The BEST Guide to POLAND
Unanswered  |  Archives [3] 
  
Account: Guest

Posts by TheOther  

Joined: 13 Jul 2009 / Male ♂
Warnings: 1 - A		 Last Post: 27 Jul 2024
Threads: Total: 6 / Live: 1 / Archived: 5
Posts: Total: 3596 / Live: 951 / Archived: 2645

Displayed posts: 952 / page 28 of 32
sort: Latest first   Oldest first   |
TheOther   
8 Aug 2011
UK, Ireland / Why Poles will never belong in England [283]

Pierdolski -- Furthermore, Saxony is in Poland.

Last time I looked it was in Germany... :)

Besides, Anglo-Saxons didn't originate in Poland:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxons
TheOther   
3 Aug 2011
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

Des Essientes said: I am proud of my people's contrarian nature. I am proud of our anarchical spirit ... we tend to be physically attractive

Yeah, you're such a good looking anarchist, and always so "contrarian" when your boss tells you what to do... :)
TheOther   
2 Aug 2011
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

I am not sure where your at with Polish history at this point you have said three different things in the same few posts. you said you liked it, your sick of it and you think its boring

I like history. I'm sick of ultra-nationalistic and/or racist posts. The latter are boring. All clear now? :)

Going to have a coffee now...
TheOther   
2 Aug 2011
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

everyones Opinion is valuable.. but if you say, well I am tired of it all, thats not an Opinion thats just plain whining.

Too easy, Patrycja. You're long enough on PF to know that the forums are overwhelmed and consumed by nationalistic history threads/ posts. No matter what you discuss, there will always be some smartass showing up who hijacks the thread with a post that the Jews are evil, that Poland was always a victim, and on top of that spouts some WW2 crap. I'm simply sick of this sh*t, because it ruins PF and it gives Poland a bad reputation.
TheOther   
2 Aug 2011
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

and how do you know they dont talk about it all the time?

Common sense? If people would talk about it all the time, they would be diagnosed with a mental disorder, and the Polish people I know are definitely not sick (and they don't ramble on about history either).

dont you think your expectations are a little high to think people wont talk about it here?

Patrycja, I actually enjoy discussions about history. But not constantly, and certainly not in the way it is discussed by the "Poland, Poland über alles" crowd here.

PS: check your PM.
TheOther   
2 Aug 2011
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

thats not what he said, he said they are proud of their accomplishments.. what they went thru to get to today.

And that's not living in the past? Obsession with something that happened centuries ago? Repeating those "great accomplishments" over and over and over again? What you see here on PF is not normal. But then, there are hardly any real Poles on this forum anyway, so I'm not too worried about Poland... :)

and pretty much all countries and people have a past.

Yes, they do, and most are even proud of their countries. But they don't talk about it all the time.

being beautiful with their Slavic good looks

And you are a prime example, right? Ha ha ha!
TheOther   
1 Aug 2011
History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]

EdWilczynski --- With hindsight, it is easy for those that weren't there to label it as a catastrophe.

That's all we can do nowadays. Would be interesting to see though how survivors and the military saw the uprising immediately after the war (I mean, a propaganda-free view of it, if there was any).
TheOther   
1 Aug 2011
History / Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ? [515]

Lyzko --- A triumph of spirit indoubitably.

At what cost, and for what?

Pawian --- From 120.000 to 200.000 civilians died, about 18.000 insurgents were killed in action or executions. 25% of left-bank Warsaw was destroyed in the Rising, next 35% afterwards. With 10% destruction from 1939 and 10% of Ghetto area razed to the ground, literally, Warsaw practically ceased to exist.

Sikorski was right that the Warsaw Rising was a national catastrophe.
TheOther   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [157]

The point is I will not accept stipulations and estimations based on tin air!

So in essence you are telling me that you will not accept any number or any source, as long as it can't tell you exactly how many Germans were killed, when and where - if possible with a name, photo, eye witness report and accompanying death certificate? Well, I guess we can retire all historians then...
TheOther   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [157]

Do you those 500 000 death want to blame on Poles?

You cannot deny the fact that there was a large number of casualties amongst German civilians after the end of the war. Somebody was responsible for these deaths, and Poland is one of the parties that were directly involved.
TheOther   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [157]

Show me a single source of the £ambinowice camp being used by Poles against Germans?

"A transit camp, run by the Ministry of Internal Security and commanded by Czesław Gęborski (later put on trial for crimes against humanity for his actions in the camp), was also created nearby, serving as an internment, labor and resettlement camp for German Silesians,[2] as a "verification" point for Silesians,[2] as well as a camp for former veterans of the Anders' Polish II Corps, whom the new communist authorities of Poland saw as dangerous. Out of 8000[3] internees, it is estimated that between 1000 and 1,500 German civilians died in the camp,[2][3][4] mostly by typhus and maltreatment[2] from camp officials."

/wiki/%C5%81ambinowice
TheOther   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [157]

Not at all, you're biased against Poland and will attempt to twist the facts to point in the direction you want and the direction you want is to make Poland look bad regardless of the topic at hand, you believe Poles deserve less and will attempt to prove so by lies and underhanded rhetoric every time.

Hey, that counts as a personal insult. Quod erat demonstrandum... ;)

Maybe Palivec was right?
So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think?
TheOther   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [157]

I agree that information from Wikipedia has to be taken with a grain of salt, but in this case the whole article was full of links to the sources from which the quotes were taken. You might not believe one source, but do you really want to argue that all sources are only there to put Poland in a bad light?

The Other does not really care since he's on a mission to force Poles to see it his way even though his way is horribly unjust and disgustingly unethical (but only when it comes to Poland).

