News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


Well, firstly there are a lot of people who don't believe in god, so that is hardly an argument. You might as well ask why Christians are sinners and will go to hell because they do not believe in Allah. Secondly, the god of the old testament is hardly a moral authority by modern standards. Remember how he tortured his most loyal servant just to make a point? Thirdly, if you actually knew this part of the bible, you'd would that homosexuality was actually the least of the sins commited in those cities.


Not like you ever made one that doesn't boil down to our insecurities and which are based on empty hatred.


Homosexuality is common occurence in nature, with many different species engaging into. Research indicates that people are born with those sexual orientations, with no way to change it. And since there is no harm in two consenting people engaging in sexual preferences of their choice, there is also no logical reason to discriminate against it. Why would anyone divulge hatred against a man who likes to date other men? As a man myself, it is not my concern, and if anything that makes one fewer competitor for the ladies.


Anyone who resorts to violence because they can not accept human nature is unfit to be a parent at all. And again, those stupid propaganda "phrases". People are in fact brainwashed to hate on LBGTQ, because there is no logical reason to do so in the first place.


I would take it more serious if they offered in terms in arguments than hypocrisy, superstition and empty hatred.

News / POKO and LGBT lobby is trying to sexualize children in Poland. Now they aim for adoption [120]


Always interesting how creative homophobes get when they try to rephrase perfectly normal endeavours. Teaching children that LBGT is perfectly natural and nothing to be either ashamed of, or discriminate against is "agressive LBGT propaganda" instead of a) common sense and b) based on scientific research. But some people just want to feel powerful by discriminating against people who were born with different sexual orientations to give some meaning to their empty lifes. It is so pathetic.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

Watching a Polish and German nationalist duking it out is really amusing (as long as they dont get their hands on guns).

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Aside from the fact that this guy was a lunatic and intented to die from the beginning, there evidence whatsoever that this would deter mass shootings. Americans are armed to the teeth, yet there are constantly mass shootings. Evidence suggest that loose gun laws increase the number of mass shootings, so no thank you. We dont want mass shootings to become a regular thing here, and I am sure Polish peole will agree.

This is just a diversion of gun advocats after each mass shooting. Instead of admitting that there loose gun laws cause them, they instead claim that "only of there had been a good guy with a gun", no matter how unrealistic and silly this is.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

As if this scenario would have allowed for self-defense. The culprit smbushed his targets at different bars, took them by surprise, and then left.

This is one of the most stupid arguments gun advocates make. As if some untrained civilians could stop a culprit when caught by surprise. Even trained police officers would have been helpless. It is a testiment to Germany's gun laws that we only rarely have such crimes. In fact only a few days ago, the police a couple of nazis who planned something similar, because attempts to get guns had caught the attention of the police.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

No doubt the Polish partitions benefited Prussia, but it is worth pointing out that the events that are usually seen as marking the Prussian ascendence to one of the five major powers, the Three Silesian wars, happened before that. Crucially it was surviving the Seven Years war what confirmed Prussia's position. And while the land gained from Poland was significant, it is also important to state that Silesia - which was taken from Austria - remained Prussia's economically most important area until the acquisiton of the Ruhr Valley and the Industrial revolution.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]


That was actually his father, and those guys lived actually a fairly confortable life and e.g. never went to war. Of pressing people into service was the standard back then, with the British navy being particulary infamous about this.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

It would have been in 1949, but moving the capital from one West German city to another in after 1949 would not have been a concialatory decision. And making the city that so perfectly embodied the German division the new division was a nice gesture. It was also a sign of of trust and hope towards the future development of Eastern Europe. You dont place your capital so close near the border unless you are sure that there won't be any future conflicts with your neighbours.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

We didnt vote on a new constitution after the Saar area joined Germany, why should it be done after East Germany joined? Yeah, it would have been a nice gesture, but an expensive one as well that would have required a lot of time and political effort that was needed for dealing with the more pressing problems of reunification. Imagine a legal limbo for many months, if not years. Furthermore, this constitution would have been mostly drafted by West Germans, since there were few prominent East German politician and no prominent constitutional experts. Would this really have been deemed as inclusive? Additionally there is also the question if there was even a majority of West Germans who would have wanted this, and changing the constitution without a referendum would have been problematic to say the least. You don't just draft a new constitution unless there is a real need for this, not for a symbolical gestures. Of those, we really had enough. Like changing the capital from Bonn to Berlin. That was and still is a hugely painful act for people in NRW.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]


Why? The Basic Law is really good constitution and served us well so far. Drafting a new constitution would have taken years, and it would probably would not have been much different from the one we have today.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

Which is of course nonsense.

