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Joined: 13 Sep 2011 / Male ♂ 		Last Post: 21 Dec 2011
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KingAthelstan   
1 Oct 2011
History / Do you regard the Polish Communist Partizans as heroes? [36]

I'm married to a Serbian women, but yes I'm about as English as it gets.

Soviet partisans in Poland are not synonymous with Polish communists partisans.

I'm sorry I didn't realise there was a difference between The Polish communist Partizans:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armia_Ludowa

So yes, I would like to know how the 'Armia Ludow Communists' are viewed in modern Polish historiography?

P.S I just have an interest in Eastern European history during the war.
KingAthelstan   
1 Oct 2011
History / Do you regard the Polish Communist Partizans as heroes? [36]

What about modern Polish historiography and about what they teach you in schools regarding the Polish Communist Partizans.

I know in Serbia the Partisans are still held in very high regard and as heroes by many.

Obviously post communist Poland's historiography would be very different than during the cold war, but I'm interesting in knowing specifically how the Polish Partizans, not the Red Army or NKVD are viewed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_partisans_in_Poland
KingAthelstan   
29 Sep 2011
History / Why do Polish people hate to be called Eastern European? [120]

The mainstream media: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7574061.stm (BBC)

refer to you as Eastern Europeans.

How about the UN's official designation of Poland?

unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm#europe

I spoke to my Polish cleaner lady last week and asked her if she minded being called Eastern EUropean?

She replied: 'No, I am from Eastern Europe'
KingAthelstan   
29 Sep 2011
History / Why do Polish people hate to be called Eastern European? [120]

In the UK you are seen as Eastern Europeans

ref
1 news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7574061.stm
2 dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361502/Ed-Miliband-admits-Eastern-European-immigration-underestimated-Labour.html
3 unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm#europe

yes ref 3 was the official UN regional divisions, Lo and behold Poland is in Eastern Europe.
KingAthelstan   
29 Sep 2011
History / Why do Polish people hate to be called Eastern European? [120]

Russia is not Europe, It is niether Europe nor Asia. Poland is in Eastern Europe

Here is an article referring to Russia, Eastern Europe as separate entities

avert.org/aids-russia.htm

dept of Russian AND Eastern European Studies at Washington University

lib.washington.edu/subject/History/tm/russia.html

Dept of Russian and Eastern European studies at Manchester Uni :

llc.manchester.ac.uk/subjects/russian/

ox.ac.uk/admissions/postgraduate_courses/course_guide/russian_east.html
travelsphere.co.uk/destinations/europe/grand-tour-of-eastern-europe-and-russia/
reenic.utexas.edu
KingAthelstan   
22 Sep 2011
Life / Racism in Poland - the future [441]

England people they not ethnic group,savvy?

They are as much an ethnic group as Poles or Croats or Dutch.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people

'wikipedia: The English (from Old English: Englisc) are a nation and ethnic group native to England, who speak English.'

ps........

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada#Ethnicity go tell the Canadian government that English is not an ethnic group.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Canadian
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_American
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Chilean
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Australian

they are regarded as an ethnic group in the census of Canada, USA, Australia, and Chile to name a few.
KingAthelstan   
22 Sep 2011
Life / Racism in Poland - the future [441]

The native English are essentially the Anglo Saxons

read the whole paragagh :'(Anglo Saxons) + Allot of Anglized Celts + Anglised , assimilated Danish and Norwegian Vikings + Pre celtic people not just anghlo saxons. what I said is the peoples of the Kingdom of England had coalesed by the time of the Norman invasion into an regocnaiblly English not merely Anglo Saxon identity.

Noone in Tudor times called themslves called thelsves Ango-saxon, they were English of English culture of English identity. It wasn't until 19th centaury romanticism that some scholars beagn to take in interst in the anglo saxon elemnt.

In Russia you can be an ethnic Tatar and still be civicly and culturally assimilated into Russian culture but will not be an ethnic Russian.

In Poland you can be civicly Polish and still ethnically Belorussian.

In germany You can be civcly Turkish but will never be ethnically German.

I'm guessing you are an assimilated 2nd generation Pole.

I am English of English Ethnicity.

Some of us
are even black, others are Jewish; others too have Polish ancestry. But all are part of the nation.

they are not native, they are assimilated into english identity culture, civicly English, the English have a right to be an ethnic group as do any other.
KingAthelstan   
22 Sep 2011
Life / Racism in Poland - the future [441]

Who lived where and how people identified themselves 1500 years ago has precious little to do with anything today.

The native English are essentially the Anglo Saxons + Allot of Anglized Celts + Anglised , assimilated Danish and Norwegian Vikings + Pre celtic peoples who were simply assimilated by the Celts. By 1066 an English identity was already there.The Normans did NOT regard themselves as ethnic English and took them about 300-350 years to embrace English identity, by witch time the Viking decendents of Yorkshire, the celts of Cumbria and Devon had all coallced into a responsibly English ethnicty as opposed to Anglo saxon.

Does it? Give some examples. Every English person I know is proud of who they are and their heritage.

London for instance has completely lost it's native cockney English identity, in England, the 'multiculturalism' we have been fore fed is apparently the only thing we are aloud to be proud of, according Red Ken Livingstone. It is racist to fly a St Georges cross, it is racist to have a parade for st georges day, yet a festival for Ramadan is not only encouraged but funded by the tax payer. I thank god Am not from London, but my grandfather is and it brought a tear to his eye to sea what it has become after visiting, it is not just London but other major cities like Birmingham and Bradford. We bend over backwards to accommodate the needs and whims of people from India,Pakistan,Africa ( put up council signs in their lanaguge,, fund their festivals, even have ethnic minotiy employemnt quotas, they are scared to offend Muslims and bend over backwards to please their every demand even install third world type toilets for them. Yet native english culture is deemed racist.

