Bobko
13 Jan 2024
Bobko
13 Jan 2024
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]
Does your mother know you are gay? "Yes" or "No" answer, please.
A veritable treasury of good ideas, my anus is.
Have you finally stopped masturbating furiously to gay p0rn?
Does your mother know you are gay? "Yes" or "No" answer, please.
is taken right out of the depths of your anal orifice
A veritable treasury of good ideas, my anus is.
Bobko
13 Jan 2024
History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]
Maf tells me we will incinerate millions of Ukrainians once we take over the country.
Usually, his extreme partisanship, despite being annoying - elicits some degree of respect. Simply - I have never seen a Westerner engage with anything from our region with such passion. He reads a lot of Russian sources, and generally seems more realistic than Neuf and some other clowns.
However, him thinking we are going to put millions of Ukrainians into the oven really made me laugh at my stupidity for taking him seriously.
A more realistic scenario is that some Ukrainian comes to power in Russia again, and grants Crimea back to Ukraine as a "gift".
Pale in comparison to Ukrainian deeds in Poland.
Maf tells me we will incinerate millions of Ukrainians once we take over the country.
Usually, his extreme partisanship, despite being annoying - elicits some degree of respect. Simply - I have never seen a Westerner engage with anything from our region with such passion. He reads a lot of Russian sources, and generally seems more realistic than Neuf and some other clowns.
However, him thinking we are going to put millions of Ukrainians into the oven really made me laugh at my stupidity for taking him seriously.
A more realistic scenario is that some Ukrainian comes to power in Russia again, and grants Crimea back to Ukraine as a "gift".
Bobko
13 Jan 2024
History / Can a nation totally change its characteristics and national character throughout history? [62]
It was a hard decision - I'm not gonna lie.
I have private reasons.
Why did you decide to go back on your word?
It was a hard decision - I'm not gonna lie.
I have private reasons.
Bobko
12 Jan 2024
Life / Has feminism and lesbianism progressed in Poland? [645]
History and empirical observation, teach us that there is only one way to truly increase birth rates.
If you want Poland to have a seriously big baby boom, things have to be "rewound" a little bit back in time. First and foremost, there must be an exodus from the cities, towards rural areas. Poland must become an agricultural country again. Borrowing from the Mennonites - any labor-saving machinery should also be outlawed. No tractors, no pumps, no excavators, etc.
Second, women must be made into second class citizens (no legal recourse against men in courts), and contraception totally outlawed. It would be good even, to perhaps shift from Catholicism to Islam - so that some of these policy prescriptions could truly stick.
The last stroke, would be a large civil war, that would result in most Poles living in dense refugee camps. I don't know what it is about refugee camps, but fertility levels really explode there.
After reaching a more comfortable population level of around 100 million Poles, you can slowly begin reintroducing aspects of a post-industrial society.
History and empirical observation, teach us that there is only one way to truly increase birth rates.
If you want Poland to have a seriously big baby boom, things have to be "rewound" a little bit back in time. First and foremost, there must be an exodus from the cities, towards rural areas. Poland must become an agricultural country again. Borrowing from the Mennonites - any labor-saving machinery should also be outlawed. No tractors, no pumps, no excavators, etc.
Second, women must be made into second class citizens (no legal recourse against men in courts), and contraception totally outlawed. It would be good even, to perhaps shift from Catholicism to Islam - so that some of these policy prescriptions could truly stick.
The last stroke, would be a large civil war, that would result in most Poles living in dense refugee camps. I don't know what it is about refugee camps, but fertility levels really explode there.
After reaching a more comfortable population level of around 100 million Poles, you can slowly begin reintroducing aspects of a post-industrial society.
Bobko
12 Jan 2024
History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]
You left Poland the year I was born. Wow.
You really are an Alien.
You left Poland the year I was born. Wow.
You really are an Alien.
Bobko
12 Jan 2024
News / Army of Poland and other kin Slavic countries [39]
Honestly... WTF. Those toys are crazy in their detail.
This was truly a most generous gift from young Kania, to the brotherly socialist republic of Bulgaria.
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How to know you were the son of a Soviet oligarch? If you had the following toys.
1) Pedal car
2) Basketball arcade game
3) Soviet Gameboy
uhlans
Honestly... WTF. Those toys are crazy in their detail.
