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jon357   
14 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

Yes, there is:

And you cherrypicked online stuff that you searched for.

And ignorant and pretty self-centered/insane to me, tbh.

That's certainly one take on racism, albeit ill thought out and old fashioned.

Just remember not to be so " ignorant and pretty self-centered/insane" when people disrespect Poles.
jon357   
14 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

there's nothing wrong with the performance in question in Poland

Except insensitivity, especially since the number of black Poles is steadily growing.

very different histories

Poland has not lacked racism (both against and by locals) over the years. Perhaps they should try a bit harder with their TV.

VOA

If you watched BBC World (I don't) you'd think the whole world was so-called Palestine and India. Cheap TV and lots of material, plus commentators with axes to gr8nd about those places.

Poland gets a bad enough press anyway where racism is concerned. If Konfa with its openly racist members become a coalition partner, they'll be yet more in the world's media, even considerably more.

It's better for TV stations to play things carefully rather than carelessly.
jon357   
14 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

subtley....she didn't slather it on with a trawl

That's the key, really. Stagecraft rather than impersonation.

that lasted into the 1970s

It was on very occasionally until it was very banned by general consent. Towards the end, only old people watched it, and they were trying it different ways including without blackface and sometimes with black dancers however it was still of poor taste and nobody misses it now. The dance routines were well done, however the time for stuff like that was long past. I used to see it sometimes as a kid and even then thought it was a bit iffy. Back in those days there weee still erotic dance routines on Top of the Pops and women with blue hair talking about pussy.

it was dead in the US by the 1950s

Just a shame segregation wasn't.

When there's such a shadow over the life experience of black people (and racist attacks here in PL sometimes), a bit of caution about how whites depict them is just common sense and decency.
jon357   
14 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

a black Desdomona

She wasn't smeared with white makeup though, was she.

Sorry Placido

OK until his voice went and he had to resort to Wagner.
jon357   
14 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

Dont' play dumb, it doesn't become you

Your post clearly suggests blacking up. A tawdry thing.

So a show about popular music isn't supposed to acknowledge that?

They can if they want, and they can retain some dignity when doing it by not blacking white people up.

Do tell....

And the days of a white Othello and a gentile Shylock are past too.
jon357   
14 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

everybody stay in a tiny, tiny, tiny box...

Or just not have white people pretending to be black. It has a bad backstory.

most creative musical legacies

Blackface? There are probably 10,000 more "creative musical legacies" than that one.

If they'd done it for some creative reason rather than just a particularly trashy and downmarket TV show, perhaps there would be some justification however here there is not.
jon357   
14 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

need to apply more effort .

Like Polish TV generally.
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

So, I suspect there are more black people

I'm sure there is a diversity of views however on the whole, 'blacking up' is seen negatively.

Whether a Polish TV show will take into account

So you think they should continue doing this?
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

read Nick Sinckler's

So a comment from one bod in Poland who earns money from the same TV show makes all the difference then, does it....

Weak.

Those are not the kind of people I'd like to associate myself with though. Would you?

I'd not attend a BLM meeting, however their viewpoint on the issues that concern them is certainly valid. And you and I both daily associate with such people on this forum

I don't see it as a mistake or that there's something wrong with it.

I doubt we'll agree, and we do agree on that. Racism (whether with pointy white hats or unconscious bias) is a polarising issue unfortunately. Better to be safe than sorry.

The TV show dropped a bollock and badly. I hope they'll learn from this.
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

I'd say that the effect should depend on the intent

It never does though.

There's nothing "inane" about this

It is deeply inane and has sullied the already very poor reputation of Polish broadcasting.

I somehow can't hear anyone in the West complaining about this

Plenty do complain about drag: there are examples of it on this very forum.

Just admit it. Polish TV made an embarrassing mistake.
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

I disagree. There was no I'll intent behind it, so I see no problem

The intent is far less relevant than the effect.

Naïveté and stupidity (which this certainly was on the part of the programme makers) is no excuse for an expensive TV show, produced and directed by people who ar supposed to be professionals, doing something as inane as this.

Perhaps "most places" have more black people that could compete in such a TV show - Poland doesn't.

So impersonate white singers or bring in a black contestant.

too. It was Brits who first called it a scandal

And who first banned slavery.
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

but rarely there is a singer among them.

Indeed, even though performing artists have priority for visas.
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

There is a shortage of black singers

Bring some in from elsewhere. Or impersonate white singers.
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
Life / Polish fences - complete anthology [74]

splendid isolation area for a typical family on the beach

Why would anyone want "isolation" on a beach?

