News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


hmm.. Germany has close ties with Russia and business deals they are reluctant to abandon. Somehow no one is bringing it up as a sign that Markel and Germany are unfit to lead EU, or to question their commitment to the EU. Funny that.

News / Mister President Andrzej Duda - Best Poland could get. [96]


Really? Sad times.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

what a cheek. Is there are a line of countries and people which would like to to tell Poland what laws should introduce on its soil and what shouldn't?

I say no business with Israel until they wise up.
Also they cannot be trusted they sold rockets to Georgia and codes for them sold to Russia when they attacked it.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Well, the same can be said about France, Germany and EU Commissars(Red). They all are breaking EU law or not complying with the agreements they signed.. Who is gonna lecture them. This is a reality we are dealing with not some made up problems or better still - this is narrative spew by strong to use it to control and subjugate weak. It is the name of the game played by the EU.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

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Run to you German Uni or wherever you came from and stop lecture Polish people and Poland on what they should do not. Deal?

News / Americans incite hatred towards Russia in Polish media [75]


Too much vodka Ivan.

News / Americans incite hatred towards Russia in Polish media [75]


Ditto to all you have said in your post. Well put.

Ktos, Russia acting hostile towards Poland is making Polish people dislike it.
Ask you boss Putin why he is doing it.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Well, pretty good in a case of life and dead doesn't really cut it.


Well, about 90% of those are about 'termination' of children with a Down syndrome and I think you will agree such a child doesn't fall into the category of deformation we are talking about. What more Down syndrome can be recognized rather late during pregnancy, in sixth or seventh month into it. That is truly appalling that such children are being killed legally.


I don't. Think is people nowadays, especially atheist are prone to dazzled with a false believe that they control what will happen to them or to other people. Our control is very limited and we should be just content doing the right thing and hope for the best rather than worry about things we have no control over.

I guess those ageing parents are not regretting they haven't kill their kid.
Also mothers - as I'm repeating it time and time again and you seems to ignore it - won't be forced to rise such a child if that what they would choose. So you concern yourself with no issue. To give up a child it is a very really simple (technically) act of legally recorded will.

"Because i don't believe that is a fair chance for everyone."
Well, we can agree to disagree. As we do almost every time when we talk in here :)
or you could elaborate on the 'why' you disagree with me.
Because I don't quite get it. Either way it was a pleasure to debate with you. As always.:)

Genealogy / What does my Polish name mean? [402]

No...

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Not in Poland.
For others I advice to go one step further and introduce a new law - no punishment for killing. At least that would be a coherent and logical legalization.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

the hell it is.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


No, I have been sarcastic here. Its illustrates ( at least to me) what a bunch of hypocrites those people are, those so called liberals who stand against the capital punishment. At the same time they deny the right to live to unborn children. After all CP can be considering a self-defense of a social against individuals who proved by their DEEDS they are a burden and a danger to others.

Capital punishment can be justified ethically. So called eugenic abortion cannot.

OK. few facts, many of those children who had been recognized as suffering potentially of some or other disability has been born a perfectly healthy babies.

I don't have statistic on hand but reliability of those prenatal examinations is very low. Extremely low I think (don't take my word for it) that reliable sources I have read tell about 50/50 at best.

Well, I wouldn't take those odds bungee jumping let alone determine who should live and who should die - if I were an atheist that is.

From a moral point of view the case is quite clear, people have no right to play God. What happens after birth is a part of life. No-one can predict what will happen to people, even healthy children or individuals met whit dead and sickness and sufferings.

Some things are beyond human control.


I think that you attitude is what amount to a phrase 'play God'. Is not for you to decide, everyone has ought to be give a chance, better to live a little if not at all. I didn't wanted to be judgmental in our little talk. Didn't not to make some sweeping generalization. If someone has to deal with a disabled or potentially disabled child is no piking, it is very hard and awful situation.

However the bottom line is that sometimes it appears it is easier to kill such a child than to deal with emotional ( not talking about financial issues here) consequences of bringing to this world of a disabled or suffering child.

So in a sense an eugenic abortion is an escape route, that is kind of selfish.
I personally don't gain anything from my stance on the issue - I stand for what I believe is right. For a live and for a fair chance for everyone. How that can be selfish?


Well, it is immoral to use advancement in medial science and use a very unreliable method of prenatal examination to justify eugenic abortion.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Oh an caring uncle creeps along - I care so much that I will kill. Do you hear what you saying D?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Indeed and in this scenario our hypothetical woman want to play God.


