Ironside
27 May 2011
News / Poland reveals its new super car. [56]
Poland car 2
1935
Or the CWS T-1 Torpedo in the 20's
PZInż 403 Lux-Sport
Poland car 2
1935
Ironside
27 May 2011
News / Poland reveals its new super car. [56]
Don't forget about the Houses of Glass !
I foresee solar powered electric cars r
Don't forget about the Houses of Glass !
Ironside
22 May 2011
Genealogy / Polish DNA? Poles have the most genes in a group includes Balts, Macedonians and Greeks. [264]
Maybe or maybe not !
Proto
Maybe or maybe not !
Ironside
22 May 2011
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]
I would take both, thank you !
ake Lwów( Unesco site:))) every time over Wrocław, thank You
I would take both, thank you !
Ironside
22 May 2011
Life / The Legacy of Polish Poster design [36]
I was hoping for a stimulating discussion. Meaning:an exchange of arguments, facts and views.
It is disappointing that all you came with is a well know game of labelling. You stick some labels on me and in return I will stick some labels on you. Thank you I pass.
It would be nice if you did me courtesy of reading my post, as I did read yours - not only admiring pictures I posted.
I'm not speaking for Poles, I speak for myself. I don't deny that some Poles may viewed or view it the way you described but I'm still claiming that said similarity is only superficial.
If we talking the times of the winged hussars, they were all business like professional winners and their spirit come from countless battles which ended with their victory.
Whereas Indian's warrior spirit come from their way of life and their beliefs.
I was hoping for a stimulating discussion. Meaning:an exchange of arguments, facts and views.
It is disappointing that all you came with is a well know game of labelling. You stick some labels on me and in return I will stick some labels on you. Thank you I pass.
It would be nice if you did me courtesy of reading my post, as I did read yours - not only admiring pictures I posted.
I'm not speaking for Poles, I speak for myself. I don't deny that some Poles may viewed or view it the way you described but I'm still claiming that said similarity is only superficial.
If we talking the times of the winged hussars, they were all business like professional winners and their spirit come from countless battles which ended with their victory.
Whereas Indian's warrior spirit come from their way of life and their beliefs.
Ironside
21 May 2011
Life / The Legacy of Polish Poster design [36]
Maybe I'm, however with all their internal and spiritual complexity society of the Plains Indians was pretty simple, no social classes. Simply speaking lack of the factors necessary for existence of civilisation.
Polish power wasn't based on her military power, for most of her Golden Age, military power was used only for defence purposes, most historians are in concert that one of the downfall of Poland's Power was anti-militaristic attitude of majority of her citizen (nobles).
If Poland would had utilized her riches and potentials, without even straining herself would have had been able to handle all her neighbours.
Military power was there only to provide security for advanced and complex society based on knowledge, agriculture and technology unsuppressed in the world.
Overlords of North America is only an exaggerated expression, which means that because of their numbers, warrior culture and vacuum caused by white men advance into North America which caused havoc therefore wiping out and pushing aside other Indians.Because of all that their ruling "so to speak" was unchallenged.
In no point their overlord-ship meant more than a passing gallop of their horses.
What parallels you are talking about ?Use of horses and feathers? Well, I can grant you that, but further than that its only confabulation.
There is nothing myopic in my approach, I'm just taking a stand against comparing everything with everything, it makes no sense and is counter-productive.
I did not call Indians primitive on purpose, but their nomadic lifestyle, and even more their ancient but remote culture put them entirely on a different plane of existence than Polish civilization.
That: against that ?:
The first one doesn't even needs his horse to ridicule your comparison.
Ironside, you underestimate the complexity of the Plains Indian society.
Maybe I'm, however with all their internal and spiritual complexity society of the Plains Indians was pretty simple, no social classes. Simply speaking lack of the factors necessary for existence of civilisation.
The Plains Indians by having domesticated and militarized the horse became the central continental overlords of North America just as the Poles did in central Europe with their own variety of artillery supported equestrian based military technology.
