Ironside
29 Jan 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]
A Russian mole?
Turns out his grandmother has never even been in Poland
A Russian mole?
Ironside
29 Jan 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]
Rather try to get some deal.
Screw these psychos
Rather try to get some deal.
Ironside
29 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
Well, if you don't know about what and the same can be said about German establishment, FY! Poland should go for polexit.
About what?
Well, if you don't know about what and the same can be said about German establishment, FY! Poland should go for polexit.
Ironside
29 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
A position of hostility and imperialism, they could try for a change to negotiate with Poland some kind of agreement.
Which you clearly lack. Why would you insist on something that is blatantly untrue?
What kind of position?
A position of hostility and imperialism, they could try for a change to negotiate with Poland some kind of agreement.
It's called common sense,
Which you clearly lack. Why would you insist on something that is blatantly untrue?
Ironside
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
It would be nice if Germany would reconsider their position in regard to Poland.
Without the EU, Poland
It would be nice if Germany would reconsider their position in regard to Poland.
Ironside
28 Jan 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]
There plenty of brains leaving Poland and had been for decades. What Poland need is a system that would made a good use of those brains or a one that would allowed them to bloom in Poland.
You have no idea what crappy system Poland has, all straight from Commie-Poland.
Yes we could do with poaching those brains
There plenty of brains leaving Poland and had been for decades. What Poland need is a system that would made a good use of those brains or a one that would allowed them to bloom in Poland.
You have no idea what crappy system Poland has, all straight from Commie-Poland.
Ironside
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
Sure, German gov and German press are only tell honest to God truth. lol!
the Euro sucks, the only country that is more or less OK with Euro is Germany, don't make any favors to the EU, honest.
Nobody is attacking Poland,
Sure, German gov and German press are only tell honest to God truth. lol!
Without Germany, the Euro would have broken up,
the Euro sucks, the only country that is more or less OK with Euro is Germany, don't make any favors to the EU, honest.
Ironside
28 Jan 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]
You sound like a freak to be fair. Doesn't meant you are a freak.
Poland history for the last 200 years had been such that all 'strange' reaction and issues are perfectly justifiable. West on the other hand has no excuse, all those spoiled brats swallowing neo-Marxist crap as their a cool aide.
You sound like a freak to be fair. Doesn't meant you are a freak.
Poland history for the last 200 years had been such that all 'strange' reaction and issues are perfectly justifiable. West on the other hand has no excuse, all those spoiled brats swallowing neo-Marxist crap as their a cool aide.
Ironside
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
You are surely kidding here. There is no more divisive country in the EU than Germany.
I just wonder what they are trying to achieve by attacking Poland
By giving OK to build North Stream 2? lol!It must have hit Russia hard, very hard indeed.
f Germany to the EU, when it is the one country holding the EU together?
You are surely kidding here. There is no more divisive country in the EU than Germany.
I just wonder what they are trying to achieve by attacking Poland
Merkel has been instrumental in coordinating the European response to Russia's agression?
By giving OK to build North Stream 2? lol!It must have hit Russia hard, very hard indeed.
Ironside
28 Jan 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]
Not assimilating, building their own xenophobic financial institutions and so on.... All that anti-Semitic crap, all that BS accusations of complicity in holocaust, all that racist exclusion and divisive narrative of counting only Jewish victims and carrying not one ounce for not Jewish victims, all that exertion racket.
Why should foreigners be given preferential treatment in Poland. Mainly Polish people should be the once to start companies in Poland.
What are Jews? All burdens and prejudices with a pitch of neurosis. They maintain that victim narrative combined with we are better than you in order to survive. If they would drop those two - we are better and all hate and harm us poor innocent victim - they would just assimilate in a generation or two.
What like,
Not assimilating, building their own xenophobic financial institutions and so on.... All that anti-Semitic crap, all that BS accusations of complicity in holocaust, all that racist exclusion and divisive narrative of counting only Jewish victims and carrying not one ounce for not Jewish victims, all that exertion racket.
Why should foreigners be given preferential treatment in Poland. Mainly Polish people should be the once to start companies in Poland.
