Posts by pawian - page 289

pawian

24 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Slovaks first [7]

Poles think that Slovaks should apologise for invading Poland together with the nazis in 1939,

You are lying as usual. There is no such thinking in Poland. Ha! Hardly anybody remembers Slovak participation in 1939 attack except historians and history teachers. :):)

It seems you are intent on lying in every post/thread produced today. :):)

pawian

24 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Turks first [7]

so now grin and bear it.

I can`t bear it when you are lying about Poland and Poles. :):)

You said: Poles think that Turks should apologise for their genocidal crimes on the Polish nation,
which is not true and needed correction. I just offered it. :).

pawian

24 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Turks first [7]

Poles should apologise to Ukrainians

Stop taking this thread off topic. It is about Turks, not Ukrainians. :):):) Are you drunk so early in the morning? Or are you a compulsive liar who needs to start a day with lying?? :):):)

pawian

24 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

It was Poles who started the expansion eastward against Ruthenians, not the other way round.

At the beginning of the 11th century the Polish state got consolidated enough and its first king, Boleslaw the Bold, decided to make it even stronger through expansion. He tried to expand in various directions - west, south and east. But it turned out that Germans in the West were too powerful while Czechs too close to Germans. The eastern direction was a much better option - Chrobry attacked and annexed the so called Cherven Cities in western Ruthenia.

Poland in his times: pink colour is Polish state in 993 when Boleslaw started his rule. The red line shows the border in 1025 when he died. The yellow colour shows expansion - light yellow shows the territory he temporarily annexed but lost, dark yellow - annexed and kept. Cherven Cities in the east.

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pawian

24 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Turks first [7]

Poles think that Turks should apologise for their genocidal crimes on the Polish nation,

You are lying as usual. There is no such thinking in Poland. Are you still living in Ireland that you don`t know what Poles think?? :):):

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]

Since the 80's many wonder how he can afford his rather extravagant lifestyle while having no permanent employment

He successfully played bridge for money during communism. When the system collapsed, he became a professional MP. Finally, he became a EU Parliament member. Simple.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]

And please don't call him nationalist

I didn`t. I called him a different name. :):)

He's monarchist

Yes, that is another reason why I called him a crazy. A monarchist in a country where the last king ruled at the end of 18th century??? Please......

his views on women role in the society - and everything else - are very, very conservative.

Too conservative. Times, people and societies change but he refuses to notice it.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]

Korwin with Braun alone are the most uncontrollable and unpredictable elements in Polish politics

Crazies, shortly speaking. :):) Do you remember that photo Korwin posted showing how he smelled his socks??? hahahaha

Konfa will be the "kingmaker",

I will pray to avoid this scenario. It will be a disaster for Poland. First rightists from PiS, then crazies and nationalists from Konfa.

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pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

they unveil another bust in Bandera's or in his butcher's honor.

Some Poles celebrate their own murderers. And?

Maybe when looking in the mirror each morning

Being a decent person, I have no problem with it. Ha!

*But you can be an annoying

Yes, I am stoutly pro Ukrainian. Have always been, ask Iron. When Ukraine declared independence and Poland acknowledged it as first, I was the happiest person.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

good Russian people

Nope. Russians take their origin from the Duchy of Moscow, while Poles colonised Ruthenians, today Ukrainians.

Should we apologise for that too?

We should apologise for everything! It was Poles who started the expansion eastward against Ruthenians, not the other way round.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

I just gave you a taste of your own medicine.

Too late. I was first with the taste of your own dish in post 18. Ha!

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

Let`s look closer at historical events.

1/ for the colonisation of Rus territory, later called Western Ukraine.

It started in 11th century. Prince Chrobry, later the first king of Poland, attacked Red Ruthenia and captured Kiev in 1018. The famous act of striking his sword against the Golden Gate of Kyiv gave a rise to the legend of Szczerbiec, the Jagged Sword, the exhibit kept in the Wawel Castle Museum as one of the most precious artefacts in Poland.

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pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

could do nothing better than propagate Pawian's thread to achieve his aim

Do you really think my views are so rare in Poland??? :):):)
So, apologies are needed but to each other, not only from Ukrainians.

I will repeat

Remember my multiple requests to you for explanation yesterday? Now it is my turn to play your own game. :):):) Ha! You shall taste your own dish.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

I am feeling fleeting urge to support Russia, to kill some Ukrainians.

That`s bad. :):) But it seems you have got lost a little. Why Ukrainians? They didn`t steal our lands during the partitions as the anthem suggests, it was Russians.

you achieved something

Yes, I am known for that. :):)

#10? :)

I already answered your question about atrocities in post No 6. Read in the middle of it.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

then claim to be a moral superpower

Why do you bring up Germany if that`s what Poles love doing - always playing victims hurt by their evil greedy neighbours. . But in case of Ukraine and Belarus it is a false game, I am afraid. How about looking the truth in the eye? In Ukraine Poles were oppressors and partitioners. Demanding an apology without even a slightest thought of apologising as first is pathetic.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

Can you name another nation that threatens a specific neighbor with violence in its national anthem?

Yes, it is the Polish anthem in which we sing about retrieving with sabres what foreign powers stole from us during partitions.

Far right political movements in Ukraine like Right Sector openly make territorial demands toward Poland,

While Polish nationalists still dream about Lviv and other. So what?