Polish power wasn't based on her military power, for most of her Golden Age, military power was used only for defence purposes, most historians are in concert that one of the downfall of Poland's Power was anti-militaristic attitude of majority of her citizen (nobles).
If Poland would had utilized her riches and potentials, without even straining herself would have had been able to handle all her neighbours.
Military power was there only to provide security for advanced and complex society based on knowledge, agriculture and technology unsuppressed in the world.
Overlords of North America is only an exaggerated expression, which means that because of their numbers, warrior culture and vacuum caused by white men advance into North America which caused havoc therefore wiping out and pushing aside other Indians.Because of all that their ruling "so to speak" was unchallenged.
In no point their overlord-ship meant more than a passing gallop of their horses.
The parallels are there for anyone with eyes to see, but you insist upon the distinguishing the Plains Indians as primitive and the Poles as civilized in a myopic manner.
What parallels you are talking about ?Use of horses and feathers? Well, I can grant you that, but further than that its only confabulation.
There is nothing myopic in my approach, I'm just taking a stand against comparing everything with everything, it makes no sense and is counter-productive.
I did not call Indians primitive on purpose, but their nomadic lifestyle, and even more their ancient but remote culture put them entirely on a different plane of existence than Polish civilization.
That: against that ?:
The first one doesn't even needs his horse to ridicule your comparison.
Ironside
21 May 2011
Life / The Legacy of Polish Poster design [36]
Poles don't have spirit of aristocratic cockiness,so called national character was shaped by spirit of freedom and citizenship, enjoyed by Polish nobles.
So, called cockiness and spirit it is quality due to Polish Royal Army and its knights-soldiers. IT is a soldierly quality and spirit, which has been an overplayed factor due to unfurtunate circumstances of Poland in later years.
Poles, their bards and storytellers hummed that tune of free chivalrous warrior, knight in shiny armour and all that to enchant kids with an idea of Poland.
In fact a real Polish cavalryman had been superior due to original tactics, close cooperation and support of infantry and artillery combined together into Polish Way of Welfare. And due to superior armour, sabre, musket and artillery all that providable by the country, and only a tiny percent of the nobles were directly involved in wars.
Whereas Indians where free warriors, free in a tribal and nomadic (or half-nomadic)way.
Their free spirit was primal and fruit of culture where norms could not be to strict because members of the group would vote with their feet (and often did - many tribes and sub-tribes of American Indians). When on the other hand ,Poland's free spirit was a fruit of complex and rich civilisation with laws, custom and legislations - civilisation which dominated for 400 years half of the European continent.
Not the same thing.
The similarity between Plains Indians and Poles stems from an innate spirit of aristocratic cockiness that both peoples share which is essential rather than superficial.
Poles don't have spirit of aristocratic cockiness,so called national character was shaped by spirit of freedom and citizenship, enjoyed by Polish nobles.
So, called cockiness and spirit it is quality due to Polish Royal Army and its knights-soldiers. IT is a soldierly quality and spirit, which has been an overplayed factor due to unfurtunate circumstances of Poland in later years.
Poles, their bards and storytellers hummed that tune of free chivalrous warrior, knight in shiny armour and all that to enchant kids with an idea of Poland.
In fact a real Polish cavalryman had been superior due to original tactics, close cooperation and support of infantry and artillery combined together into Polish Way of Welfare. And due to superior armour, sabre, musket and artillery all that providable by the country, and only a tiny percent of the nobles were directly involved in wars.
Whereas Indians where free warriors, free in a tribal and nomadic (or half-nomadic)way.
Their free spirit was primal and fruit of culture where norms could not be to strict because members of the group would vote with their feet (and often did - many tribes and sub-tribes of American Indians). When on the other hand ,Poland's free spirit was a fruit of complex and rich civilisation with laws, custom and legislations - civilisation which dominated for 400 years half of the European continent.
Not the same thing.
Ironside
21 May 2011
Life / The Legacy of Polish Poster design [36]
Only on the surface, only on the surface dear DesEss !
The boastful, expertly equestrian, Plains Indians bedecked in feathers are actually very very similiar to Poles when one thinks about it.