No one - should have the right to play God. We are not omniscient we know nothing about the future, we can only guess. That is not enough to make life and dead decisions.


Well, the right to life is a fundamental one. Once you are alive all sort of things are possible, by killing a life you take away all those possibilities. No-one has the right to play God. That is a good phrase. That is simple enough.

No, such a law would stop women that want to play God.
Look I can empathize with such a woman on individual basis. Never the less, such a child go do to adoption, to care or even can die due to natural causes.

The main issue here is, once we start decide who should live and who should die - where that gonna stop.
That is one moral downslope from there.
Communism illustrates well what happens if every rule, even moral and ethical one is crated by a human whim unbounded by any restrain.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Why serve this old commie dish again and again? Logical fallacy written all over it.
People are committing crimes hence there should be no laws if they commit them regardless. You are not quite right in the heads are you?

Rather you would dish out any old HS in hope it works.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


The CC has of curse its teaching and dogmas but that pressure is mounted by as a significant movement of the lay populace. Polish people have no love-hate relationship with their authorities like Brits, neither they have a ruling class. Their attitude is more akin to the attitude of Americans (at least before progressivism) towards government and politicians.

This attitude is extended towards the clergy and especially bishops.
So this constant suspicion of the CC exerting some shrouded in the darkness mystery influence is misplaced. Either it is projection or a distant reminiscence of anti-Catholic frenzy that had been mounted by it ruling class against Catholic in a certain protestant country.

RCC has as much influence as the lay populace let them.
Yes, that what as I have said - majority is happy with the current legislation. Sorry, for bungling my previous post to you, it is a result of my poor attempts at eloquence while tied.

I meant that more people in the populace want that law tighten than relax it. By the big margin.

"How can you say that women in this situation are not being forced?"
They are not being forced to take care for such a child. They can give it up. They are not being forced to impregnate themselves. They are only being forced to deliver a baby once their are already pregnant.

So no, they are they own people who can do what they want as long as they don't want to kill a child they carry for whatever reason.

Such reasoning that you can kill another human being if you find a reason good enough for it, is immoral.
Killing is OK only in self- defence.


That some BS data. Rather the opposite is true. Few people wants to liberalize the law. There is growing number of people who want to make the law stricter.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


BS.
By the way because you are an old commie and a foreigner who couldn't even ask for directions in a local language if his life would depended on it! It all only after 27 years in the country. So your opinion is justly seen as insignificant and has no value whatsoever.


Because I make myself well informed on the issues that are of some interest to me. In this way I know that current legislation is connected by some fringe groups or even movement finessed from abroad, whereas there is strong wing of the polish populace that want to tighten current legislation and it is due to their pressure on parliament PiS is put against the wall.

They claim to be a party for Catholics so they cannot ignore or tell to get lost to those people on pain of loosing their consistency. It is pretty simple.

"In Poland there are up to 150,000 illegal abortions" - why not 15 millions? Those numbers are more oft than not made up. After all illegal is illegal. There is no records. Even thought it above is not an argument. People are being murdered, raped, theft is ripe. Should we then abolish those laws that aim at murders, rapist and thieves?

"Poland back to the dark ages" We are living in dark ages right now, the 20th century was just one of the worst in the 2000 years of history. 21st doesn't seems to be going in the right direction either, although there some rays of hope.

"a choice has been taken away from them. How can you argue with that?"
It is simply not true. They cannot kill a baby, but they can give it up to. None can force anyone to take care for such a child.

So, to answer your question - no I don't consider it immoral. I rather question morality or even humanity of those who would kill a child their own flesh and blood out of convenience for themselves. It barbarity.

I bet the some kind of people would be appalled by honor killings - hypocrites.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Yes, yours.


Majority rules. The thing is commies/progressives are OK with majority rule only if it is their majority.
As to laws not solving anything you're a typical 'champagne' moralist. If murder is not a crime, can I shoot people who deserve it or just any me? That is along with that line of reasoning. Sure they might shoot me first but ....

Laws in European civilization are/were based on the natural law. Catholicism is a philosophical answer to to moral/ethical questions. Those answers allow individuals and nations to grow naturally in accordance with its nature - that is a true freedom.

Individuals can choose between moral and immoral, good and bad. The same goes for nations.
The worst thing is a false flag where immoral bad choices are being sold as freedom... there is not freedom where their is no moral/ethically good choices.