Back to square one (post #24):
"Every time there is even the slightest criticism of Poland, you can bet that someone will either respond with a personal insult or answer with a "but".".

You seem to be the perfect example... :)
TheOther   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [157]

Really.

You are joking, right? Half a million was on the lower end of the estimates, and you know that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_estimates_of_the_flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans

It was just punishment.

No, it wasn't. Poland got German territory in return for the lost lands in the east, that was all. The Soviets could as well have showed you the finger when it comes to compensation.
TheOther   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [157]

You use incorrect term of ethnic cleaning to describe what happened after 1945.

Damn, editing times out so quickly.

"The events have been usually classified as population transfer,[197] or as ethnic cleansing.[198] R. J. Rummel has classified these events as democide,[103] and a few go as far as calling it a genocide.[199]"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_%281944%E2%80%931950%29#Legacy_of_the_expulsions

Thats a lie.

Really? :)

Also i dont see how can anyone view german expulsions as undeserving,

That was not the question. We are talking about "incovenient parts" of Polish history.
TheOther   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [157]

Don't have much time, so just a quick response:

those labor camps were used for Poles from patriotic and notable families,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Labour_Camp_Potulice
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zgoda_labour_camp
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Labour_Camp_Potulice
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Labour_Camp_Jaworzno

Those camps were used for Germans and Poles.

Population transfer was a legal measure in the eyes of the international law until 1949

This transfer (as you call it) was supposed to be carried out in a civil manner. In reality, over half a million people were killed in the process. Ever wondered why there is an Erika Steinbach?

And speaking of population transfer as a legal measure:

Quote from: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_%281944%E2%80%931950%29#Poland.2C_including_former_German_territories

"Early expulsions were undertaken by the Polish communist military authorities[67] even before the Potsdam Conference placed them under temporary Polish administration pending the final Peace Treaty,[68] to ensure their later integration into an ethnically homogeneous Poland"

Ironside, I know that Poland was under the control of the USSR and that the months and years immediately after the end of the war were horror for everyone, but what I've mentioned above is also part of Polish history.
TheOther   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [157]

Some people on PF and in real life keep insisting that Poland and Poles did not deal with so called inconvenient parts of Polish history.
I wonder what they have in mind.

It isn't so much about inconvenient history per se (every country has it), I'd say, but more about the attitude of some people here on PF. Every time there is even the slightest criticism of Poland, you can bet that someone will either respond with a personal insult or answer with a "but". Using some of your examples:

Ethnic cleansing of the German population ... BUT the Russians were responsible, and the Germans fled anyway. Pomerania and Silesia were annexed ... BUT we Poles weren't asked, and since the Piasts (or whatever they were called) owned the lands 10,000 years ago we call them regained territories anyway. There were labor camps in Poland after the war which came very close to what is considered a concentration camp ... BUT they were run by the communists and Jews, and these guys weren't Polish anyway even if they were born in Poland. You know what I mean? There is always an excuse - never ever do certain people on PF admit that their own country might have some skeletons in its historical closet, too.

All this ends up in the Google index for everybody out there to find and read. I believe that PF - as one of the larger web sites dedicated to Poland - sometimes does more damage to the reputation of the country than a thousand Kaczyński brothers would be able to.
TheOther   
30 Apr 2011
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]

Soviet Union was the driving push of relocating any minority to where they wanted

Are you saying that Germans were in the minority in Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia in 1944/45? You're kidding, are you?
TheOther   
5 Sep 2010
Genealogy / SURNAME:CZARNECKI [27]

came from Galician area of Poland

So he came from Austria-Hungary or the Russian Empire (I'm too lazy to look it up right now). There was no Poland at that time.

Nothing personal, but why for heaven's sake can people on PF who are into genealogy not get their historical facts straight?
TheOther   
4 Sep 2010
Genealogy / Looking for information on Andrew Sobolak and Katherine Walski 1890-1930 [11]

Quite a few were Jewish or protestant - you're right. But when doing genealogical research in Poland, you can safely assume that the majority of Poles was catholic. If I would look for (ethnic) Polish ancestors, my first stop would always be the catholic church books.
TheOther   
3 Sep 2010
Genealogy / Looking for information on Andrew Sobolak and Katherine Walski 1890-1930 [11]

If they were ethnic Poles then they were almost certainly catholics. To find further information, check out the Ellis Island web site at ellisisland.org. Sign up for free and see if you can find the ship's manifest with your ancestors. Provided they went through Ellis Island, of course. Otherwise, try this one: immigrantships.net
TheOther   
26 Aug 2010
Genealogy / Poland Genealogy Resources [130]

LDS-mormons did microfilm
all of what is online and you can go view the source and any center

Correct, they microfilmed the churchbooks and other sources. That's what I meant when I said that I always check the original source.
TheOther   
25 Aug 2010
Genealogy / Poland Genealogy Resources [130]

that is the case with any genealogy service

Very true. I would never trust information coming from a database without seeing the original source anyway.
TheOther   
25 Aug 2010
Genealogy / Poland Genealogy Resources [130]

Be careful. Many datasets contain typos and/or false information because the person entering the data couldn't read the old script on the original documents/ microfilms completely. Whenever you deal with genealogical data from the LDS, make sure that you personally double-check the details. Otherwise you will end up researching in the wrong direction.
TheOther   
20 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

I don't feel responsible for that at all.

And you don't have to, I think. We (me and you) didn't do this. It happened over half of a century ago.

Yet present day Germans are blamed over and over again on this forum for what happened 75 years ago. I call that double standard.