Only on the surface, only on the surface dear DesEss !
Ironside
19 May 2011
Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]
Solidarity won ? Hey ! Why nobody told me ?
As for weapons is Poland.
Everyone above 24 years of age should be able to buy a gun.Provided he/she has no criminal record, history of mental illnesses and is employed.
Why not?
I like your post.
3. Solidarity won the Polish independence in 1989, completely unarmed.
Solidarity won ? Hey ! Why nobody told me ?
As for weapons is Poland.
Everyone above 24 years of age should be able to buy a gun.Provided he/she has no criminal record, history of mental illnesses and is employed.
Why not?
I like your post.
Ironside
17 May 2011
History / Were Nobles during Commonwealth constituting the Nation of Poland? [37]
Not necessarily, but you are right, somebody rich, connected and powerful have a better chance to get away with crime, but it is also the truth of our times.
In France or England if some simple or not so simple noble said publicly that King's policy is wrong, he was finished, quite literately, in Poland (Commonwealth - not so). Small but significant difference.
The reasons were a bit more complex than that!But the main reason of looking for a foreign prince was lack of suitable candidates inside Commonwealth, or at last majority of the nobles thought so.
What ukies?
polish gun:
hairy chest of your Cossack against :
On paper yes. But if a lets say Mr Potocki wanted the tiny little village of the poor Mr Piotrowski he took it by sword, and then bribed his way out of the court.
Not necessarily, but you are right, somebody rich, connected and powerful have a better chance to get away with crime, but it is also the truth of our times.
In France or England if some simple or not so simple noble said publicly that King's policy is wrong, he was finished, quite literately, in Poland (Commonwealth - not so). Small but significant difference.
That's the reason why the Szlachta wanted foreign monarchs. Why have strong king with power that will make you his puppet while you can have a weak king that will be your puppet?
The reasons were a bit more complex than that!But the main reason of looking for a foreign prince was lack of suitable candidates inside Commonwealth, or at last majority of the nobles thought so.
Ukies
What ukies?
polish gun:
hairy chest of your Cossack against :
Ironside
17 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
pawian, I just said that yours translation is not good and I have provided a better one, you can take it or leave it!
No, you don't she is a Polish Ukrainian,huh ?
Exactly, and the current government is doing a particularly shity job!
If you feel it is too much education for you, tell me and I will ease up a little. :):):)
pawian, I just said that yours translation is not good and I have provided a better one, you can take it or leave it!
I see.
No, you don't she is a Polish Ukrainian,huh ?
Governments can only make the opportunities for individual success or limit such opportunities.
Exactly, and the current government is doing a particularly shity job!
Ironside
16 May 2011
History / Were Nobles during Commonwealth constituting the Nation of Poland? [37]
In case of Commonwealth it was their rights, which made them standing out not only from other social group but from other nobles in Europe and the world. They had a rights not unlike Roman citizens of old, no matter poor or rich, every noble enjoyed the same rights. Freedom breeds a different kind of men.
To be honest nobody really investigated nobles from that angle.
none that I'm aware of ...
I think that is a quite possible that some Sarmatians in times immemorial consisted an nucleus of group which latter become nobles. I wouldn't overestimated ethnic aspect of the Polish nobles, I think that Polish nobles were mix if you would think about ethnic aspect. What counted was culture, traditions and customs; interesting thought to ponder, whatever some elements of Sarmatian culture or ethos survived intertwined into a rich tradition of Polish nobles.
I would put the blame on the foreign origin of elected monarchs. They had no understanding of Polish constitution nor the will to work according to the guidelines of the law in Poland, and they used their prerogatives to muddle about and corrupt the system and the people.
In case of Commonwealth it was their rights, which made them standing out not only from other social group but from other nobles in Europe and the world. They had a rights not unlike Roman citizens of old, no matter poor or rich, every noble enjoyed the same rights. Freedom breeds a different kind of men.