Its a fake freedom.
So maf your arguments sucks because is fundamentally wrong. You might shake your hands with John Calhoun.


What a lady with class. A really dignified and intelligent person whose opinion count.
Commies on stake!

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


I'm not investigating it. It is not why you have asked me that question. It was because you were attempting an manipulation. Who know maybe Germany is behind that, seeking as Tusk is their creature that possible.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Oh save us that neo-Marist clap trap its stupid and boring only an inferior intelligence can buy into that BS.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


What? Who cares?
I mean I would like to know what had happened there bit the poignant point is not about the crash. It about what had happened next - actions or inaction taken by the prime ministers, ministers, top dogs of certain institutions and so on.

If you ask me who did it. I tell you I don't know if that was an accident or not.
If you ask for my guess basing in on a working theory it was not an accident - I would say that was an inside job. Russian in this scenario is only covering for 'someone' in Poland. Russian interested in keeping that 'someone' by the balls.

That someone in Poland is screed shitelss the public will find out about it. Hence all that media mindless hysteria talk about conspiracy nutters, Smolensk sect and all that soviet HS and S shoveling at anyone who as questions.

Hey but that is only my personal theory as I said I don't know what had happened to this flight. Every plane has it iceberg.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


It might came as a shock to you but in Poland there is strong drive amongst the population (which might or not support PiS) to tighten as you call it 'abortion' law.

Those protests you talk about can be called mass protests if you compare them to the usual number of attending in those kinds events organized by usual suspect - very few people.

You seem to be confusing UK and Poland. In Poland majority of the populace believes that killing ...an 'abortion' is a bad thing, that majority is divided as to the law. Some believe that the current law is OK. Some say that is not stick enough as killing babies is wrong bar if mothers life is at stake.

PiS is not conspiring or concocting some conspiracy to force people into line but is under a serious pressure from the people, some of them being their voters. They (bosses of the party) wouldn't want to touch the subject at all, because a neo-Marxist idiocy/ideology that rules 'liberal' west will scream like a banshee and they have enough problems as it is.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Well, He stopped Germany and Putin from building north stream 2 - something doesn't compute there or is that an example of German double think. Well, in reality Merkel has much closer ties than Trump.


He doesn't have to be a geek. He has people for it. They're very knowledgeable believe you me.


Nah.. could be beneficial in the long run.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


What fixation? That crash hasn't been investigated properly - that is plain to see. Besides he is not minister of Smolensk but of Defence and he has been doing a splendid job there - the best minister of defense in a living memory.


You're talking about a legend. He is a bigger than all those who took or claim a lot of credit for allegedly fighting commies. He been there and done it.


Yes you are a commie. Figures that anti-commies are in your black book (red book). I see that Russia being no longer in a grip of communism is no longer your love and promise land.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


I have no opinion on Szyszko/
Waszczykowski should be out - not sharp enough.

Maciarewicz. Commie mafia scored a big point. F Duda vel Adrian.
AM the best minister after 89.

I don't know if Morawiecki is inexperienced or plainly doesn't understand politicks in Poland beside technocratic attitude. His twit about an alleged racist attack - another fake news produced by the usual suspect and he fell for it like a babe or was it because he signals that he will be playing by the PC rules.

I have no high hopes for this gov.
Sad.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Nope, they'll cave in. On all or most points of contest.

Life / Polish and Czechs [191]


Study the history of anti-Semitism is a sophisticated way to promote bigotry, hypocrisy and a victim complex used oft as an excuse to be a xenophobic, racist a-hole to all but your own tribe. In this way atheist people can base their religion sectioned prejudices on 'scientific' resentments.

Czech and Poles are different cultures. Due to same historical connections and some similarities people might think otherwise. In fact there is little nowadays that would connect both cultures. Poles and their culture are not interested for Czechs and vise versa

News / Americans incite hatred towards Russia in Polish media [75]


What? Are you for real? People who like Russia are either soviets, morons or some trolls like some Russian/Australian.Susex gay.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


Allegedly.
I want to say that is not a concept that can be traced back to some or other individual. Geopolitical reality formulated it before anyone named it.

History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]


Has nothing to do with it. I wonder what the concept of Intermarium has to do with him because there is nothing bar that in politicks of the region those countries who don't want to be vassals to Germany or slaves to Russia must and should cooperate closely - that is a logical and an obvious path for them to take.