And there's nothing "splendid" about hiding behind plastic sheeting.
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

But that's the point of this TV show - the contestants are supposed impersonate various singers both vocally and visually

In which case, it's the fault of the programme's organisers. Either choose a white singer to impersonate or get a black contestant on.

Most places stopped doing stuff like that years ago. The publicity of course damages Poland's reputation and I suspect there are people in PL who would rather there was no publicity at all.
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
Law / How to have Certificate of authenticity of Polish driving license [17]

This is the official government portal where you can check online. It is in Polish however when you put the details in the form, words like "imię" (name) will also be on the driving licence so it should be easy to figure out.

gov.pl/web/gov/sprawdz-uprawnienia-kierowcy
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
UK, Ireland / London is Poland's 24th largest city [85]

Surtees

I keep meaning to read Surtees but never have. I gather Jorrocks is still a prep school favourite.

At least places like Hampstead and Chelsea retained their individual character to some degree.

Especially Hampstead which is lovely and was lovelier still in the 80s.

I spent a couple of weeks in July doing some stuff by Wembley Park. It felt like Dubai with all the 20 story buildings and crowds everywhere.

hate the idea of the Home Counties being swallowed up and called London

Northamptonshire County Council is now marketing the region as "NorthLondonshire" and there are even dozens of daily season ticket holders in Doncaster!

Perhaps the rise of home working will change things.
jon357   
13 Sep 2023
Life / Polish fences - complete anthology [74]

Your pic shows not a windbreaker but a popierdółka aka parody of one

That's a typical one from my windy North Sea island.

The Polish one in your pic is more a fence. Part of the psychology of exclusion. At least it doesn't have razor wire on the top.

Yes, possible, when you travelled alone

I've never done that at the Polish 'coast'.

As I say, people here are nesh.
jon357   
12 Sep 2023
Genealogy / Want to find a person [773]

Is the spelling "Brajan Mazur"? That's the normal Polish spelling of the equivalent to the English name Brian.

If you look on Facebook, you will see a few people there with that name, some around the right age and with photos.
jon357   
12 Sep 2023
Life / Polish fences - complete anthology [74]

One windbreaker is enough to create a ring

A tiny triangle you could maybe stand up in.

Jon, you haven`t been to the Polish seaside. or you were once only.

Many times. And never used a windbreaker for the winds from the tiny Baltic pond. Perhaps people from mainland drop are just a bit nesh.

The picture is me on a beach in Antarctica, just before the penguin barbecue.


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jon357   
12 Sep 2023
Life / Polish fences - complete anthology [74]

it is impossible to avoid creating a barrier to others. It is quite logical

Not really. You jut use one on th side the wind's coming from. Rather than use several to create a ring.

And you don't even need one at all.
jon357   
12 Sep 2023
Life / Why is women-hatred and stereotyping so popular in Poland? [181]

Where did you get that stupid idea from?Russian media?

From the Krauts or Frogs probably, two countries who wish it had been a disaster and can't quite handle that it wasn't.

Women's rights in. the UK are as good as the best anywhere else in Europe, not just in terms of legislation but in terms of how seriously it is taken.

There were group photos of all the cabinets in Europe shown recently and the UK cabinet has more people of colour than the rest put together. More women CEOs of major companies too.
jon357   
12 Sep 2023
Life / Polish fences - complete anthology [74]

Have you ever been to the Polish seaside?

Yes, such as it is.

Those winds can be really chilly,

I come from an island in the North Sea, near to the east coast. Now that's bracing!

You can hire windbreaks there and people sometimes do hire one (but only one and never have their own) however they'd not be used as a barrier for privacy etc.
jon357   
12 Sep 2023
Life / Polish fences - complete anthology [74]

a completely fenced beach:

Very sad.

I've long said that if Poles or Czechs could reserve a seat on the tram or bus to work, some of them would.
jon357   
12 Sep 2023
News / Poland highest inflation in 20 years [319]

him write.

Indeed. He shows that he misunderstands the current causes of inflation.

And it's likely to get worse due to the interest rates pre-election.

Every time I go shopping here the prices are higher.
jon357   
12 Sep 2023
UK, Ireland / London is Poland's 24th largest city [85]

That doesn't sound.... good.

It's not.

There are oases of calm there if you know where to find them, however you never quite find peace.

I was there for a couple of weeks last month for work and found it very hard going. There again later this week for a couple of days and will be glad to get out.

It's still interesting however the good bits are outside Zone 1 now. I did hear quite a bit of Polish spoken though not in the centre. Most of the post=2004 migration are either in the provinces or are in London but can't afford to do much in Zone 1.