I read the linked article above and while it was only a tiny part of the article, it seemed to indicate that modern historians doubt that the nobility descended from Samatians:
To be honest nobody really investigated nobles from that angle.
I wonder if there are any genetic studies done on surviving Polish nobility to investigate the question from that aspect.
none that I'm aware of ...
I think that is a quite possible that some Sarmatians in times immemorial consisted an nucleus of group which latter become nobles. I wouldn't overestimated ethnic aspect of the Polish nobles, I think that Polish nobles were mix if you would think about ethnic aspect. What counted was culture, traditions and customs; interesting thought to ponder, whatever some elements of Sarmatian culture or ethos survived intertwined into a rich tradition of Polish nobles.
(So much gridlock with the veto and the meddling into Polish elections by other countries).
I would put the blame on the foreign origin of elected monarchs. They had no understanding of Polish constitution nor the will to work according to the guidelines of the law in Poland, and they used their prerogatives to muddle about and corrupt the system and the people.
Ironside
16 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
Well, its only logical considering that it is a normal practice in democratic country's that opposition blame governing party and rightly so, they hold the reins of state. Funny ? Get real its pathetic as a matter of fact is that everyting is (at last in main stream media) revolving around Kaczynski - what he does and what he doesn't, what he says and why, the way he farting and why, and that parody of informations is passing as a serious informations.Pathetic!
rather - Oh guys, you crack me up big time:)? Mr Teacher :)))
Stick to your grammar .... :P
Hey watch it mister, their are without master and they suffer, but they are my people and you better take it back, As if a place you came from didn't have an ample population of plain idiots and retards.
So mister hit-man, I kindly ask you to withdraw that thoughtless remark!
What would you say that miss joker?
Untranslatable current joke on putting all possible blames on Mr. Tusk.
Well, its only logical considering that it is a normal practice in democratic country's that opposition blame governing party and rightly so, they hold the reins of state. Funny ? Get real its pathetic as a matter of fact is that everyting is (at last in main stream media) revolving around Kaczynski - what he does and what he doesn't, what he says and why, the way he farting and why, and that parody of informations is passing as a serious informations.Pathetic!
No, nie, chłopaki, naprawdę mnie rozwalacie. Oh, boys, you are really blowing me away. :):):):)
rather - Oh guys, you crack me up big time:)? Mr Teacher :)))
Stick to your grammar .... :P
Last thing I ever want to be. Wouldn,t lower myself.
Hey watch it mister, their are without master and they suffer, but they are my people and you better take it back, As if a place you came from didn't have an ample population of plain idiots and retards.
So mister hit-man, I kindly ask you to withdraw that thoughtless remark!
The same applies to Grzegorz. You only think you are Polish. :):):)
What would you say that miss joker?
Ironside
16 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
WTF? You have no clue!Have you?
Not enough kids to keep up with current level of employed teachers - the teachers union supported Tusk -he paying off his voters !
Don`t you know Poland has chosen the urban warfare option, which means that the conflict will be fought not in fields but cities?
WTF? You have no clue!Have you?
what is the point of sending them to schools
Not enough kids to keep up with current level of employed teachers - the teachers union supported Tusk -he paying off his voters !
Ironside
16 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
When you put one and one together what do you have left Mr genius ?I'm talking about above quote.
You did it, you made me laugh, you are surly joking, you cannot be that naive.
By imbeciles I mean all those who critisize Tusk`s government for increasing the national debt and budget deficit but at the same time complain about low salaries, cuts in state spendings, no pay and pension rises, high taxes, etc etc.
When you put one and one together what do you have left Mr genius ?I'm talking about above quote.
When you work faking hard at last, the debt will diminish.
You did it, you made me laugh, you are surly joking, you cannot be that naive.
Ironside
14 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
I don't like reforms for the sake of the reforms and anyway the thread is about something entirely different.
Of course it wasn't his merit - he just did nothing.
You wanna talk economic tell me why Polish debt is growing 100 millions a day?
Question is about his achievements not his plans for the future.Knowing his efficiency those plans are only stunts to get more money for his voters, the universities freaks supported him - nothing more.
