News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


You may not think so, but embryology begs to differ. The fetus is a distinct being separate from his or her mother. The fetus is dependent on his or her for survival. Just as the 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year ild is dependent on another human for his or her survival.

Does the father have a say? If not, why should fathers then be on the line financially for their children when a part from the mother (regardless of who left whom-it's all about free decisions afterall)?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


I'll have to look this guy up and his pre-persons idea!

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

@jon357

At 24-28 weeks a fetus has the hardware to experience consciousness. So, possibly.

There are theories that state full self-consciousness is developed at 6-7 years old. In other words, self-consciousness is about development. So, again, you are arguing about the stage of permissibility to kill a human being.

We are all a mass of cells, jon. That argument is intellectually silly. The "it's a part of a woman's body" argument, though is sad as hell. It is not only a minimizing of the biological reality that the fetus is a unique living human, but it has also diminishes the uniqueness of women. The ability to bring forth new human life is an utterly mind-blowingly beautiful uniqueness of womanhood. The "it's a part of a woman's body" argument degrades that uniqueness to a type of chattel ownership that rejects and destroys the chattel. It's a sign of the ugliness and disorder of our times.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

@jon357

In the specific of what we are talking about, a human fetus in his or her mother's womb, sentience would be about sensory perception. Whether a fetus knows of his or her existence while in the womb has absolutely no objective effect on the reality of his or her existence. There is absolutely no denying the fetus exists and is human, because if it didn't exist the decision of aborting it would be moot because there would be nothing to abort.

Viability, sentience, heart beats and on and on are not about the fundamental reality of a human being existing in the womb of his or her mother. Those things are about developmental stages and conditional quality of a human. So, the question you are really posing is at what stage of development or condition of life is it permissible to end a human being's life.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

@jon357

It's about the capacity to perceive or experience feeling. In this case, what perception or feeling other than pain would we be talking about?

Why is sentience germane to aborting a human life in the womb?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


In your opinion, is ability to experience pain the deciding factor? Why?


I would have to assume if sentient is the deciding factor then the emotional anguish of the 700 or so people who have the condition that blocks them for feeling pain must be unimaginable.

News / Let's protest censorship in Poland's mainstream media! [90]


You are overstating Jones' influence and power. He's not some heavyweight big guy. He has much less influence than Rachel Maddow who is his parallel on the left.

Feedback / Is it Polish forum or foreign forum? [159]

@GefreiterKania

Thanks! I was hoping to avoid reading on a screen, but it appears it's my only choice.

News / Let's protest censorship in Poland's mainstream media! [90]


Hahaha!!! Good one!

Jones is out there much of the time, but he hits the mark every now and again, at least 10 years ago or so he did. The dude is seriously high strung.

Feedback / Is it Polish forum or foreign forum? [159]


I've been wanting to read some of his stuff for awhile now, but all his stuff in English is out of print. Any suggestions where to find?

Off-Topic / Pop A Cork - Wine [396]


Me too, but only because it's much cheaper than Hermitage. I've only had a glass from Hermitage once, and it was the best wine I've ever had. I didn't know it was Hermitage when I was drinking it. I can't say I've experienced anything that has lived up to its lofty reputation as that wine.

What Crozes Hermitage producer do you normally buy? Is it the red-the syrah--or the white?


I recently came across an Alsatian Riesling that is easy on the wallet that was very good, IMO. Ziegler. It's a trocken with crisp green apple and melon notes. Balanced and smooth--very nice finish that stays with you for awhile.


Isn't that the German version of sparkling wine?

I'm with jon on the halbtrocken, I much prefer trocken, although I've had some pretty good halbtrocken rielsing.

Off-Topic / Pop A Cork - Wine [396]

@Alien

Tell me some more about this Krimskoye. Is it red or white? Is the grape called krimskoye? How's the body? Acid?

*goes searching the internet for this Ukrainian wine

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

@Novichok

Hahaha... medicine. Olive oil is tasty. Avocados are too when seasoned right.

@Bobko
Yeah, good question, what exactly is good?


That's why you're such a jackass, you don't drink...or at least, don't drink enough. :)

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

Maybe that's what you eat. I find a lot of delicious in herbs, spices, good fats (olive oil, nuts, avacafos, and on and on and on), and good sugars ( fruits, vegetables, etc).

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

Thankfully, they're usually based on the more joyful aspects such as taste, texture, and aroma. Polish food does well, IMO. I like Kuchnia Polski (or however you say it).

Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

@Bobko

Yeah, calling any national cuisine better than the French is pretty tenuous territory (although the Italians can make the French sweat, and you give a German an oven and some flour they become as dangerous as they are behind a tank). But, those climates and soils allow for a much greater variety of foodstuffs during a longer period-the french and italians.

Nonetheless, gołąbki and kotlet scharbowy are pretty damned good in their own right. The Poles do a great job with pork and dairy products and root vegetables, IMO.

