News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]

Jesus... I had to google it to check if it's true...

From the article:

"Andrei Kolesnikov, a Kremlin pool veteran, heard the rest. "It was one of those moments when you couldn't believe your ears," he said. Another reporter said officials had burst into laughter."

I wonder if they'd be laughing if their wife or daughter was raped... Stupid a$$holes.


How is that supposed to lighten me up... 🙁

News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]

And if you needed even more:

"A 1994 study found that between 25 and 35 percent of men lack knowledge about what constitutes rape, and a 2010 report noted men are more likely than women to have these attitudes."

Now that's freaking scary.

And this:

"She said Turner committed rape but that he does not think he did so. He did not apologize for sexual assault in a court statement to the judge. He apologized for drinking too much."

News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]

And more from the article:

"University of Arizona professor Mary Koss, who coined the term "date rape" in the 1980s, found in a 1987 study that 7.7 percent of male students reported anonymously they had forced or tried to force someone to have sex with them. Almost none of them considered that to be rape.

Koss said she still hears these sentiments from her students. She said some young men think that, if they're as intoxicated as a female partner, whatever happens can be blamed on the alcohol. She adds that others think young women secretly want to be pushed into a sexual encounter."

News / Rape and sexual abuse in Poland [202]


And consent wasn't included in the previous definition of rape in Polish law, which is... messed up. So, when I think about it now I have to go back on my statement here that I made in another thread:


Actually - it was.
After all - this is what rape boils down to - lack of consent. So that should be included in the definition in the first place and not last.

I've just realised that based on the previous definition of rape you would be allowed to rape an unconscious person or someone who is too drunk to resist o_O Because an unconscious or a completely wasted person can't fight back/resist, so the rapist wouldn't have to:

1. Use violance.
2. Use unlawful threats.
3. Use deception.

So, based on the previous definition - if you rape an unconscious or a completely drunk person and you didn't make this person unconscious or drunk yourself by the use of deception then... it's not rape o_O

So, yeah, that definition definitely wasn't complete, to put it mildly.

So now you will tell me : "What does it matter? Every moron knows what rape is!"

Do they though? Clearly not - there are morons who don't know and some of those morons are Polish judges. And Polish judges are not unique in this.

This discussion reminded me of the pretty famous case in the US when a successful student of some prestigious university raped an unconscious girl at a parking lot and was caught during the act by passers-by. He got only 6 months in prison.

So why am I writing about this and why the change in the definition of rape was important and needed? Here is why:

washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/11/a-huge-myth-about-rape-on-college-campuses-gets-to-the-heart-of-the-problem/

"Oklahoma State University professor John Foubert, who designed his school's rape prevention program, asked a group of first-year fraternity brothers in a 2007 study whether they'd ever raped someone. They all said no. Foubert changed the phrasing, however, and 10 percent of first-year brothers reported they'd penetrated a woman against her permission.

"They don't see this behavior as rape, perhaps as a way to protect themselves, to not be responsible for their behavior if that happens," Foubert said. "It's not just college students. You hear these beliefs in broader society.""

News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]


Exactly. I don't know where some men get this notion that FROM NOW ON a woman's word will be enough to sentence a man for rape lol They must be living in some fantasy world of their own making and not in Polish reality.

News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]


I should probably add "not enough for Polish judges". As it was stated in the article - the problem wasn't the law, but the mentality. And since you can't change the mentality "just like that", you have to change the law. And maybe in the long run that will also influence the mentality at least to some extent.

News / Ups and downs of the democratic government 2023-2027 in Poland [363]

Here's a good article about why the change in the definition of rape was needed in Poland:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/zmiana-definicji-zgwalcenia-to-nie-gwalt-na-prawie-lecz-potrzebna-korekta-opinia-7044384982428512a

If in our country a court decides that when a 15-year-old girl is being raped by her uncle - her crying, saying no and pushing his hands away is "not resisting enough" then clearly the former definition wasn't enough. Apparently Polish judges have to have it written down more explicitly o_O

Also, prosecutors in case of rape accusation will still have to prove in court that there was no consent.

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


There are instances though when people take a loan or pay "na raty" to buy something that is needed now, because they simply don't have enough cash. I don't think there's anything wrong with that if it's important and reasonable. For example, when me and my brother were at school my mother took a loan to buy us a computer. Thanks to that I didn't have to go to an internet cafe every time I needed something for homework from the internet and I improved my French and I got better grades. That was some special loan given by her workplace or sth. She paid off the loan and we had a computer at home. No problems, no drama.

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


That's one factor for sure. But I think it's also a kind of need for "insta-gratification". People want everything "now".


Yeah, it looks like it.


One doesn't have to be from Warsaw. That city does things to you ;P


You don't have to be the corpo type or middle class. My impression is that it affects all "classes". "Poorer" people in Warsaw seem to be even more self-conscious about not being able to afford things - at least that was my experience in Warsaw.

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


Both you and Atch live in Warsaw though, as far as I understand - I think that may be a factor :) I get an impression that people living in Warsaw often have a bit of a different mentality regarding money and material things, than where I live, for example... Sometimes shockingly so... 🤔


Yup, I think that may be an important factor.