So what is it about the specific reforms that you don't like, what changes or otherwsie woud you be in support of or against?
I don't like reforms for the sake of the reforms and anyway the thread is about something entirely different.
Of course, all Tusk bashers will say it wasn`t his merit,
Of course it wasn't his merit - he just did nothing.
You wanna talk economic tell me why Polish debt is growing 100 millions a day?
Question is about his achievements not his plans for the future.Knowing his efficiency those plans are only stunts to get more money for his voters, the universities freaks supported him - nothing more.
Ironside
13 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
hague1cmaeron
More of what ? papers, reforms and plans ? it all will be ! Or not !
What are Tusks achievements - means something done which is working as we speak! Not future or future generation or bright and optimistic future.
Reforms - ****, pardon my French, Poland is doing nothing but reforms, and them more reforms and then reforming reforms and reform reformer or reformist ....will reforms another reform ....
Thats all is an empty BS!Are you blind?or thick?
new model of higher education - the same every few years is a new model of higher education, funny though that level of education is not improving but standards are lower and lower ...
Science reform
New model of higher education
hague1cmaeron
National Leading Scientific Centres
More?
More of what ? papers, reforms and plans ? it all will be ! Or not !
What are Tusks achievements - means something done which is working as we speak! Not future or future generation or bright and optimistic future.
Reforms - ****, pardon my French, Poland is doing nothing but reforms, and them more reforms and then reforming reforms and reform reformer or reformist ....will reforms another reform ....
Thats all is an empty BS!Are you blind?or thick?
new model of higher education - the same every few years is a new model of higher education, funny though that level of education is not improving but standards are lower and lower ...
Ironside
13 May 2011
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
Nay, they only put a lid on that, and when it will get really tough in Poland, all that blunders and mismanagement if not something more sinister will back-fire into your face and people like you. Top brass will run like rats from sinking ship, you are stuck here, you should be wiser.
So far, it all on the surface is still stagnant because steam (emigrants) was let out, and EU/emigrants money keep it going for a while.
However clock is ticking.
Nay, they only put a lid on that, and when it will get really tough in Poland, all that blunders and mismanagement if not something more sinister will back-fire into your face and people like you. Top brass will run like rats from sinking ship, you are stuck here, you should be wiser.
So far, it all on the surface is still stagnant because steam (emigrants) was let out, and EU/emigrants money keep it going for a while.
However clock is ticking.
Ironside
12 May 2011
Love / How do Polish men feel about gender equality? [780]
Don't give a toss or laugh.
why would Polish women being in superior position in social standing willing to lower her status to mere a equality ?
Don't give a toss or laugh.
why would Polish women being in superior position in social standing willing to lower her status to mere a equality ?
Ironside
12 May 2011
History / Were Nobles during Commonwealth constituting the Nation of Poland? [37]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism
At its core was a belief that Polish nobles were descended from the ancient Sarmatians.
Only asking :)State your opinion if you want.
At what time Iron?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism
They never claimed that.
At its core was a belief that Polish nobles were descended from the ancient Sarmatians.
Based on what?
Only asking :)State your opinion if you want.
Ironside
12 May 2011
History / Were Nobles during Commonwealth constituting the Nation of Poland? [37]
Nobles at the time were believing themselves distinctly different from other social group in the Commonwealth.
Where they a separate race as they claimed?
Where they constituting a body of citizens, not unlike those of the Romans of old?
Maybe only nobles were Poles and the others were only Mazurian, Ruthenian,Zmudzian and the like?
Nobles at the time were believing themselves distinctly different from other social group in the Commonwealth.
Where they a separate race as they claimed?
Where they constituting a body of citizens, not unlike those of the Romans of old?
Maybe only nobles were Poles and the others were only Mazurian, Ruthenian,Zmudzian and the like?
Ironside
7 May 2011
History / Polish and other Slavic nobility in our time [71]
is he ? are you sure ?
Yupp its true he comes from the legendary
is he ? are you sure ?
Ironside
7 May 2011
History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]
I blame Russia and Prussia.