Czerwona Kalina (Red viburnum) in Polish cities (youtube.com/watch?v=im9EL4AuCzg), the unofficial anthem of fascist UPA organization

Was it created specifically by UPA or OUN as their anthem? No, they only adopted it. Should we condemn and erase every song which is adopted by evil people????

PS. can you make your posts a bit shorter???. There is a limit of three quotes per post and I have just reached it, having to skip commenting on our views in point 4

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

Don't you dare apologise in the name of the nation

I gladly will. Here you are:
Dear Ukrainians, I earnestly apologise to you for the Polish stubborn colonisation and polonisation of your lands and peoples living in Red Ruthenia later called Ukraine.

See, it is possible. When there is a will, there is always a way! Ha!

the Czechs for Zaolzie,

This has already been settled. :):)

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

banderist atrocities

Banderist atrocities were a direct result of the Polish occupation of western Ukraine - the occupation which prevented the creation of an independent state which Ukrainians had desired for centuries.

No atrocities can be justified, neither Polish or Ukrainian. But when we look at the chronology of events and stick to it in the apologising process, Poles should take the first step.

Don't you know that nobody wants any apology from ukis they can shove it.

I have different info about it. Are you still staying in Poland or moved back to North America??? :):):)

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

I am shocked,

Yes, but this is history which happened. When I develop point 3, namely the brutal polonisation of Ukrainian minority which took place in the 20th century, you will be even more shocked.

That is why many Ukrainians today, not even bandera supporters, are surprised to hear that Poles demand any apology from them coz they would prefer to see Poles apologise for centuries of oppression.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Poles should apologise to Ukrainians first [487]

In 1960s, communist times, Polish bishops issued a declaration which initiated German Polish reconciliation - "we forgive and ask for forgiveness." Their initiative shocked most Poles, coz it was a short time after WW2 when Germans were still viewed as murderous beasts.

Today Poland needs a similar gesture concerning Ukraine.

Poles are demanding that Ukrainians should apologise for their genocidal crimes on the Polish nation during WW2. However, most Poles prefer to forget that it was Poland which attacked and oppressed western Ukraine, called Red Ruthenia or Red Rus, for centuries.

Poles should apologise first!! What for?

1/ for the colonisation of Rus territory, later called Western Ukraine.
2/ for the enslavement of Rus peoples.
3/ for suppressing Ukrainian attempts to create their own independent state
3/ for the brutal polonisation campaign directed against Ukrainian minority in the interwar period of 1920s - 30s.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

But I admitted it straight away some posts later.

Too late. You did it after I took up the discussion. The milk had already spilled. Ha!

to ascribe bad intentions to people is astounding.

Still azholing??? :):):) It was easy to detect your bad intentions. It was enough to read the name of the thread. Ha!

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]

jokes about provincial Poland.

This isn`t a joke but scientifically proven fact about Konfa voters. We already talked about it in other threads.

But, their predicted results oscillate between 8 and 15%. 8% is normal for them, 15 is a temporary hype so I wouldn`t worry so much.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

Ukraine is not one bit less corrupt than Russia and their oligarchs are not one bit less greedy. .

I know about corruption in Ukraine. But it was you who mentioned only Ukrainian oligarchs in one of your initial posts, cleverly omitting the case of Polish business people who bought the grain. That is why I still correctly claim you are lying and manipulating in this thread.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

I noticed you ignored this:

I noticed it but skipped commenting on coz it was enough when I refuted one false view. Do I have to refute all your false views which you include in one post???? :):):)

If you demand, I will say it now: no, it is a wrong supposition, meant purely for provocation which you are infamous for. :):):)

what would that number be in your opinion?

about 15%, a normal amount in any country.

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

Of course, and some of those businesses were - surprise, surprise - connected with PiS politicians.

So why did you write those stupidities about Ukrainian oligarchs who were to blame for the grain scandal?

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

Ukrainians are fighting because they are forced to fight by their own.

Stop this bs. They are fighting bravely like Poles were fighting during WW2. This is called patriotism. . .

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

that I won't criticise them for anything.

Crticism of Ukrainians is OK but not during a war with a deadly enemy which desires to erase Ukraine from the map. There will be time for critical approach after the war.

Really?

Kania, Iron, stop your pathetic antiUkrainian azholing, Ukrainians are fighting and bleeding also for Poland. The price of blood they are paying excuses everything stupid they might say about us. Simply speaking, fekk off Ukraine when there is a war.

If not, I will consider you stinking azholes and treat likewise. You have been warned, azholes. Ha!!!

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Despicable Ukrainian lies [144]

They took a big step too far

yes, they decided to oppose the power that Russia was. You dislike them for that? After all, most Polish nationalists have always sided with Russia. You are not an exception. That is one of the reasons I reject your nationalistische beliefs - they verge on treason which is lethally dangerous to the existence of Poland. .

pawian

23 Jul 2023

News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]

You talking to me???

pawian

23 Jul 2023

History / Cursed soldiers controvercy - not all Poles respect them [320]

A few weeks ago there was again controvercy about Świętokrzyska Brygada.

This topic of Brygada Świętokrzyska, cursed soldiers who collaborated with Nazi Germans, surfaces in the forum from time to time. We talked about it in this thread in 2019, starts here:

https://polishforums.com/history/cursed-soldiers-controvercy-poles-respect-84588/4/#msg1711283

They were anticommunists who fought against fellow Poles and Jews rather than Germans. At the end of the war they withdrew westward under German patronage.