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Ironside   
7 Apr 2012
News / History lessons no more in Poland (Tusk's change) [61]

PISA: Programme for International Student Assessment.

What is has to do with anything ? Doesn't it answer the question about programs and subject toughs in schools about the system and the way teachers are schooled and expected to deal with pupils, does it gives the answer to anything apart form some general assessment of few students abilities ?

Very few things to you actually do. Unless of course they are PIS inspired, than they make perfect sense.

Do you actually know Polish because your last attempt at translation was poorly done. Why do I ask?
Because you are talking about PiS and you seems to know very little about them.
As to your suggestion that something must be inspired by PiS to gain my acceptance I may only answer that such a thought must be inspired by your natural stupidity and mediocrity of your character.

If you think that I'm insulting you heed the fact of my many post were I have denied any political affiliation to PiS.
I would add that your blind acceptance of the current government every move is rather an obvious indicator that your views are motivated by the artificial knowledge of the Polish politician scene and country.
Ironside   
7 Apr 2012
News / History lessons no more in Poland (Tusk's change) [61]

Sadly for history-it is not measured on the PISA league table of international competitiveness in education, and Poland want's to be competitive, so something has to give.

That doesn't make any sense.

It's a general dumbing down process afflicting all aspects of Polish education.

bingo!
Ironside   
5 Apr 2012
News / History lessons no more in Poland (Tusk's change) [61]

like you and other PiS nutters

Interesting that you labeled me PiS supporter, that is your world, clique-man! I have nothing to do with PiS and never had, unlike you who is PO party member.

Characteristic is a way you guys think :)
As for the rest of your ramblings, they are just ramblings, it is just a sign that you loosing your cool, cause you lost your marbles long time ago.
Ironside   
5 Apr 2012
News / History lessons no more in Poland (Tusk's change) [61]

Stop lying.

Stop trolling!

Iron, do you really need to be as maniacally incompetent as they are?

Nobody is as incompetent as your beloved PO, stop your frantic posts aimed at me which are nonsense, and sounds really queer coming from the PO' member and an ardent political partisan.

I would gladly spit in your face and your leaders because they are doing a real harm to Poland. Image ? You are pathetic!

History lessons are going to remain at a previous number in all types of schools - primary, junior high, senior high. The only difference is that senior high school students, at the age of 16, are not going to start their course from the beginning, i.e., ancient times, repeating the same material again, like it used to be in the old system, but will continue the course from WW1 (the year 1918) where they finish in junior high now.

You are talking BS! History lesson for over 15 years old will not be the same. There will be History and Societylesson ,not history lesson, a different name, a different contents.

As for number of lessons, government says that number of lesson will remain the same but that government is known for lying through its teeth. I would rather believe experts who say otherwise.

Anyway if everything remain the same - why change anything ? It cost monies ain't it!
There plenty more urgent issues to be solved and government focuses on history lessons in schools just to change nothing ? phew!
Ironside   
29 Mar 2012
News / The census of 2011 in Poland. [12]

I know there are many Polish-Ukrainians but the 2 or 3x increase must be due to immigration.

I don't know and to be honest I don't care that much.
I just stumbled upon some statics I found interesting and decided to share.
By all means you are welcome to use my thread to discus demography and ethnic shift in Poland.
Ironside   
29 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

re the civil law and its courts impartial in Poland, or not?

I think not.

You draw your own conclusion. I am not trying to denigrate Rymkiewicz.

You are mising the point of this thread. It is not about Rymkiewicz it could be as well XYZ who expressed those opinions. It is about limits of the freedom of speech in Poland and if the court ruling rendered all the political debate impossible.
Ironside   
29 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

Perhaps the content of speech he gave was identical to that of the article, or perhaps not. It would greatly serve this thread if we could have an English translation, or a link to one, of the Gazeta Polska article in question.

He went to court because of the interview he given to the Gazeta Polska.
Specifically for his words:

Poles, standing in front of it (ie Cross), say they want to remain Poles. Those words awake such rage, such anger, such hatred in many- for example in the editors of "Gazeta Wyborcza" who expect Poles to cease to be Poles. "

The poet added that the editors of "GW" are "the spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party." According to him, "parents or grandparents, many of them were members of this organization, which was contaminated with the spirit of" luksemburgizmu "and thus founded on hatred of Poland and Polish people. These editors were brought up in that way that they have to live in hatred of the Polish cross. I think that these people are worthy of compassion - Polish Catholics should pray for them. "

Later he explained that by editors he meant those who "founded" GW. Mainly those pulling the strings.

