History / Where did Poles spend summer vacations in the PRL era? [63]


Sorry, but I've never been to Bulgaria, but I heard stories of people going there for a summer holiday in all family packed into the Polski Fiat 126P. It seemed an absolutely crazy idea to me at that time not even mentioning our time.

I was once on the Balaton lake (the Hungarian sea) during the PRL times. Also in Budapest and the western part of Hungary. All was magical for me in Hungary even if the country was then Poland's socialist "brother country". I did not have that feeling either in Czechoslovakia or the USSR or the DDR.

News / Nazi gold train 'found in Poland' [90]

So the gold rush in Poland will begin anew! America had its gold rush in the Wild West, and now it's going to be Poland's Wild Silesia. And yet I prefer to spend my summer holiday sunbathing at Kołobrzeg rather than searching for gold in Silesia.

I wonder how precise his locations are.

News / Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates [2222]


This is what seemed incredible only several weeks ago. But then, let's remind ourselves the high horse off which former president Bronisław Komorowski fell

News / As a Time Capsule From The Holocaust Was Found In Zlocieniec, Poland [34]


He was the last one of the Silesian dukes who stood a big chance of re-uniting Poland from Silesia which he had tried, but was hindered by his sudden death, probably from poisoning.


I'd say the habit was popular in the Middle Ages. Think of Harald the Bluetooth, for example. In England they would also have a lot rulers with nicknames. Likewise in Germany where Friedrich Barbarossa (Rotbart) comes to mind. In Poland there was Boleslaus the Wrymouth or Ladislaus the Spindleshanks (Dünnbein).

Interesting that such a habit from the Middle Ages survived as a sort of "capsule of time" in Polish villages, for example, where as far as I can remember from my childhood, nearly everyone had a nickname, sometimes very funny indeed.

News / As a Time Capsule From The Holocaust Was Found In Zlocieniec, Poland [34]


A tremendous discovery! It should be underlined that documents found in the original canister of 1797 were in excellent shape.

The capsule was placed by the then German townspeople of Münsterberg. In 1797 the province and the town had belonged to the Kingdom of Prussia since 1741, so for 56 years already. Its inhabitants would have been very surprised if you told them in 1797 that 223 years later their documents would be discovered by Polish inhabitants of their place bearing a strange name of Ziębice.

Po polsku / Jak to jest z tą tolerancyjną UE? [24]


Nie wyłączając Polszy naszej kochanej. A teraz wszyscy krzyczą, że ChRL jest "be". Owszem, jest "be", ale trzeba było o tym krzyczeć wcześniej.

Polonia / Polonia in Germany [59]


All of them were Lechitic tribes, but it doesn't make them Polish or entitles Poland to claims for representing them in one way or another. This is only a close language similarity between the Polish and other Lechitic tribes, but there is also one between the Serbs and the Croats and neither of them would like to be represented by the other.


Name a few which are the most interesting in your view.

Polonia / Polonia in Germany [59]


They perhaps mean 1870 as the creation of a modern German state? If so, Poles had been there before as the province of Grand Duchy of Posen, among other lands inhabited by Poles were within the boreders of that modern state.


I don't think so. The Slavic tribes once living east of the river Oder and the river Neisse never claimed to be Polish. If Poland may claim to represent them, so may Czechia. The Sorben are distnctively different from the Polish, much more than the Kashubians are. The truth is that if they did not fight so much among themselves and if they were not divided into so many tribes in the early Middle Ages, they would have sooner or later formed an independent state which would have fended off both the Germans and the Polish. It was only the international crusade of 1147 that brutally crushed their resitance, a crusade in which Polish knights fiercely fighted against them along with German knights. You should remember about this, Torq. Poland helped the Germans wipe the pagan Slavic people living east of the Oder out of this planet for ever.

Polonia / Polonia in Germany [59]

I think the German criteria on recognizing a minority include that they have to live on a contained territory like, for example, the Slavic Lusatians or Sorben (btw, they rather than the Poles represent the Polabian Slavs who lived on the now German lands for ages). But Gypsies are scattered throughout Germany just like Poles are, so I'm surprised they were granted a minority status.


Please, define what year you have in mind talking of the "creation of modern Germany", so we will know precisely to what period you refer by saying "before the creation of modern Germany".