This was truly a most generous gift from young Kania, to the brotherly socialist republic of Bulgaria.
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How to know you were the son of a Soviet oligarch? If you had the following toys.
1) Pedal car
2) Basketball arcade game
3) Soviet Gameboy
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Bobko
12 Jan 2024
News / Army of Poland and other kin Slavic countries [39]
Actually, in addition to the French-licensed Indians, there was a series of toys made in Donetsk - which were licensed from the American manufacturer Louis Marx. I'm kind of embarrassed, that we could not make a plastic mold without licensing it from capitalists. See below:
Actually, in addition to the French-licensed Indians, there was a series of toys made in Donetsk - which were licensed from the American manufacturer Louis Marx. I'm kind of embarrassed, that we could not make a plastic mold without licensing it from capitalists. See below:
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Bobko
12 Jan 2024
News / Army of Poland and other kin Slavic countries [39]
Are you talking about the Uhlans below, or some even nicer ones? I saw these before, but they were very rare.
Ah, so even then you were a diplomat.
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The only military toys in "color" that I know were Soviet made, were the Cowboys and Indians. They were licensed from a famous French toy manufacturer. These were made at the Moscow-based "Ogonek" factory.
Are you talking about the Uhlans below, or some even nicer ones? I saw these before, but they were very rare.
I took a huge plastic bag of those soldiers to give them away to "sojusznicy" on my way there (yes, I was a strange kid).
Ah, so even then you were a diplomat.
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The only military toys in "color" that I know were Soviet made, were the Cowboys and Indians. They were licensed from a famous French toy manufacturer. These were made at the Moscow-based "Ogonek" factory.
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Bobko
12 Jan 2024
News / Army of Poland and other kin Slavic countries [39]
@Torq
Damn. Poles had high quality toy soldiers.
Soviet toy soldiers (that I still had to play with in 90s):
@Torq
Damn. Poles had high quality toy soldiers.
Soviet toy soldiers (that I still had to play with in 90s):
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Bobko
12 Jan 2024
News / Army of Poland and other kin Slavic countries [39]
Too much to translate, sorry... PRL uniforms by branch of service. 1970s.
Too much to translate, sorry... PRL uniforms by branch of service. 1970s.
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Bobko
12 Jan 2024
History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]
Seems less than two years was enough for them to break his mind. Then in another few months of being in the loony bin, he "died".
Soviet prisons were no picnic. Most Gulag sentences were less than ten years, but it may as well have been 40 in terms of the toll on the health and mind.
four years for espionage, as a high rank officer, during war?
Seems less than two years was enough for them to break his mind. Then in another few months of being in the loony bin, he "died".
Soviet prisons were no picnic. Most Gulag sentences were less than ten years, but it may as well have been 40 in terms of the toll on the health and mind.
Bobko
12 Jan 2024
History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]
Not all was hostile between the USSR and Poland in the 1930s.
Caption on the photo reads:
"The Polish port of Gdynia was visited by a Soviet naval squadron. Soviet sailors also visited Warsaw. In the photo: Commander of Baltic Fleet, Comrade Haller, being greeted at Warsaw Train Station."
I can add a little bit of history, re: Haller...
Lev Mikhailovich Haller - naval officer, from 1932 to 1937 - commander of the Baltic Fleet. In 1947, together with admirals N.G. Kuznetsov and others, was put on trial in a "court of honor" on charges that in 1942-1944 they allegedly handed over to Great Britain and the United States materials on a secret torpedo design, samples of these weapons, maps of two islands, and a map of the southern coast of Kamchatka. The Court of Honor found them guilty and transferred the case to the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR. In 1948 he was sentenced to 4 years in prison. At the beginning of 1950 he was placed in the Kazan psychiatric hospital of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where he died on July 12.
Not all was hostile between the USSR and Poland in the 1930s.
Caption on the photo reads:
"The Polish port of Gdynia was visited by a Soviet naval squadron. Soviet sailors also visited Warsaw. In the photo: Commander of Baltic Fleet, Comrade Haller, being greeted at Warsaw Train Station."
I can add a little bit of history, re: Haller...