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]

@jon357, I've checked other stats too and in one table it was Switzerland at the top (don't know what year though) - but, again, Poland was at the bottom.


The thing is - I live in Poland and that's also my real life observation on the ground. That's why I decided to verify Atch's comment, because something didn't add up for me... 🤔

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


According to this table it doesn't seem to be so bad in Poland, btw, at least in comparison to other countries in Europe:

statista.com/statistics/1073593/household-debt-ratio-europe-by-country/

Poland is at the bottom of the table with over 40%, while Ireland has 91.81% and the Netherlands is at the top with 187.63% of household indebtedness in the first quarter of 2023 o_O

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


I've got an impression that's an increasing problem everywhere, unfortunately: 🤔

centralbank.ie/news/article/irish-households-become-the-fourth-most-indebted-in-europe

breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-public-debt-of-42000-euro-per-person-very-significant-for-small-country-1591722.html


Yup, although not every country will be as family-oriented, so to speak, as Poland. And as safe, but probably safer than the US, I imagine...

Life / Poland Is A Gem In Europe [71]


Oh boy... Family in Poland... Yeah... lol


;D


Yup...

Btw, could you go into details about the differences in family dynamics in the US and Poland? I've never lived abroad, so I'm curious what it's like in other countries :)

Life / What gifts to take? Presents customs in Poland. [173]


Potwarz! :O


Why... :O


Besides coffee flavoured I also like the hazelnut ones (I think they're the ones with the green stripe) :) Probably the only Merci flavour I could really do without is marzipan (I just don't like marzipan in general).

History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]


I'm guessing that was the point.


*feathers

History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]


As far as I remember my grandma would use denaturat to wash a rooster after killing it for chicken soup and she would singe it to get rid of the remnants of fathers or sth. 🤔 Ugh, the smell...


Probably a joke lol

Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [201]


People wouldn't be getting enough vitamin D then though. 🤔

Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [201]


According to you - the biggest moron on this forum :)


You could say the same thing about Ivanka Trump, since Donald Trump isn't progressive enough :)))


I don't know and I don't care, just like I don't know where her mother is and if she has any siblings. That's her private business.

Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [201]


Well, "genius", I think it's more probable for a Polish woman to get into a relationship with some guy from Africa who came to study in Poland and stayed here, for example, than a Polish woman going to the "black part" of Africa as a sex tourist and coming back with a baby lol

PolAm's comment was retarded.


She's not transgender, idiot, and I bet she's prettier than your wife lol


:)

Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [201]


Don't be retarded. You do realise that there are black people living outside of Africa, right? lol 🤦


What... Do you mean Egypt by any chance? ;D


I thought that men go to Thailand, not to Africa :D

Food / Poles prefer pizza & kebab? [73]


Meaning?

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [157]


Around 4000 and if those migrants claimed asylum in Poland then Germans have the right to do that.


Talked about what exactly?

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [403]

So what is going on in Dagestan? o_O:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/walki-na-ulicach-rosji-sluzby-szukaja-sprawcow-atakow-w-dagestanie-7041707373796096a

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]


It is curious, isn't it... Polish right-wing men are always so vocal about abortion, for example, but I've never heard them advocating for forbidding prostitution in Poland :D

Even a conservative right-wing politician Patryk Jaki considers a forest being littered with condoms thrown away by clients of prostitutes a "funny issue" and says he "has to" take care of it only because his voters want this to be dealt with :) I wonder how many prostitutes he frequented himself :))):

tvn24.pl/polska/kuse-spodniczki-prezerwatywy-w-lesie-mieszkancy-skarza-sie-na-przydrozna-prostytucje-ra364277-ls3447512

In the meantime - the same guy about abortion :D:

gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/artykuly/978163,patryk-jaki-zakazac-aborcji-eugenicznej.html

Off-Topic / Let's talk about shoes [333]

@Alien, yes, they do help - I take Letrox, but I still have a fairly low blood pressure even when my TSH level is normal.

Off-Topic / Let's talk about shoes [333]

@Alien, no, I don't smoke, I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis.

Off-Topic / Let's talk about shoes [333]


Those look OK (although when at home I prefer softer slippers, rather than leather ones).

My city grandpa was wearing brown leather slippers with those little "air" holes and that's probably why when I think about "leather home slippers" I don't associate them with anything feminine :)


I have the same problem - I have low blood pressure :/

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]


I'm not "shaming" you to win an argument, it's simply a fact that your obsession with what women wear is most defenitely not normal for a heterosexual man.


But you don't know what every workplace in the West looks like, let alone in Poland. You only know American workplace. And most probably even in case of American workplace - I'm guessing that you're full of sh1t.


I live in Polish reality here and now and that's what I can talk about. You can only talk about American reality (which is probably skewed by your hatred towards women anyway).

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]


No, it looks like you're wrong, as usual:

fastercapital.com/topics/women-are-often-more-detail-oriented-than-their-male-counterparts.html


No, they are simply not interested in jewelry and don't know much about it. Normally men don't pay attention to such stuff. That's why your fixation is so strange.


Nonsense lol It is about remembering every outfit and accessory, and not about some kind of "patterns" lol Either they wear a new piece of clothing and accessory every time or not. And you can only know that if you remember every outfit and accessory. But thanks for confirming that you're full of sh1t, liar.