Not to miss an opportunity to sing my own praises: I made a beef bourguignon two Sundays ago that kicked all kinds of ass.

Off-Topic / Pop A Cork - Wine [396]

Many folks not familiar with KY are often shocked by its gentle beauty...rolling hills. I'm not a Kentuckian myself, but I'm close enough.

Funny thing about the Kentucky bourbon industry is that not very long ago it was on the brink of nearly collapsing. But, the past 10-15 years have been a boon to it--it's a hot product. A lot of good folks work in that industry.

I visited Bardstown 2 or 3 times before it became a bourbon hotspot and I was ready to relocate there. There used to be an artist who had a gallery there (he's died)--he was high quality--who swore it was the best place to live in the whole world.

Off-Topic / Pop A Cork - Wine [396]


No, I've had a singular disgust for tobacco all my life--even though when I was growing up everyone around me smoked. Go figure.

Bourbon country is but down the road from me, so I'm no stranger to it. Buffalo Trace is good stuff, but so is Maker's. It's been a while since I bought bourbon, but give Russell's Reserve a go (if you haven't already)--not overly expensive and just damned good! If you ever have an opportunity to visit Bardstown KY, do it--neat place.


You won't be disappointed--unless you have completely opposite taste as me. :)

Off-Topic / Ukraine, Belarus, Russia in EU in 2030? [105]

Well, looks like the EU has a new member.

From Foxnews:

The European Union accepts Ukraine's application, will start 'special admission': report

The EU has accepted Ukraine's application and has commenced a special admission procedure to integrate the country, Eastern European media has reported.

The EU will also look to switch Ukraine over to its power grid in the coming weeks, further integrating the country into the European structure.

Life / Has feminism and lesbianism progressed in Poland? [645]


I don't believe that's true. What seems to be emerging more than anything is there seems to be a wide variety of contributing factors. Biological factors may make one more susceptible to external influences than others, but I'm not aware of any accepted theory that biology alone is supported.

I'm interesting in knowing your definitions of nature and norms.

My view is nature is the essence of something.

Norms are accepted behaviors, so they are learned. I subscribe to natural law, so I believe for them to contribute to true human flourishing they should be informed by natural law (which admittedly has certain limits, which is expected being that our minds are limited).

Life / Has feminism and lesbianism progressed in Poland? [645]


We don't know if that's true or not, though.


Are nature and the norm the same thing, in your mind? Does the norm spring from nature, or vice-versa?

Life / Has feminism and lesbianism progressed in Poland? [645]

:) Is nature learned or the essence of something? How do you define norm?

It seems like a contradiction to say men and women are programmed by nature to procreate...thats why they experience attraction...to ensure survival of the species. Then, say: homosexuality is abnormal but not necessarily unnatural, if you get my drift. It occurs in nature, therefore it is natural..

Homosexual intercourse will never produce a child. You say we are programmed by nature to produce children, yet homosexuality (or at least the act of homosexual sex) cannot produce children and you recognize that as natural. How do you reconcile that?

Life / Has feminism and lesbianism progressed in Poland? [645]


So the progression of lesbianism (homosexuality) is a progression away from nature, yes?

News / How does Poland feel about influx of US troops? [60]


Yeah. Did you hear what Macron had to say the last time he was in Russia to meet Putin (this would've been within the last month or two, I believe)? He, the leader of France, had to wait 7 hours to go through protocols including taking a PCR test before Putin would meet with him.

News / How does Poland feel about influx of US troops? [60]

1) There is no such thing as an EU army. It doesn't exist.
2) Why would NATO or EU member army engage Russia in Uke? Uke is neither a NATO or EU member.

As a whole your post doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Care to elaborate?

News / How does Poland feel about influx of US troops? [60]


But not long enough. These sanctions are going to have zero effect on Russia when it counts: now and the immediate future.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

I wish I had more time to go deeper, but my boss has the audacity to expect some production out of me today.


Is that true, though? You acknowledge it's a homicide, so we do make a call on it as members of a society by determining if it's a criminal or non-criminal act.


Why do you shut the man out? Why does the father not have a say? When I child is born we expect a father to share some responsibility of caring for the child. I can attest that a father can love a child as deeply as any mother.


When is a human being viable? At birth? One week? A month? A year? Those little babies seem to depend on others to keep them viable after birth.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

@Cojestdocholery

I say this as an attempt to help with more productive conversation:

I'm pro-life and I can tell you that to make pro-life arguments by making it into a personal attack (whether the attack is mild or wild) rarely works and nearly always is counter-productive. Always keep in mind that even pro-aborts have the same human dignity and free will as a pro-lifer.

That's my public service announcement for the day. :)

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


If it is to be valued enough to be given legal protection, why should it be rare?

Where is it legal and rare? Even Bill Clinton, who coined the phrase, didn't actually mean it; he phrased it to unify abortion supporters.