Lev Mikhailovich Haller - naval officer, from 1932 to 1937 - commander of the Baltic Fleet. In 1947, together with admirals N.G. Kuznetsov and others, was put on trial in a "court of honor" on charges that in 1942-1944 they allegedly handed over to Great Britain and the United States materials on a secret torpedo design, samples of these weapons, maps of two islands, and a map of the southern coast of Kamchatka. The Court of Honor found them guilty and transferred the case to the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR. In 1948 he was sentenced to 4 years in prison. At the beginning of 1950 he was placed in the Kazan psychiatric hospital of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where he died on July 12.
Bobko
11 Jan 2024
History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]
It only became clear it was a "failure", towards 87-88 and onwards. In 1981 the Soviet Union, could boast of achieving all its goals in Afghanistan. A masterful special operation, had neutralized the previous government with minimal bloodshed. Socialist government was installed across the country, and aid was pouring in.
The CIA and the Arabs only really "turned on" much later.
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Regarding Jaruzelski, in the book from which I was paraphrasing different parts of his biography, everything Kania said is confirmed from the Soviet side. The book is Russian, and to some extent benefits from Soviet archival resources which I am not sure the author of Kania's book had access to.
1981 was the last year before Brezhnev's death. According to the so called "Brezhnev Doctrine", the type of things happening in Poland were to be promptly suppressed. However, Andropov (yes, Lord Voldemort himself), Suslov, and Jaruzelski convinced Brezhnev that it was a terrible idea.
Without the voice of Jaruzelski, some sympathetic members of the Politburo, and his wild gambit whereby he took all the men out of the barracks, Solidarity would have been crushed.
The Soviet Union had just failed in Afghanistan
It only became clear it was a "failure", towards 87-88 and onwards. In 1981 the Soviet Union, could boast of achieving all its goals in Afghanistan. A masterful special operation, had neutralized the previous government with minimal bloodshed. Socialist government was installed across the country, and aid was pouring in.
The CIA and the Arabs only really "turned on" much later.
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Regarding Jaruzelski, in the book from which I was paraphrasing different parts of his biography, everything Kania said is confirmed from the Soviet side. The book is Russian, and to some extent benefits from Soviet archival resources which I am not sure the author of Kania's book had access to.
1981 was the last year before Brezhnev's death. According to the so called "Brezhnev Doctrine", the type of things happening in Poland were to be promptly suppressed. However, Andropov (yes, Lord Voldemort himself), Suslov, and Jaruzelski convinced Brezhnev that it was a terrible idea.
Without the voice of Jaruzelski, some sympathetic members of the Politburo, and his wild gambit whereby he took all the men out of the barracks, Solidarity would have been crushed.
Bobko
10 Jan 2024
History / Can a nation totally change its characteristics and national character throughout history? [62]
Oh no!
Is there no end to Polish lawlessness?
Being beaten and arrested, is a little bit different than to have your skull crushed by a sledgehammer after witnessing your wife and daughter being raped.
inhabitants were often beaten and arrested.
Oh no!
Several Ukrainian schools (in Rohat, Drohobycz, Lwów, Tarnopol and Stanisławów) were closed and the Ukrainian Youth Scout organization Plast was delegalized.
Is there no end to Polish lawlessness?
See how nobly Poles treated Ukrainians before the war.
Being beaten and arrested, is a little bit different than to have your skull crushed by a sledgehammer after witnessing your wife and daughter being raped.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
History / Can a nation totally change its characteristics and national character throughout history? [62]
Ahh, so now you think the Russians were very gentlemanly for quietly taking some several thousand officers into the forest and shooting them?
No women, no children. No nailing people to crosses. Just quiet, methodical killing in a basement. Of a people that you fought 20 years before, and who will almost definitely organize to resist you again if you let them live.
I don't think that even they went after all groups of people and their families
Ahh, so now you think the Russians were very gentlemanly for quietly taking some several thousand officers into the forest and shooting them?
No women, no children. No nailing people to crosses. Just quiet, methodical killing in a basement. Of a people that you fought 20 years before, and who will almost definitely organize to resist you again if you let them live.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
Something called Hitler and Nazi Germany.
Have you heard of this?
It's an interesting bit of history, if one has the stomach.
So what happened to change all that?
Something called Hitler and Nazi Germany.
Have you heard of this?
It's an interesting bit of history, if one has the stomach.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
Finally me and you are in agreement.