Polonia / Polonia in Germany [59]


And Delph is damn right. Your map shows the Slavdom in the times when Poland didn't exist. And you can't mistake the Polabian Slavs (Elbe Slawen) for the Polish people. The Polabian Slavs were always politically and religiously different from Poles, they did not want to be part of either Poland or Germany and they were glued to their pagan religion. The first mention ever of duke Mieszko I in history is connected with them since he was fighting a war with the Veleti in 963. Later on those Slavic tribes never became united with Poland except for a short period between 1018 and 1031 when Boleslaus the Brave established a new frontier with Germany by taking over Upper Lusatia (Milsko) for Poland in the Treaty of Budziszyn (Bautzen) in 1018.

Off-Topic / Stock Market and Trading Talk [1011]



As I can see, it is now 3013,97 (+1,97 % on yesterday). But it is a way down from its 52-week high yet.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


I've been once in the times of the DDR and I still remember its DDR charm. In particular I still have vivid recollections of my trips on the tram from its center down to a Jugendherberge somewhere in its south-eastern outskirts. There was something fabulous and totally unreal in moving downtown inside a very old tram wagon along the cobbled streets.

When I came back to the city two years ago, I was looking in vain for the Palast der Republik which building I also kept in mind. But it was nowhere in Berlin. Neither I could find it on the plan of the Stadt. Where has it gone?

Since it was my first journey abroad on my own ever, I still cherish a special affection for Berlin and its townsmen. It will be good to have the city in the Intermarium.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]



In my experience Berliners are more friendly than Italians.
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This Intermarium idea is definitely a blurred one. It certainly does not belong to Realpolitik. On the historical front we have a similar concept, the dream of the "Great Lechia" empire in pre-mediaeval times which was big and powerful. Both are fantasy; the former is a political fantasy, the latter is a historical one. Both seem to serve as some sort of cure for the haggard Polish soul.

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [139]


What about Allah?

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [139]

But the Constitution says we are a parliamentary republic and not a parliamentary manarchy ...

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [139]


In March 2008 the Polish episcopate claimed that proclaiming Christ the King of Poland was "inappropriate and unnecessary". In 2012 they still believed that "one need not proclaim Christ King, lead him to the throne". However, they changed their minds in 2016.

I don't remember, however, if proclaiming Jesus the King of Poland was done by voting in the Sejm or in any other way.

Genealogy / Do I look Polish? (my picture) [375]


Look, there is no such thing as a typical Polish look. Poland is situated on the Central European Plain across which many different folks marched and settled in the past as there are no geographic barriers in it. You may sometimes say that someone's look is not typically Polish, but you cannot say it the other way. The guy - in my view - is of haplogroup R1b, but despite Poles being mostly of the haplogroup R1a, we have quite a lot of that chiefly Western European R1b haplogroup, too.

Genealogy / Do I look Polish? (my picture) [375]


Yes, you do.

History / Piłsudski, like Hitler and Stalin (according to some Lithuanians) [144]



No Smoleńsk within those borders though.

Work / South African wants to move to Poland, please provide some input? [59]

What's wrong with South Africa, Sophia?

Life / Do Poles watch Turkish soaps? [6]

I once briefly watched a little bit. Nice shots. Not that I tried to follow the plot. Something new and something a bit different than other soap operas perhaps. But I don't watch any. The first one of them all in Poland was "Isaura".

Life / A Third of Poland has declared itself to be an official "LGBT - Free Zone". [20]


I don't think the Church is taken seriously there. Of course, they think they take it seriously, but if you look more closely, for the majority of people in Poland the Catholic Church is foremost a set of rituals.


Few people realize that, but Poland started to invent itself shortly before the time of adopting Christianity in 966 which at first was nothing more than baptizing the ruler and his court. I'm sure she would have continued the process without the Act of 966, nevertheless Christianity would have come, albeit somewhat later.


I can guarantee to you that Poland is as biased in calling sin sin as any other nation on this planet, including the US.

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [139]


What is interesting about this map is that the author on the one hand combines haplogroups R1a with I2, and on the other he combines R1b with I1. Does he point out to any reasons for creating such combinations?

Your opinions on germanization, magyarization, mongolization are a little bizzare to say the least. It is certainly true of Hungary, but as Hungarians came from the north, they incorporated the remaining Slavic people of Panonia into them.


The map says nothing about their germanization. It only shows that Czechia has roughly the same proportion (30-60%) of R1a+I2 and R1b+I1. Thus, in the light of your interpratations you might say they are genetically half-Slavic and half-German. In every Czech newspaper that takes an interest in population genetics and archeogenetics you will read they are genetically half-Slavic and half-other with that other half consisting of Celtic (50%) and Germanic (50%) ancestry. Does the author of the book mention the Celts and their heritage at all? The Celtic people once inhabited half of Europe and even the old name of Czechia is a Celtic name (Bohemia).

