Mr Grunwald
11 Feb 2011
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]
That's becaouse Ukraine (land&territory) was inherited by Poland as Kiev Rus had no heir left, while Lithuania allied herself with Poland and later made an union. After the constitution was created all those lands were "legally" Polands in terms as sucessor of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Remember that Piłsudski that wanted to restore the commonwealth tried to make "Intermerrum" but it was the National-Democrats that ruled Poland until 1926 when Piłsudski did what he did.
The National-Democrats wanted an Poland with Poles as dominant majority and enlarge the Polish middle class. No minority in Poland wanted that. Later presecutions (thinking of Ukrainians) were caused from "revenge" or making a stand like: Ey I actually control this place. None of the alleged actions was aimed as destroying the whole nation.
That's what is meant with Poland didn't go colonial. The ones having the largest urge of going east was "converted" Ruthianians/Ukrainians or "converted" Lithuanians as they wanted to enlarge their safety as far as possible from home. the "Crowners" (from Crown) in Polish, didn't worry THAT much about their eastern problem as their eastern counterparts.
Poland got her interesst in owning those land from having a "moral" or "legal" right to have them. moral as keeping them safe from eastern hordes (Russians/Soviets) as legal ive explained earlier in the post. Ofcourse there allways been an military thought behind it aswell. But now it's mostly gone to diplomacy.
This is ofcourse entierly different then what Western countries did to other parts of the world introducing slavery to them (in a much broader sense, in many parts slavery was there allready) While Poland-Lithuania aimed at making Cossacks into farmers and so on.
Quite. One day we hear on this forum that Poland was a great European power, from sea to sea, the next day we hear the opposite, that they never conquered anyone
That's becaouse Ukraine (land&territory) was inherited by Poland as Kiev Rus had no heir left, while Lithuania allied herself with Poland and later made an union. After the constitution was created all those lands were "legally" Polands in terms as sucessor of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Remember that Piłsudski that wanted to restore the commonwealth tried to make "Intermerrum" but it was the National-Democrats that ruled Poland until 1926 when Piłsudski did what he did.
The National-Democrats wanted an Poland with Poles as dominant majority and enlarge the Polish middle class. No minority in Poland wanted that. Later presecutions (thinking of Ukrainians) were caused from "revenge" or making a stand like: Ey I actually control this place. None of the alleged actions was aimed as destroying the whole nation.
That's what is meant with Poland didn't go colonial. The ones having the largest urge of going east was "converted" Ruthianians/Ukrainians or "converted" Lithuanians as they wanted to enlarge their safety as far as possible from home. the "Crowners" (from Crown) in Polish, didn't worry THAT much about their eastern problem as their eastern counterparts.
Poland got her interesst in owning those land from having a "moral" or "legal" right to have them. moral as keeping them safe from eastern hordes (Russians/Soviets) as legal ive explained earlier in the post. Ofcourse there allways been an military thought behind it aswell. But now it's mostly gone to diplomacy.
This is ofcourse entierly different then what Western countries did to other parts of the world introducing slavery to them (in a much broader sense, in many parts slavery was there allready) While Poland-Lithuania aimed at making Cossacks into farmers and so on.