The ancient Kingdom of Judaea on the other hand
is what the fighting is all about.
is what the fighting is all about.
Finally me and you are in agreement.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Let's talk about shoes [308]
@Alien
I don't think very much about shoes, except like Forrest Gump - about the places they must have taken their owners.
@Alien
I don't think very much about shoes, except like Forrest Gump - about the places they must have taken their owners.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]
I don't understand these jokes about women not wanting to clean snow or fight wars.
It's normal for a human being to change their mind.
Yesterday, she "wanted it all", today she maybe does not "want it all".
Do you think we should take away their right to vote, and make them second class slaves again?
Their "feminism" movement, yielded some concrete results. Good for them.
I don't understand these jokes about women not wanting to clean snow or fight wars.
It's normal for a human being to change their mind.
Yesterday, she "wanted it all", today she maybe does not "want it all".
Do you think we should take away their right to vote, and make them second class slaves again?
Their "feminism" movement, yielded some concrete results. Good for them.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
I know what I don't like about all this pro-Israel talk.
Its subcurrent, is that the Jews are just such better stewards of the land.
"They made the desert bloom!"
"They have more start ups than San Francisco."
"They just wanna live in peace, and discuss philosophy."
I don't like this. It's like Germans saying that Silesia is richer, because it was German, or Kaliningrad because it was Koenigsberg. Some German or Englishman could do so much more with the bounty of land in Russia. In other words, Russians are spoiled by land, and don't deserve what they have.
I hate this. If I want to live in an irradiated wasteland, using my outside toilet, and saluting a portrait of Putin every morning - that's my God given right. No Jew, or German, or Japanese is gonna make my dump bloom.
I'm like Shrek. I love my swamp, and I don't want Prince Charming coming and fixing everything up.
Even if it takes Palestinians 10,000 years to live like Jews in 2023, that's their right.
The word Palestine is more Slavic than the word Israel.
I know what I don't like about all this pro-Israel talk.
Its subcurrent, is that the Jews are just such better stewards of the land.
"They made the desert bloom!"
"They have more start ups than San Francisco."
"They just wanna live in peace, and discuss philosophy."
I don't like this. It's like Germans saying that Silesia is richer, because it was German, or Kaliningrad because it was Koenigsberg. Some German or Englishman could do so much more with the bounty of land in Russia. In other words, Russians are spoiled by land, and don't deserve what they have.
I hate this. If I want to live in an irradiated wasteland, using my outside toilet, and saluting a portrait of Putin every morning - that's my God given right. No Jew, or German, or Japanese is gonna make my dump bloom.
I'm like Shrek. I love my swamp, and I don't want Prince Charming coming and fixing everything up.
Even if it takes Palestinians 10,000 years to live like Jews in 2023, that's their right.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
Yes, not always cold capitalistic calculus.
Palestine is such an example.
Yes, not always cold capitalistic calculus.
Palestine is such an example.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
Where the hell do you think the Book of Genesis comes from?
BTW - I hate all religion. Maybe not equally, but the hate is there - in my heart.
Good thing you don't read the Old Testament.
Where the hell do you think the Book of Genesis comes from?
BTW - I hate all religion. Maybe not equally, but the hate is there - in my heart.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
Really - I don't know why this thread continues to exist, after I posted my Biblical truths.
Who here wants to debate the Book of Genesis? I want to see this bold man.
Really - I don't know why this thread continues to exist, after I posted my Biblical truths.
Who here wants to debate the Book of Genesis? I want to see this bold man.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
I don't know why, but I do know a little bit of military history in this regard.
When NATO invaded Afghanistan, the Czechs trained to fly jet fighters in Israel, to get accustomed to desert conditions.
Israel provided this opportunity, because the first Israeli pilots were trained in Czechoslovakia.
So there is at least some armament cooperation, that survived the Iron Curtain and everything since.
I don't know why, but I do know a little bit of military history in this regard.
When NATO invaded Afghanistan, the Czechs trained to fly jet fighters in Israel, to get accustomed to desert conditions.
Israel provided this opportunity, because the first Israeli pilots were trained in Czechoslovakia.
So there is at least some armament cooperation, that survived the Iron Curtain and everything since.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
They are Arabized, but certainly not just plain Arabs.