GW is not only newspaper it is an institution with many tentacles in many state institutions, government, courts and such.GW is highly political and influential voice in Poland supporting by the way current government.

Owner of GW, Agora one of the biggest media company in Poland with Adam Michink pulling strings, and about him and his cronies Rymkiewicz ( originally Szulc) was talking.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_SA
There is no right - left political scenery in Poland, there is opposition and pro-government camp with Michnik supporting government.
His ambition is to heavy influence political life in Poland. There would be nothing wrong with it but he cannot stand opposition or opponents of his visions.

Many time hes newspaper was publishing articles much worse that anything Rymkiewicz said or insinuated If you want I will find them for you.
Lately he is trying to shut any critics of his up by suing them.

uch an editorial statement could indeed cause GW to lose money

Indeed but he is aiming at domination and is not interested in the free exchange of ideas.

When you finally decide with whom you are talking let me know and then maybe I will disscuss with you.

I think that I don't want to talk to you but I reserve the right to comment on the most outrageous of your lies.
Ironside   
28 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

Request seconded, Ms journalist.

You just showed you true colors A. You doing it all the time and yet you view yourself or you want to be viewed by others as somebody impartial.

Let make it clear once and for all, you are partisan of political clique, biased to the core - end off!

Ok, enough of rumbling ;)

Yes I agree that little speech you have written there means nothing, it just noise, a waste of typing power.

HHis words could have big impact on GW (also financial one)

That statement is provable and you could be brought to court if you lie, I'm sure that is the only reason you used the word "could"! As you know that Rymkiewicz's words had no impact at all on GW neither financial nor moral.

said that it is Concience-Logic Syndrome.

No it is a left bolox syndrome!

So, can we use defamation law, or not?

I have already explained my stance and the fact that there is no contradiction. Predictably you choose to ignore my explanation and quote once again my posts because you have nothing else to support your logical fallacy. I'm sure that you will bring it few more times. Good luck.

Bashing the Bible is not a political debate and serve no other purpose but bashing for a sake of bashing,hence should be punishable by the law.

On the other hand Rymkiewicz's words were a part of public, political debate in which GW takes active part for years and what more it was an opinion, hence the law should keep away.

One of the clearest of those boundaries is accusing someone of a crime without offering concrete proof. In this case that boundary was crossed.

What crime editors of GW have been accused, pry tell !

Say, I am a bar owner. You run your local community paper. One day you assert in your paper that I hate Irish Catholic people. I summon you first to publicly apologize and optionally compensate me for your wrongdoing. You refuse. I sue you. Now the burden is on you to prove in court my Irish-Catholic-hating attitude.

Say that story has nothing to do with the case we discus. Firstly it was newspaper that somebody expressed opinion about!Secondly business wasn't some bar but political publishing of politically controversial opinions. One would expect that such newspaper would be first to defend freedom of speech in political debate, soon that ruling could be used against them with impunity and if then they will scream murder I will laugh!

Not under the Polish civil law.

Lets agree for the sake of an argument that you are right about that. You would agree with me that the law should apply equally to everyone.?

Well, it isn't happening because GW many times published articles which in the light of the case were slanderous and should be punished by the law.

Anyway I still think that for the sake of freedom of speech such ruling shouldn't have happened.
Ironside   
27 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

You are so proud how freedom of expression works so beautifully

The fact remains that Rymkiewicz's words for everybody who is not biased or partisan are not slanderous but only an opinion in the political debate.
Ironside   
27 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

According to the position of the Supreme Court's offensive speech against a third party violates their personal rights and can not be tolerated, especially when expressed in public.

Thats bolox and you know it ! If that have been vigorously prosecuted editors of GW wouldn't be able to publish anything except for commercials .

The question remains what is offensive and what is an opinion in political debate.
Ironside   
26 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

Why not let Poland`s Poles decide if their freedom is in danger or not? .... :):):):):):):)

Because I care ?
Why don't you cut amount of BS? Is that your argument? - weak!
Ironside   
26 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

The only thing that fails here is your logic.

Yeah ? keep talking ....

Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to purposefuly lie and offend anyone, to violate someone's dignity.

Really ? would you like to apply that to countless articles of GW ?

The dignity of every human is also protected by Polish law. Therefore I praise the court for ruling against Rymkiewicz and for having the courage to speak the obvious (at least obvious for some on PF).

the case against Rymkiewicz is nonsense because such interpretation of the law would render all public debate impossible.
Basically you're saying that one can say anything as long as one doesn't offend somebody or his (defined by himself dignity).
Which is another nonsense because that would be opposite of free speech. Limits yes, lies, profanities, malicious untrue rumors, yes that is not free speech.