Here English people get discriminated against for not being 'ethnic' enough.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-473249/English-girl-barred-Government-job--wrong-kind-white.html

The welsh have Welsh cultural prohects funded by the tax payer, you see flags flying everywhere in wales, no so in England.

The English are an ethnic group like the Kurds and the Appache Indians and the Serbs and the Poles or any other.
KingAthelstan   
22 Sep 2011
Life / Racism in Poland - the future [441]

Especially as some will predictably say that there's "no such thing as indigenous English/British/White Europeans" etc (implying that only non-whites can be "indigenous peoples")

It is really cool and progressive to help encourage and fund native cultures even here in Britain such as the Welsh or Cornish, yet being proud of native English culture makes you a racist.

And no the whole England was always a nation of immigrants crap is a modern left wing piece of historical revisionism. The same can be said for example of Poland in that it was originally inhabited by Germanic,Celtic and Baltic peoples and the Slavs only came in the Dark ages and absorbed their predecessors, afterwards in turn being conquered themselves briefly by the Mongols, influxes of Tatars all of which would by the late middle ages have coalesced or been assimilated into a Polish ethnicity But no one will deny a Pole his right to be an ethnic Pole.

The native English are essentially the Anglo Saxons + Allot of Anglized Celts + Anglised , assimilated Danish and Norwegian Vikings + Pre celtic peoples who were simply assimilated by the Celts. By 1066 an English identity was already there. I am not an Anglo- Saxon as my mother is from West Devon and is probably an Anglicised Celt as are meant other people. The Normans did NOT regard themselves as ethnic English and took them about 300-350 years to embrace English identity, but also had a very limited genetic impact as they were no more than a small ruling elite.

I respect the right of to be of the Cornish to be called ethnic Cornish, and yet I chided for being proud of being English.
KingAthelstan   
22 Sep 2011
Life / Racism in Poland - the future [441]

Me, I have nothing against Jews per se, just am disgusted with Israel, for many reasons.

I couldn't care less about Israel, the western media are obsessed with them. There are far worse conflicts in the world Yemen, Congo, Darfur, Somalia, Sri lanka, Kurdistan that nobody seems to give two hoots about. The Turks (who are members of Nato) are bombing the cr*p out of the Kurds and the world turns a blind eye and they have the audacity to criticize the Israelis.

What Russia does In Chechnia or Dagestan is just as bad yet gets a fraction of the coverage.
KingAthelstan   
22 Sep 2011
Life / Racism in Poland - the future [441]

@gumishu

The English are an ethnic group

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Canadian

The Dutch for instance have no problem saying ethnic Dutch ( who have a similar similar demographic in terms of modern immigrant communities to us), why is it so politicly incorrect to say ethnic English? I am not merely white , I am ethnic English, simple as.

Dutch census: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherlands#Recent_developments

causes.com/causes/189620-english-ethnicity-must-be-includched-as-an-option-on-the-2012-uk-census
KingAthelstan   
22 Sep 2011
Life / Racism in Poland - the future [441]

Anyhow, here are your beloved Jews: Perhaps they learned this behavior from the 'nazi' Poles who so persecuted them...

I am not a Jew, I don't know what you have against them? I'm an English lad who was brought up Church of England .

And if you look at the Polish pre war census you will see they are defined as an ethnicity, same applies to the Soviet Union/Russia where they are still counted as an ethnic group.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Pasternak
look at Pasternak's ethnicity in the right hand corner.
KingAthelstan   
22 Sep 2011
Life / Racism in Poland - the future [441]

being non-white can have its consequences in Poland

No you don't get me, I am English.Yes that means I'm white, but I don't like the term White English, It's an absurd term, I was making a point that no one in Poland is called white Polish, if an Pakistani man was born in Poland, he would still be an Pakistani. Yet in England I am reduced to being referred to by the government and lefty media as 'white working class' No I'm English not White I just happen to be White. I think you will find that the English are not yellow or purple, we are the same colour as you Poles.
KingAthelstan   
22 Sep 2011
Life / Racism in Poland - the future [441]

other than white English,

I'm of English ethnicity, not WHITE English, that's a ridiculous term concocted by the government. I'm just English not White that is an American concept of race. In Poland you have ethnic Poles and ethnic Belorussians,you used to have ethnic Jews, no such thing as White Polish.
KingAthelstan   
20 Sep 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

You're in Eastern Europe, yes the central part of Eastern Europe, but not Central Europe. Everybody in the UK, Germany Norway, and Western Europe sees you as Eastern Europe, including the media here in England.

Eastern Europe...end of discussion.
KingAthelstan   
19 Sep 2011
News / Should Poland leave the EU institution? [147]

they will no longer have a legal right to work here and will have apply for work permits, after which only a fraction (20% at a guess) would be granted.
KingAthelstan   
15 Sep 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Yes...well...There's a fine line between lunacy and its contrast. Whether it runs horizontally or vertically, from a global perspective it's circular, eventually.

who one earth said I hate Eastern Europeans? I have a great fondness and respect for Eastern European culture. spasiba

so Lvov and Brest in the 2nd Polish republic was in Central Europe lulz who ya kiddin???. no way Torvarish, No way. the Germans see you as Eastern Europe as do the the Scandinavians. get over it for gods sake.

DER SPIGEAL : isnt nicht english

spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,759325,00.html
KingAthelstan   
15 Sep 2011
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Heh, but if KingAthelstan says that Poland is in EE then it must be :-)

get over it, everybody in England says Eastern Europe. ffs I know it causes you allot of buthurt but stop being such a douche.Bbe proud of your slavic roots, The UN sees Poland as EE ffs look it up.