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Ironside   
15 May 2018
Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

There were 15 murders in London in February against 14 in New York,

Many crimes and murders that involved fire arms regardless of the fact that guns by the large are banned in the uk. Due to increase in so called 'knife crime' authorities in England wants to ban knifes. lol! The next step for them would to ban fists.

A much simple solution a law abiding citizens should be able to arm themselves. A Simple, nit and elegant solution, evidently not for control freaks if they had they way they would keep a finger in ever '''hole they could. How they can claim to be liberals and be for freedom...that is a hollow slogan in most cases..
Ironside   
11 May 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

liberating Danzig in a day

You what? bahahahahah! Mr EX-perd, liberate Danzing? LOL! incorporated it into the III Reich more like, Danzig was a separate political entity, not a part of the Polish state.

As to the rest of the ignorant drivel you spewed here - couldn't even be bother to address it, did you acquire all that 'knowledge' on the internet from posts someone made, certainly looks like it. Unless you had a 'history' teacher not unlike Lyzko here.

God bless!

TRUMP 2020

IF he keeps make decision like supporting all Zionist's agendas and interests to the hilt than his presidency won't go down well in the history, not well for the USA.
Ironside   
6 May 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

no one here would deny the terrible atrocity against the Jews

F them! Who cares? They seemingly have no problem with throwing insult and slander on the Polish nation. As if suffering and dead of so many millions people meant nothing. I suppose it means nothing to them. So F them and their Holocaust. ---See how them like those peaches..

The amount of abuse that you're suffering here from bedroom brownshirt

You sad person you , people like you who exist only to connive and bait people on a social media obscure forums should be burned on a stake.

be a safe haven for Jews in Europe.

Thanks but No. Not again.
Ironside   
6 May 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

Its pointless. You see the Jews are 'special'.
The only way to deal with this kind of moronic, illogical tribal aggression is to show them a 'special' hand gesture and extend a middle finger as sign of peace and quiet.

Unfortunately some useless Congress dudes are talking that crap seriously alongside some serious grants for their campaign costs no doubt.
Ironside   
24 Apr 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

that kills between 10 and 20 per cent of all babies before they're even born.

How many people die before their reach their maturity. How many people lever to an old age.
According to your logic we should have a right to kill all people with impunity. maf a giant of intellect.
Ironside   
12 Apr 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

An American conservative recently suggested treating it as murder worthy of capital punishment

He lost his job. Vive la freedom of speech.

Because I wasn't sure you were that deluded.

Dude, the only one here who is deluded is you. Face it, your stance on the issue is inconsistent and not logical. Whereas mine is not only consistent but logical through and through. I can argue my point without resorting to religious arguments. Although cornerstone of my view on humans is based on a fundamental assumption - the existence of the Divine.

Go to church and pray

There is not call for that. It might even be argued that you're the one that represent narrow minded majority who confuse enlightenment and clarity of thought with an anti-religious prejudice /bigotry.

I would see a law that would extend protection if a human being from conception. As for all those detailed medical issues those would have to be dealt with on a case to case basis.
Ironside   
7 Apr 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

I'm not willing to discuss with people who see no moral difference between a two week old fetus and a newborn baby...

Well, if that is so,why do you even start with me? Maybe because in your heart of hearts you know you're wrong? Rather than admit it to yourself you look for fault with me.

Otherwise I cannot find any explanation as to why would you want to talk to me at all if you take seriously what you wrote above.
Ironside   
4 Apr 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

h, I'm sorry you came up with nothing else but accusing me of histerical reactions

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm stating the obvious. You made no argument. Those hypothetical babies done nothing wrong, those are separate issues. A rape is wrong and rapist should be punished severely but killing babies is bad, really bad. You have been talking about feelings and made some rude digs at me. I don't care much about digs but I won't tolerate rudeness in a thread where grownups debate. You'll bring it down into a kindergarten and chaos, in all into a general level of the PF.
Ironside   
4 Apr 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

So

Came back when you'll have an argument not rudeness and hysterical reactions.

Is it the states responsibility or the parents

Well, depend what social-economic model of a state we're talking about. If we take Poland as an example (as it is no), then of course it should be responsibility of the state.
Ironside   
4 Apr 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

Does that not sound as if tightening the law is exactly what PiS wants?

nah, it sound as exactly what I have said it sounds, vie for support of the chunk of the Polish society that wants it.

A recent FT article said

Yes, listen to the press, lol. Even if that was a case, so what? I mean politicians are listing to those to whom they want to listen to. Out of sudden if they want to listen to a RCC bishops or some such it is a scandal that supposed to compromise their integrity somehow. Since when RRC clergy are on par with gangsters and criminals?

^^So my narrative about a ' patriarchal conservative gov', as you put it, is not exactly without basis.^^
Well, they are not neo-Marxist PC SJW. 40 years ago you could call them centrists if not left. Using those labels is just meaningless.

""They will not have freedom of choice if the law is tightened."""
Abortion used as a means of anticonception is abhorrent to everything that is human and decent. Whereas 99% of those 95% serve as an eugenic law,killing children with down syndrome.

As for preventing conception.

Well, it sounds that way because your argument revolves around women and THEIR "rights", so I'm only sticking to the topic as your arguments define it.

Well, it is rather obvious that in this context it is a woman that bears full and long term consequences. Hence should use her better judgment BEFORE conception not after it. Anyhow, how we can trust her if she got impregnated by some worthless punk who did a runner?