The American troops are stationed in Germany due to a treaty that can be ended by the German government. They are not an occuppation force.

Germany also has a constitution, the basic law.

There is also no lack of legal closure. The KSZE treaty, and later the treaty of final settlement between Germany and the four victorial powers solved all legal issues that needed a final settlement from the war.

Basically what those people say is, that because the constitution is not named "constitution", despite being one, and the final treaty not being called "peace treaty", despite being one, they are both lacking. Completely ridiculous. That is like claiming that the UK is an absolute monarchy, because it has no written constitution.

History / Why is Vatican traditionally on German and not on Polish side? [65]

Yeah no, what Hochhuth did was a defamation campaign likely sponsored by the SED to weaken the authority of the church with very little basis in reality. I mean I like to criticize the church for their sins in the past, but the slander of Pius was just unfair and unjust. I have read several biographies about him, and none thought that this was in any way justified. It is not that his pontificate was perfect - then again none is - but singling out some flaws and overlooking all the good he did is not a fair assesment.

Anyway the vatican has now declassified the last documents about Pius, perhaps there will be new revelations, but that seems doubtful.

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]


By the same logic, we should stop buying oil and gas from all countries that are dictatorships. Which, even if possible, would lead to a significant increase in heating bills for our citizen, thus making unfeasible. Trade with Russia helped eaasing tensions between East and West during the Cold War, and became an important bargaining chip during the negotiations for the withdrawel of the SU from Eastern Europe. And it remains one to this day, because it is one the most effective deterrences we have. Putin knows that he can not afford to lose it, so he will always take this into consideration, e.g. in his policies towards the Baltic states. I've read once that the Baltic states are prepared to destroy NSII if they are invaded, which means that Russia would lose billions, even if the West would still want to buy his gas.


I doubt there are many projects that have been better prepared for this than NSII, precisely because the designers knew that this could be used as an excuse to halt the project. I recently watched a documentation about this. If there is a leak somewhere, the flow of gas can be stopped within a second.


Do you think Poland does the same in case one of the LNG shipments have an accident, which unlike NSII, often travel through German naval territory? Of course not.

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

The bottom line is, that the true arguments for and against NSII are economical. Poland does not want it, because it would lose bns as a transit country and the USA does not want it, because it would like to sell its' gas to Europe. Which are perfectly valid motives. But so are the arguments for NSII, which would save Germany and other countries billions.

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Well, he mentioned the fear that Russia could blackmail Europe via North Stream II, that was his one argument against it. The rest was apparantly about Nato, and asking Germany to spend 2% on its' defence.

I have also found artickes that stated that the Sczeczin harbour issue had been solved by late 2017 by a comission.

The blackmailing argument does not hold a lot of water, since Russia only accounts for a relatively small part of Europe's energy supplies, and the European countries nowadays have large emergency storages that could last them for more than a year, enough time to e.g. import it via LNG. Not to mention that this is a very double edged sword. Russia knows that its' only argument against those fears is its' decades long reliability as an energy supplier. Once it loses that status, it would be impossible to get it back. Which would mean the loss of hundreds of bns in revenues over the years. That is huge deterrence for them to pull that stunt, which again might not work that well anyway.

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

That problem has long been solved.

Even your PM did not bring it up in a recent interview with Der Spiegel.

spiegel.de/politik/ausland/umstrittende-pipeline-polens-regierungschef-kritisiert-nord-stream-2-scharf-a-111f7e00-88d8-480f-8fd7-7cb5f1613133

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

If Poland becomes independent in its' energy supply thanks to LNG, then what problem does it have with NSII?