In politics and political debate such restraints should be even more relaxed!
That is especially true for GW - a newspaper that is so political and used frequently in the published articles opinions and point of view which given your interpretation of freedom of speech should be punishable by the law.

GW wrote that Kaczynski want to become dictator, falsify election and many more.
Politicians whose GW editors did not like, they never hesitated to claim those politicians are spiritual heirs of the Black Sotnia, or ayatollah.
Lets wage here :
- an individual speaking his mind about editors and political line of a newspaper
- A powerful newspaper, publishing its views in hundreds of thousands copies.
Who is more influential?
Both expressed their opinion (GW many times).
Who was punished ?
It appears that in practice GW can freely do the same for which Rymkiewicz had been punished. Seems that that would be a contrary to what the free speech is all about.

Your comments show that state and law doesn't mean much to you, unless they are on your side.

That is the pick of hypocrisy, you're accusing me of your own malady. Please write more in this tenor for everyone to see your utter contempt for law and justice.

This posts are written by a supporter of PiS, a party of declared state worshippers. I don't think that Poland needs such love ;/

What has it got to do with anything ? Did I ask you who do you support or which football team do you support ?That information is irrelevant to me but not for an utterly biased and political partisan like you.

Your first and uttermost loyalty is your clique. Not honor, not country, not law, not justice, not the truth but the clique. You don't ask yourself is he guilty or not but is he ours or not?.

You have no clue what free speech means and what freedom means and you never will, you are what I call a Soviet-Pole.A waste of space.

As I said, if the law is not on your side, then it is a bad law, isn't Ironside?

Not as an answer to you but to somebody who is reading this thread.
I think that the RCC in Poland because of historical facts needs protection against publicity stunts aimed at religion and against vulgar remarks uttered by talentless blond bimbos for no other reason than to be present on TV.

I have nothing against any opinion about the RCC expressed in a tactful manner and if the point of discussion is about some issue not winging.

It is amusing that you decided to defend Rymkiewicz The Hypocrite. I guess you founded common ground....

I'm not defending Rymkiewicz but I'm defending freedom in Poland which is clearly in danger.

Rymkiewicz asked by Piotr Rogowski

You still do not understand ! He (Rymkiewicz) can be right he can be wrong but he still has a right to express his opinion without prosecution. It is not a case for courts and that is what the court should state.

You clearly have no idea or do not grasp the concept of freedom of speech. You do not grasp the Polish spirit and Polish culture, you are spiritual alien !
Ironside   
25 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

Hey Ironside, what my pryings got to to with anything?

I don't know about your prying but if you don't pray to Michnik and GW isn't your bible then your comparison fails.

In court proceedings everything is about the facts and proofs.

Shouldn't than even attempt to rule in this case as it is clearly not about facts. It is about an opinion and political debate.

The ruling itself is political and has nothing to do with facts.

Btw, how nice of you to use wikipedia, when we talk about Polish law.

I'm using wiki to avoid debate about the word "opinion"!

I see that I'm talking with a true expert, who have knowledge and authority to judge Polish judges ;/

I see that I'm talking to an Egyptian priest. Mystery, secret knowledge and sacred procedures mastered only by the blessed few. I didn't know that Poland has social structure of ancient Egypt and court rulings are above judgment and taboo. One can only bow and accept - you wish!

In democracy there is freedom of speech and almost everything is open to debate by a free citizens, especially when the case is political as it is.

To prove that a certain opinion is slanderous or not is not an easy task,

Yes it is almost impossible.

Ups... busted

Phew?

and here is evidence:

You mean that post taken out of context ? It is about freedom of speech, there is nothing about an opinion, but about provocation, publicity stunt and religion beliefs.

Nothing to do with the case above. Sorry to burst your bubble !
Well, I'm not really sorry !:)

If the Polish far-right want communist symbols and songs banned as offensive under the law, they also need to understand that accusations are similarly offensive under the law.

err ? come again ?
Ironside   
25 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

I wanted to remaind you about this basic law, because your every post show that you never heard of it.

That is your opinion !Same may find it slanderous !

Please, remember to use facts . You clearly have problems in that department.

I think that you have many problems not only in department of comprehension but it only my opinion and I cannot prove it. However I hope that you have nothing to do with the law in Poland for the sake of justice.

Perhaps you have some sensational facts about GW

You seems to not been able to grasp that an opinion that GW editors are the spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party is not about facts.