I blame Russia and Prussia.
Ironside
7 May 2011
History / Polish and other Slavic nobility in our time [71]
not all .....60%
eh? what do you mean by nobles, In Poland before the WWII there was many people of noble heritage but not necessary landowners or aristocrats, I think that you mix them them all.
Aristocracy members survived some in Poland and some emigrating, as for those of noble heritage mostly were counted as educated or officers - so proportionally and in comparison against other social groups they loses during were greater - but not 99%.
Maybe you are lucky to encounter gypsy's royalty?
so they killed off all the educated Poles
not all .....60%
that 99% of the Polish nobles were wiped out
eh? what do you mean by nobles, In Poland before the WWII there was many people of noble heritage but not necessary landowners or aristocrats, I think that you mix them them all.
Aristocracy members survived some in Poland and some emigrating, as for those of noble heritage mostly were counted as educated or officers - so proportionally and in comparison against other social groups they loses during were greater - but not 99%.
Usually when someone in Poland tells you they're a member of the nobility, you can count the minutes before they try to tap you for a loan.
Maybe you are lucky to encounter gypsy's royalty?
Ironside
7 May 2011
History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]
As Poland is the only real successor of the Commonwealth - and it is just an expression.
Yeah, typical piking on somebody and then calling for help, Crown was far too long stuck with the GDofL!
It is strange that most of you say that it was Poland only.
As Poland is the only real successor of the Commonwealth - and it is just an expression.
y the way first Livonian war was fought by GDL only, as Poland didn't send anything to help.
Yeah, typical piking on somebody and then calling for help, Crown was far too long stuck with the GDofL!
Ironside
7 May 2011
History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]
no - polska szabla husarska !
Are you showing the Polish officer's sabre, 1919-1939?
no - polska szabla husarska !
Ironside
7 May 2011
History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]
the best sabre ever :
No true.
PolskaMoc change your name to CommonNutter
the best sabre ever :
Alliance with Russia was never sought throughout the history of Poland.
No true.
PolskaMoc change your name to CommonNutter
Ironside
7 May 2011
History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]
Because modern historiography begins in XIX century, and Poland did not existed as an independent entity in XIX century. Same goes for XX century leave or take a few years, and all that informative stuff about Polish input or influences is not properly exposed, often not even mentioned.
Ah, and nowadays people write they information based on books not on sources.And even so, most of the sources has been destroyed by time, wars and malicious intend - for example Prussians melted most of Poland Crown Jewels.
Why are the polish inventors nowhere mentioned?
Because modern historiography begins in XIX century, and Poland did not existed as an independent entity in XIX century. Same goes for XX century leave or take a few years, and all that informative stuff about Polish input or influences is not properly exposed, often not even mentioned.
Ah, and nowadays people write they information based on books not on sources.And even so, most of the sources has been destroyed by time, wars and malicious intend - for example Prussians melted most of Poland Crown Jewels.
Ironside
7 May 2011
History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]
No! What is your point?
Have you got my point?
No! What is your point?
Ironside
7 May 2011
History / Where did the power of Poland vanish to, since... let`s say, some 300 years ago? [180]
Exactly, being kind of Poland and having his illegitimate son with him in Poland for a time being. Son who showed aptitude for military carrier.
Well, I don't know BB, you tell me, Poland is using division organization for x years, then a guy Maurice, who spend a few years in Poland,as a youngster interested in all things military, then he starts his carrier in France, become Marshal, and then write a book where he introduce a divisions system.
Well, was it his original idea or was he influenced by Polish practise? Well BB ?
August der Starke was a German too...
Exactly, being kind of Poland and having his illegitimate son with him in Poland for a time being. Son who showed aptitude for military carrier.
Well, I don't know BB, you tell me, Poland is using division organization for x years, then a guy Maurice, who spend a few years in Poland,as a youngster interested in all things military, then he starts his carrier in France, become Marshal, and then write a book where he introduce a divisions system.
Well, was it his original idea or was he influenced by Polish practise? Well BB ?