News / Modern F-35 bought by Poland. Good decision? [288]


Sure, but it goes directly against what he promised. He said that he wanted the Europeans to foot the bill for the defense - a bill that doesnt really exist - but that has npt stopped him from spending even more money on defense. Spending more than you have on deterrence can also turn out poorly for you, as evidenced by the Soviet Union. And Trump has certainly created a debt problem.


Because America spends most of its' defense spending in Asia and the Middle East, so it does not matter how much the Europeans spend on their defence. In the end, the Americans will not save any money despite any increase in European spending. Furthermore it is generally in bad taste to complain about others supposedly not carrying their weight, when those others are still fighting in a war that you started and in which you asked for their help. Sure, Nato is very beneficial to Europe because it guarantees their security, but at no actual additional cost to the Americans. It were actually the Americans who placed a financial and military burden on their allies by dragging them into Afghanistan.

News / Modern F-35 bought by Poland. Good decision? [288]


Aside from the fact Merkel has little actual involvement in this project - mostly done by German buisnessmen and local politicians of the cities that serve as destination - this is hardly cantradictory. Countries like Poland and the Ukraine are also receiving Russian gas and are acting as transit countries, despite viewing Russia as their number one security risk.


You see, that is part of the false narrative that Trump is feeding you to later justify leaving Nato. American defence spending is almost exclusively centered around Asia and the Middle East, and European soldiers are still fighting in the only war that triggered the Nato defence article, namely Afghanistan. I mean it is not Trump has done anything to decrease American defense spending, on the contrary actually.

News / Modern F-35 bought by Poland. Good decision? [288]


Are you really accusing the one Western politician who has always been sceptical of Putin as "pro-Russia" and who coordinated the sanction regime against Russia after the Ukraine crisis as pro-Russia?

Say what you want about Merkel, she has been the first German politician who placed more importance on having good relations with Poland than with Russia, and it is a pity that PiS has done everything to sabotage that for domestic reasons. I suspect that many people will only realize that once she is gone, and the next German chancellors' follows Macron's approach of reconciliation with Russia.


There is a very clear pivot in the foreign policy of the USA away from Europe to Asia, that started already under Obama. Trump is de facto working on the dissulotion of Nato, making it slowly more acceptable for Americans to leave, by feeding into the false narrative that it does not benefit the USA. And that poses of course a challenge to Poland.

News / Modern F-35 bought by Poland. Good decision? [288]

Which is not true. Poland played an important part in the EU's Eastern policy and was among those who pushed for closer association the Ukraine. Poland was close to catch up to the Western European powers in terms of influence and form a decision-making trio with France and Germany.

Just a pity to watch it all being sqaundered by PiS.


That is just laughable. Few things have been more desired in Germany than for Poland to become wealthy and thus buy more of our products.

History / Poland - problem for Germany? (historically continual hostility of German state on Poland) [154]

Always interesting how nationalists confirm the worst impression of each other.

News / Modern F-35 bought by Poland. Good decision? [288]


If we are being objective here, the country who has lost political influence since 2015 is Poland due to PiS isolating the country. Poland is de facto excluded from any initiatives in Bruessels. Compare that to back under PO when Poland was a partner of France and Germany and helped formulating the EU's Eastern European strategy. Poland is now in a precarious siguation. It has alienated Germany and France, the UK is with Brexit about to lose most of its' European cloud and the USA are increasingly more isolationistic. PiS has so far not provided an answer how to get Poland out of that predicament.

News / Modern F-35 bought by Poland. Good decision? [288]

@Miloslaw

I think you are confusing Germany with the the UK here.

History / Why is Vatican traditionally on German and not on Polish side? [65]

I think you are too harsh in your assesment.

The Church under Pius XII did in fact a lot to help jews, e.g. by falsifying baptism certificates, and the pope himself was later thanked by the newly established state of Israel for this help.