It is obvious that such a woman has not sense whatsoever.

"Because that's what it amounts to. It's easy to talk the talk."
It immaterial because you only talk about a highly theoretical possibility that is not on the table. We are talking about reality where millions of unborn children are being killed daily. How many of those would fit your description a once in 100 million in 1000?

Reality on the ground is such that people are using abrasion as a means of anticonception or eugenic or as it take place in China to kill unborn girls.

Also there is at play pharmaceutical lobby that uses baby body parts in their production.
Ironside   
2 Apr 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

Lots of people forget that it's not only about children with the Down Syndrome.

Well, according to statics it is mainly about children with down syndrome and oft doctors only suspect those children might have it. That opening in the law is used mainly for eugenics. Hence that issue had been raised.

but it should be her decision.

No it shouldn't.
Ironside   
2 Apr 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

he government are trying to further restrict the abortion law

The government is not doing such a thing. Its Parliament that goes through the motions not to offend powerful fraction within the party.
By the way it was not a notion of that fraction to start the whole thing but as I say again and again (you seem to not believe me on this) an independent movement pro-life that gathered over a million signatures of Poles who support the change in the law.

If you know something about Poland you realize that it is not an easy task to find such a support for anything. It means that the change is backed by a large chunk of the Polish population.

It means that your perception of what is actually transpiring in this case doesn't reflect the reality. It is not the gov that wants to introduce that law. It clearly doesn't for some mundane political reasons, like the issue is ideologically and politically controversial, can bring a lot of bad publicity abroad and so on.

They don't need it and they don't want it. PiS's bosses are clearly against that bill but as I have said they cannot state it clearly due to others factors. Few of them I have already mentioned.

Your narrative about a patriarchal conservative gov that wants to force unpopular law on the people is basically out of synch with reality.
We can also debate if you whish whether or not such a law would curtain so called freedom of choice but on a philosophical plane. I the realm of politics what I said above should suffice.

I hope this time I made myself understandable.

end of part one

Freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, but not when it comes to the reproductive rights of women.

I don't think the issue has anything to do with freedom of choice.
Look, progress in science, in scientific tools and medical knowledge has extended our understanding of a human body including DNA. Consequences of that knowledge hasn't been fully comprehended as yet.

I mean DNA suggest that there is a living human being there right out from the movement of conception. It hasn't fully developed as yet but that doesn't mean that all DNA information is not there. All the data all the material that makes you and me are already there, just not fully developed.

For anyone who is not ideologically biased ( and can comprehend it) it is clear that we have a human being there.
If so, it has its consequences. We cannot discriminate against human being due to some details or technicalities. I 'am sure you wouldn't want to discriminate against people basing it on their skin color, their low IQ, their mental or physical deficiencies, their status and so on.

Why discriminate against a human being just because he or she wasn't born yet?
(Also it is not so safe and painless to have an 'abortion' as they paint it. It is an invasive medical procedure that can have a very adverse consequences to a woman health.)

To sum it up.
Women have a freedom of choice as I see it. They can prevent conception and have plenty of means to do so. If they fail - well they don't get to terminate a human being just because it might suit them to do so.

It might suit me to terminate some or other human but if I was to carry it through it would be called a murder.
Ironside   
31 Mar 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

think many people these days base their views on having freedom of choice.

It would a great debate about where the freedom of choice came in...
However the issue is highly politicized with heavy ideology involved as well. hence it is hard to talk shop here.
Basically human life has rights since conception. Extending human rights from the beginning to the end on side and primitive yapping about women's rights to kill on the other side.

the government is proving that they are in fact behaving in a very anti-democratic way

Once more, gov ( I don't support this gov) is all for status quo due to ratings, and all stuff like that, there same Parliamentary members form the ruling party that are all for it but there is no consensus inside the party at all. Bosses are against it.

What they have done and it wasn't gov but Parliament was put the bill to be proceed inside the house. It was written and lobbed for by an independent group of the citizens who gathered more than million signatures.

Those proceedings are just all there is.
If the ruling party bosses wanted this bill to pass it would has happened many moons ago.
It strange it would call it anti-democratic. In fact its bizarre. Are you inferring that right to kill children should be handed to women and no question asked as their 'natural' prerogative as their democratic free choice?
Ironside   
26 Mar 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

Much better to let the woman herself decide;

BS, it is not about lets the women decide. Its about extending protection of the law to an unborn child. In other words the law will recognize that unborn child is not a bunch of cells, fetus or whatnot but a human being and hence got rights.

It was apparently Kaczynski who came up with that figure.

Who spread such a nonsense?
Ironside   
26 Mar 2018
Life / Which nations do Poles like the most / the least? [150]

re you actually Polish??

delphian is Scottish.

n theory for political reasons....

Those polls are BS. People are just say something they think its true but oft they just don't care one way or the other.
Ironside   
26 Mar 2018
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

Now that sort of thing irritates me.

Why? After all abortion is an issue supported by commies and all sort of radical revolutionary moments with tendency to totlitarysm. Which should tell you that you're wrong if you are a decent person with some sense.

But the banners were a bit wittier

Really? Should I put my dick on the table and tell women as you have no balls you should stay in the kitchen where you belong?

Nothing witty about obsession of those crazy commie women with their vaginas.. Keep your vaginas private unless you're ho/.