, did they interfere and stop the atrocities. Tribunals? Yeah, maybe for some scapegoats.
TheOther
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]
Child rapists are true heroes?
That is very true.
There are not criminals - they are true heroes and winners.
Child rapists are true heroes?
but it's a saying... victors are not judged
That is very true.
TheOther
24 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
David, you seem to have missed the point. The whole discussion was about whether Germany was a 'craphole' between 1300 and 1600, as Sok said, or not.
Well, better a few wars here and there than 50% of your entire population wiped out within a short period of time.
You saw that I wrote "Please correct me if I'm wrong", did you?
David, you seem to have missed the point. The whole discussion was about whether Germany was a 'craphole' between 1300 and 1600, as Sok said, or not.
Poland didn't have peace for more then 5 years in a row, do you also call that an advantage?
Well, better a few wars here and there than 50% of your entire population wiped out within a short period of time.
Wrong again
You saw that I wrote "Please correct me if I'm wrong", did you?
TheOther
24 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
Very simple: the cities of the Hanseatic League were trading centers. They serviced huge areas around them (including other cities and towns) and they were not only connected via shipping lines. Extensive land routes also existed.
The Hanseatic League is just one example of many why the Holy Roman Empire was not really a 'craphole' as you indicated, BTW.
Who was leading the catholic church in Poland (other than the pope, I mean)? The king? Would he be able to convert the whole clergy to the orthodox church?
how would they generate wealth...
Very simple: the cities of the Hanseatic League were trading centers. They serviced huge areas around them (including other cities and towns) and they were not only connected via shipping lines. Extensive land routes also existed.
The Hanseatic League is just one example of many why the Holy Roman Empire was not really a 'craphole' as you indicated, BTW.
including Poland turning to the orthodox church
Who was leading the catholic church in Poland (other than the pope, I mean)? The king? Would he be able to convert the whole clergy to the orthodox church?
TheOther
23 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
You're shooting yourself in the foot, my friend... :):):)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League
How were they able to ignore the Vatican?
That would be nice, thanks.
36 cities, yes really, read up on a subject instead of dropping a bomb hoping to make an impression
You're shooting yourself in the foot, my friend... :):):)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League
inquisition was practically not present in Poland
How were they able to ignore the Vatican?
but i could find you a german source
That would be nice, thanks.
TheOther
23 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
It's hard to believe that the Polish nobility behaved differently than their counterparts in Europe. Most of the people outside the cities were not peasants, but living in bondage - destined to be exploited and treated like slaves. AFAIK, that was also the case in Poland. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
Handful? Not really:
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hanse-Orden.png
If that would have been the case, why didn't Poland conquer colonies outside of Europe like the other bigshots did? Just curious.
Seriously? I've never heard that one before. Do you have any English sources for that? I'm really interested, as I've lost several ancestors to the bubonic plague.
there was a problem of wealth accumulation that at the time did not exist in Poland to such an extent
It's hard to believe that the Polish nobility behaved differently than their counterparts in Europe. Most of the people outside the cities were not peasants, but living in bondage - destined to be exploited and treated like slaves. AFAIK, that was also the case in Poland. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
The Hanseatic League was a handfull of cities
Handful? Not really:
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hanse-Orden.png
Except wealthier, more tolerant and the most militarily advanced
If that would have been the case, why didn't Poland conquer colonies outside of Europe like the other bigshots did? Just curious.
first of all polish people washed which is noted by several western chronicles as weird
Seriously? I've never heard that one before. Do you have any English sources for that? I'm really interested, as I've lost several ancestors to the bubonic plague.
TheOther
23 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
My point is that you didn't even bother to take a short look on the map of the Holy Roman Empire (of the German Nation) and what areas it incorporated. Some of them were the richest in Europe - both from a cultural and financial perspective. You also failed to mention the Hanseatic League, which was one of the richest and most powerful organzations of its time. And these are only two examples. Your claim that "In 1300s-1600s Germany was a pyss poor craphole" is simply incorrect.
Poland was pretty much on the same level as the rest of Europe, you're right, but I didn't deny that. Let's not forget though that Poland was also lucky, because it didn't get ravaged by the bubonic plague as the rest of Europe. That was a major advantage.
My point is that you didn't even bother to take a short look on the map of the Holy Roman Empire (of the German Nation) and what areas it incorporated. Some of them were the richest in Europe - both from a cultural and financial perspective. You also failed to mention the Hanseatic League, which was one of the richest and most powerful organzations of its time. And these are only two examples. Your claim that "In 1300s-1600s Germany was a pyss poor craphole" is simply incorrect.
Poland was pretty much on the same level as the rest of Europe, you're right, but I didn't deny that. Let's not forget though that Poland was also lucky, because it didn't get ravaged by the bubonic plague as the rest of Europe. That was a major advantage.
TheOther
22 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
Yep, we all know that Poland has been the most civilized nation in Europe since the beginning of time...
Yep, we all know that Poland has been the most civilized nation in Europe since the beginning of time...
TheOther
22 Apr 2010
USA, Canada / The proper behavior an American should show when visiting Poland [115]
As we can see on PF every day... ;)
Mostly it's about history, people get very offended and aggressive when some foreigners say things which are not as Poles were taught.
As we can see on PF every day... ;)
TheOther
17 Apr 2010
Food / Does beer have any "real" expire date? [39]
There is, but after 20 bottles you don't notice it any more. ;)
There's no such thing as bad beer.......
There is, but after 20 bottles you don't notice it any more. ;)
TheOther
7 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
I don't take Sok's personal attacks too serious, as we all know that he doesn't really mean it... ;)
Other than that he still owes me some numbers to prove his theory.
I had a theory... that's it
I don't take Sok's personal attacks too serious, as we all know that he doesn't really mean it... ;)
Other than that he still owes me some numbers to prove his theory.
TheOther
6 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
The guests might not want to parade under his portrait I would assume.
Wonder if they really leave the huge Stalin portraits out
The guests might not want to parade under his portrait I would assume.
TheOther
6 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
65 years after the war and still marching...
65 years after the war and still marching...
TheOther
6 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
I'm willing to learn, Sokrates. Now show me proof that 'so many peasants took part in the uprising'. I want to see exact numbers from independent, non-Polish sources, and I also want to see what the percentage of the total population was that actually participated in the uprising...
Which is exactly why so many peasants took part in Kościuszkos uprising
I'm willing to learn, Sokrates. Now show me proof that 'so many peasants took part in the uprising'. I want to see exact numbers from independent, non-Polish sources, and I also want to see what the percentage of the total population was that actually participated in the uprising...
TheOther
6 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]
The uprisings are always brought up as "proof" that all Poles saw themselves as an occupied nation seeking freedom and independence. Why this might be true for certain parts of society (mainly in the cities), I believe that the majority of the population wasn't politicized at all and just lived their lifes the best they could. The "patriotism" and "nationalism" during the 1772-1918 time frame that is mentioned here so often is political propaganda - nothing more. Why should Polish politicians have been any better than their counterparts in Prussia/ German Empire or Russia?
That is (I think) one of the main reason Poles in general saw themselves as "citizens of an Empire" as the borders of the country stretched itself a bit more then the main population was.
The uprisings are always brought up as "proof" that all Poles saw themselves as an occupied nation seeking freedom and independence. Why this might be true for certain parts of society (mainly in the cities), I believe that the majority of the population wasn't politicized at all and just lived their lifes the best they could. The "patriotism" and "nationalism" during the 1772-1918 time frame that is mentioned here so often is political propaganda - nothing more. Why should Polish politicians have been any better than their counterparts in Prussia/ German Empire or Russia?