He also - unlike some of the more conservative cardinals- never had any illusions about the nature of Nazism, and even wrote a highly critical enzyklia about it. He only stopped with his open criticism when it became clear that this did more harm than good, (by making the Third Reich crack down on all priests who published it for example), but he nevertheless encouraged those who criticized the regime, e.g. the famous archbiship Galen of Münster. Something that is often overlooked is that for most of his pontificate, Europe was basically devided between two totalitarian regimes who were deeply antireligious and who used to persecute priests. Not to mention how the Vatican was directly in reach of the Third Reich. In the end, he had to manouver under those difficult circumstances with limited ressources (as Stalin quipped: How many divisions does the pope have?) and without any guarantee (far from it in fact) that the worst part would be over by 1945. While there is certainly room for criticism, it can not be doubted that the Church had a very positive influence from 1939-1945.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]


Firstly, I would like to have a source on that claim and specifically how long that believe was supposedly taught. Estimations in the first few years were generally inaccurate because western historians had no access to the archives in Eastern Europe where most of the killing happened. Not to mention that those archives were often still incomplete due to the war.

Few subjects have been as thoroughly researched as the Holocaust, so we know have a very detailed picture of it. This includes more than 5m names. How do you explain that away?

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]


Because we know for certain that 5-6 million people were killed, it was just back then up to debate where and how. The number historians came up with starting with the 1950s had nothing to do with the claims of the Polish dictatorship that wanted to use the death toll for political means, so of course there was no need to reduce the number. See like this, we know the number of American soldiers killed in Europe during WWII is around 450-550k. which can proven by the documents about the fallen soldiers. Now imagine if the memorial at Normandy used to claim that at Normandy alone, 450k americans had been killed to play up its' importance, and would later be forced to reduce the number. Would we thereafter reduce the number of overall Americans killed? Of course not, since one unscientific claim does not invalidate the reliable documents we , and the same counts for the Holocaust victims.


Such as? You must be able to point to some, because they must be really famous if they contradict the number of 5-6m people. More than 5million whose names we know, I might add. If you refer to the claim that Red Cross documents show a significantly lower number of deaths, then this has been long debunked.

fullfact.org/online/holocaust-death-toll/

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]


Because we have a better understanding where and when they were killed. We know the names of more than 5m jews who have definitely been killed, so that number is not going down. The initial impression was that most of the killings were done in Auschwitz, but ever since the 1960s we know that a lot of it was done "decentralized". The number in Auschwitz was deemed as incorrect long before it was finally corrected, because Polish governments were keen on it being the main killing site for political reasons.


Because the Nazis kept lowering the bar on what it meant to be a jew. Initially after 1933, being a "half-jew" meant that you faced little discrimination, while it could later mean certain death. People were also increasingly required to prove that they were aryan, and it often tutned out that they had a mother/grandmother who was born jewish, but converted to christianity early in their life and never considered herself jewish.


Holocaust denial in a nutshell. There is no way to explain hundred thousands of documents, so they just pretend that they dont exist. Fun fact, I am currently researching the history of a small science society, and thus looking into documents that have not been read for decades. There is a massage among them, informing the society that one of their half-jewish members (who was baptized as a baby, and lived 70 years considering herself a good catholic) died during "the evacuation to the East". In truth she was deported to Auschwitz and died there. There is no way anyone could or would have faked this.


This is hardly surprising, directly after the war when official bureaus were often overworked, understaffed and possibly partly destroyed. Trying to find out the correct number killed is an ardenous task, and requires researching millions of documents. Which is why numbers changed, but successive generations of historians have done a good job by narrowing it down. Which is why no one can lower the number below 5.1, since this is the number of victims whose name we have. If you want to lower it, you must explain what happened to the others.

Law / Moving back to Poland - Healthcare [112]

That seems like a generalization. Poland has probably more new roads, since it build a lot of them with EU funds, but so does Germany particulary in East Germany. Considering the number of cars (domestic and foreign drivers) on German roads, I would argue our streets are pretty good.

News / Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations? [510]

So we ignore just the hundred thousands of documents which are deposited in thousands of archives across Europe that combined confirm the number of 5.1m-6.4 murdered jews?

Holocaust denial is an exercise in futility because the unrefutable evidence are not the "flashy" exhibits like the pictures and gas chambers, but the incredible large paper trail left behind by the Nazis, which would have been impossible to fake (let alone without a trace). This is btw. the reason why Holocaust always focus on the "flashy" evidence because they know perfectly well that there is no way to otherwise explain the documents, so they just pretend that it doesnt exist (and their gullible followerd usually dont know of them anyway).