As far as Bulgaria is concerned, I'm not particularly well acquainted with the subject, but it seems that their ruling elite was of Turkic origin (a similar story as in Kievian Ruthenia with their Viking elite), but the bulk of the people were Slavic. The contemporary Turkish component maybe more of the story of Turkish admixture from the time of the Ottoman Empire.

Life / A Third of Poland has declared itself to be an official "LGBT - Free Zone". [20]


Declaring itself a "LGBT - Free Zone" is truly pathetic. I think it is a reason for shame rather than a reason for pride. This "third of Poland" - as you call it - are the most backward areas of the country and the very same areas where people are inclined to play down on the cases of paedofilia among priests.

Could declaring a similar zone in the US be in concordance with the US Constitution?

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [139]


Where did you get it from? And do you mean the Kievian Polani or the Polani of Gniezno?


I join in this request. The book Torq mentions looks genuine, although it is not written by a historian or another specialist. You know, there are tons of books of this field on the market which are nothing more than crap. But


in reference to that book sounds a bit suspicious, anyway.

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [139]

That is no answer. You are becoming another jon357 of this forum?


When they came into existence, you could not speak of "Poles" yet. At that time no one knew if Poland would emerge one day or not ...

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [139]


Turbo-slavism is a term now widely acknowledged as a term depicting views and opinions which propose things like some Slavic "Lechia state" (Wielka Lechia) existing in the past as an empire virtually equal to the Roman Empire and fighting with them on an equal basis. There has even been published a book discussing the phenomenon of turbo-slavism in Poland. Beside Poland, it is popular in Russia, I think.

I don't know if it is popular in Serbia, too, but what Crow proposes looks very similar to turbo-slavism except that it should be called "turbo-sarmatism".


In what sense is Poland "Mother of All Slavija"?


I think he means "Sarmatia" in a much broader (and going deep to the past) sense than the Polish particular case of "Sarmatism" that had become an ideology for our gentry people in the 16th century.

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [139]


Excuse me, but is it just another book from the so-called "turbo-slavism" collection which is utter crap or is it a genuine and decently researched book on the historical heritage of the Intermarium?

Po polsku / Mała "wpadka" Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung :) [25]


Zastanawiam się, skąd ta miejska legenda o planach Stalina zaatakowania Niemiec? Zdaje się, że wymyślił to Suworow - wielki guru różnych domorosłych specjalistów od II wojny światowej. Żaden poważny historyk zajmujący się tą wojną nie opowiedział się za taką tezą. Takie plany po prostu nie istniały - chyba że tow. Stalin przedstawiał je na użytek wewnętrzny człowiekowi radzieckiemu.

Co do pozostałych Twoich tez o "pre-emptive strike". Takiego czegoś nie było (może to znowu Suworow? -wydaje się, że to Twój ulubiony autor piszący na temat ostatniej wojny światowej); motywy Hitlera były zupełnie inne. Tak więc Twoje wywody zaliczyłbym jedynie do wstępnych prób napisania scenariusza filmu: "Co mogło dziać się w głowach przywódców mocarstw biorących się za łby w wydarzeniu znanym potem jako Druga Wojna Światowa". Wątpię, aby dużo ludzi chciało ten film obejrzeć.

Po polsku / Mała "wpadka" Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung :) [25]


Torq, ja mówiłem o sytuacji zgoła odmiennej, tj. o tym, że Hitler po zajęciu Polski nie walczy wcale z Rosją, tylko z samym Zachodem. I że wtedy USA wcale nie przystępują do wojny w Europie (czytaj "nie pokonują Niemiec"). O żadnym wykrwawianiu Rosji nie ma wtedy mowy, bo Rosja nie walczy, tylko stoi z boku. A wy obaj stale macie ZSRR (to jest przecież nowa nazwa imperium rosyjskigo, niezaleznie od tego, co mówił Suworow) w polu swojej uwagi, co tylko potwierdza moja tezę, że Niemcy nie przegrałyby tej wojny walcząc tylko na jednym froncie (zachodnim). Tak naprawdę po stronie Niemiec walczy też prawie cała Europa, czy to z własnej woli, czy przymuszona siłą - chociażby poprzez przymusową pracę niewolniczą na rzecz Niemiec. Tak, Rosja była nieodzowna, aby alianci mogli wygrać tę wojnę; sama Ameryka z zachodnioeuropejskimi sojusznikami nie dałaby rady.