When you find the rare pro-Israeli Saudi sheikh (yes, I was surprised too), you can hear some pretty incredibly racist things about Palestinians.
Some Arabs call them things like "Turkoman-Armenian" pigdogs. There is some truth to this, of course, hahahaha.
Probably no place in the world had such an amount of gene flow.
On the other hand, in support of your assertion - the size of the "Palestinian" population of Palestine was significantly smaller in the aftermath of the Islamic Conquest than in preceding Byzantine and Roman periods. The largely Christian population, consisting of numerous different ethnicities, was replaced with a much smaller, Arabized and Islamized one.
I think the way to think about Palestinian origins is as a sort of Macau or Singapore of sorts. An Arab main stratum, then some Greek, Armenian, Turkmen, Mongol, Kurds mixed in, and finally the very ancient lineages.
it's not really an ethnicity, because ethnically they are simply Arabs
They are Arabized, but certainly not just plain Arabs.
When you find the rare pro-Israeli Saudi sheikh (yes, I was surprised too), you can hear some pretty incredibly racist things about Palestinians.
Some Arabs call them things like "Turkoman-Armenian" pigdogs. There is some truth to this, of course, hahahaha.
Probably no place in the world had such an amount of gene flow.
On the other hand, in support of your assertion - the size of the "Palestinian" population of Palestine was significantly smaller in the aftermath of the Islamic Conquest than in preceding Byzantine and Roman periods. The largely Christian population, consisting of numerous different ethnicities, was replaced with a much smaller, Arabized and Islamized one.
I think the way to think about Palestinian origins is as a sort of Macau or Singapore of sorts. An Arab main stratum, then some Greek, Armenian, Turkmen, Mongol, Kurds mixed in, and finally the very ancient lineages.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
Wow, really?
No, you're lying.
A people displaced from their homes, want their homes back?
Asking a Palestinian if he wants Israel to exist, is like asking a chicken how it would vote regarding the execution of a fox.
As far as I know many of them want Israel to cease to exist.
Wow, really?
No, you're lying.
A people displaced from their homes, want their homes back?
Asking a Palestinian if he wants Israel to exist, is like asking a chicken how it would vote regarding the execution of a fox.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
Are there Palestinians that claim to be the real Jews, and that David and Solomon were actually named Ahmed and Mohammad? Do Palestinians claim that Jews lived in the swamps of the Euphrates, when real Palestinians were busy building the Second Temple?
Ukrainians are all about stealing someone else's history, because they don't have any of their own.
Palestinians do not do that.
how Ukrainians aren't "a real nation", and how Ukrainian is a "fake" language, etc., so it's funny to see what different attitude you have towards Palestinians
Are there Palestinians that claim to be the real Jews, and that David and Solomon were actually named Ahmed and Mohammad? Do Palestinians claim that Jews lived in the swamps of the Euphrates, when real Palestinians were busy building the Second Temple?
Ukrainians are all about stealing someone else's history, because they don't have any of their own.
Palestinians do not do that.
Bobko
9 Jan 2024
Off-Topic / Has Palestine ever existed? [68]
Yeah, it's just that the opportunities for this were rare to present themselves.
It's what I alluded to with this list:
They stayed there through the Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Macedonian, Roman, Byzantine, Umayyad, Abbasid, Crusader, Ottoman, and British occupations.
Too bad Paulina was not around back then to advise them. In retrospect, it's kind of a no brainer. Just petition the Persian Emperor to opt out of the Persian Empire.
@BratwurstBoy
I must go to sleep now, but the bottom line of all my posts is - stop genociding Jews in Europe, and then complaining about their new living conditions in the Middle East.
A German should maybe stay quiet.
They haven't created a country of their own though
Yeah, it's just that the opportunities for this were rare to present themselves.
It's what I alluded to with this list:
They stayed there through the Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Macedonian, Roman, Byzantine, Umayyad, Abbasid, Crusader, Ottoman, and British occupations.
Too bad Paulina was not around back then to advise them. In retrospect, it's kind of a no brainer. Just petition the Persian Emperor to opt out of the Persian Empire.
@BratwurstBoy
I must go to sleep now, but the bottom line of all my posts is - stop genociding Jews in Europe, and then complaining about their new living conditions in the Middle East.
A German should maybe stay quiet.