It is about an opinion!!!!!! In general, an opinion is a subjective belief, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

Do I have to spell it for you??

That means that GW gave judges sufficient evidence to counter Rymkiewicz slander and that also means that Rymkiewicz was just expressing his slanderous views without any evidence to support them.

No it mean that judges bended backwoods to accommodate powerful editors with many friends in high places.They think that can get away with it.

What evidence could they produce ?It is all about iinterpretation of facts!
Slanderous ? How you can prove without doubt that an opinion is slanderous ? ????

In this way you would render all public debate impossible because if somebody wouldn't like your opinion about something,would surly sue you ?
Anyway GW produced a lot of articles which could be labeled as slanderous. Some even included lies.
Ironside   
24 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

Nope, the ruling was all right as Rymkiewicz wasn`t able to prove that the paper`s editors hate Polish and Christianity as "the spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party."

Editors didn't proved they aren't ! That is the crux of the matter. You cannot prove it one way or the other !

he editors took an offence, sued him and won. It is normal in a democratic country.

I haven't said a word about that have I? I have no issue with that, what I find revolting is the court ruling and people who were judging in this case. What are their names?

A remark:

Well, I know you don't like Rymkwicz because he supports other party than you, but you needn't be so open about that as it has nothing to do with the court ruling.
Ironside   
24 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

That is nuts!

Even a nut have a right to express an opinion.
Regardless what party he is supporter.
What is nut is judges whose ruling is really beyond any limits of decency! Contrary to Rymkiewicz those judges are danger to the Polish interdependence and liability to the justice in Poland.
Ironside   
24 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

So do I!
When somebody pretend that court ruling is anything other than disgrace.

In times of tyranny and injustice, when law oppresses the people,it is time to make things right. Down with tyranny.
Ironside   
23 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

Don`t be silly. Michnik was detained

Sure he was a hero who singlehandedly destroyed Soviets Union, as a first human in history landed on Mars,
No, the thread is not about Michnik and whether he was detained or not but about his and his newspaper political stance and an attitude towards Catholics and Polish traditions,

Oh, I see. It seems like a personal issue between you and Michnik based on primitive envy.

What is based your attitude to Michink and why do you think that your attitude is superior not based on self-interest .
Ironside   
23 Mar 2012
News / The census of 2011 in Poland. [12]

The increase in Ukrainians must be due to the increase in Ukrainians who began coming over in the early 90s in large numbers and have since gained legal status??

nope there Ukrainians in Poland, ask aphrodisiac-miranda
Ironside   
23 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

No, he wasn't.

OK!

Quite, and if the right wing want to ban communist symbols, songs etc as hate objects they have to understand that the law applies to them too.

What about freedom of speech then ?

Slander/libel are crimes in democratic countries.

An Opinion is not slander, especially in politics.

the country's best selling newspaper i

hey ho ? It isn't bestselling newspaper !
Ironside   
22 Mar 2012
News / The census of 2011 in Poland. [12]

In the census of 2011, it was the first time when population of the country had the opportunity to express complex national-ethnic identity.

There were 809 000 declaration of Silesian identity. In that only 362 000 declared only Silesian self-identification,while 415 000 presented themselves as Polish and Silesian.
About ​228 000 people, declared Kashubian identity with 212 000 expressing Polish-Kashubian nationality, and 16 thousand. - Only Kashubian.

In 2011 about109 000 residents declared German ethnicity. In 2002 it was 150 thousand.
Ukrainian ethnicity declared about 48 000 Polish citizens. As Belorussian declared themselves 47 000, as Roma (Gypsy) - 16 000. There about 13 000 Russians, 11 000 Americans (USA), 10 000 £emko (interesting) , and about 10 000 English.

Hey what about Scots ? I guess English stand for British.

At the time according to census there is about 1.94 million Polish citizens who are living abroad for more than a year.
Most of them were staying in the UK (30.2%), Germany (21.6 %)., USA (11.4 %)Ireland (6.5%). And the Netherlands (4.6 %)
Ironside   
22 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

Poet and writer Jaroslaw Marek Rymkiewicz ( age 77) have to apologize to the publisher of "Gazeta Wyborcza" and pay five thousand zł fine, because he said that the editors of "GW" hate Polish and Christianity as "the spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party."

Well he was right, wasn't he?
Anyway, what about freedom of speech ?
He should has a right to express his opinion.

culture.pl/web/english/resources-literature-full-page/-/eo_event_asset_publisher/eAN5/content/jaroslaw-marek-rymkiewicz