Polish and Israeli youth don't have to carry those burdens or prejudices
What are Jews? All burdens and prejudices with a pitch of neurosis. They maintain that victim narrative combined with we are better than you in order to survive. If they would drop those two - we are better and all hate and harm us poor innocent victim - they would just assimilate in a generation or two.
Ironside
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
She was raised in east Germany and was one of those less known associates of Thomas de Maizière. Who pulled her from a back tier eastern Germany politician. So technically, yes she was a commie. If she is a commie I know not - probably she is a nihilist.
I always thought she was an old commie.
She was raised in east Germany and was one of those less known associates of Thomas de Maizière. Who pulled her from a back tier eastern Germany politician. So technically, yes she was a commie. If she is a commie I know not - probably she is a nihilist.
Ironside
28 Jan 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]
No thank you. Poland have had enough troubles due to that migration, not to mention sh''t Poland gets now from 'grateful' progeny of those who survived and thrived due to Poland.
Poland to open the doors for Jewish migration,
No thank you. Poland have had enough troubles due to that migration, not to mention sh''t Poland gets now from 'grateful' progeny of those who survived and thrived due to Poland.
Ironside
28 Jan 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]
That.
There is narrative that although mention Germany THEY basically blame all the nations in Europe for holocaust as well. Poland most than others for a number of reasons. Once of those being that Poland is not that strong as a country(not yet) and cannot kick them hard enough like for exmaple France..
Till now, post-commie scum was just playing along.
the truly hermetically sealed world of entitled neuroticism
That.
There is narrative that although mention Germany THEY basically blame all the nations in Europe for holocaust as well. Poland most than others for a number of reasons. Once of those being that Poland is not that strong as a country(not yet) and cannot kick them hard enough like for exmaple France..
Till now, post-commie scum was just playing along.
Ironside
28 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
hmm.. Germany has close ties with Russia and business deals they are reluctant to abandon. Somehow no one is bringing it up as a sign that Markel and Germany are unfit to lead EU, or to question their commitment to the EU. Funny that.
I'll never
hmm.. Germany has close ties with Russia and business deals they are reluctant to abandon. Somehow no one is bringing it up as a sign that Markel and Germany are unfit to lead EU, or to question their commitment to the EU. Funny that.
Ironside
27 Jan 2018
News / Mister President Andrzej Duda - Best Poland could get. [96]
Really? Sad times.
Duda is trusted by 62%,
Really? Sad times.
Ironside
27 Jan 2018
News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]
what a cheek. Is there are a line of countries and people which would like to to tell Poland what laws should introduce on its soil and what shouldn't?
I say no business with Israel until they wise up.
Also they cannot be trusted they sold rockets to Georgia and codes for them sold to Russia when they attacked it.
what a cheek. Is there are a line of countries and people which would like to to tell Poland what laws should introduce on its soil and what shouldn't?
I say no business with Israel until they wise up.
Also they cannot be trusted they sold rockets to Georgia and codes for them sold to Russia when they attacked it.
Ironside
27 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
Well, the same can be said about France, Germany and EU Commissars(Red). They all are breaking EU law or not complying with the agreements they signed.. Who is gonna lecture them. This is a reality we are dealing with not some made up problems or better still - this is narrative spew by strong to use it to control and subjugate weak. It is the name of the game played by the EU.
it is more of the fact that Poland is not complying with the agreements they signed up to when they joined the EU.
Well, the same can be said about France, Germany and EU Commissars(Red). They all are breaking EU law or not complying with the agreements they signed.. Who is gonna lecture them. This is a reality we are dealing with not some made up problems or better still - this is narrative spew by strong to use it to control and subjugate weak. It is the name of the game played by the EU.
Ironside
27 Jan 2018
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]
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Run to you German Uni or wherever you came from and stop lecture Polish people and Poland on what they should do not. Deal?
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Wrong, when Poland voluntarily joined the EU, and agreed to abide
Run to you German Uni or wherever you came from and stop lecture Polish people and Poland on what they should do not. Deal?
Ironside
25 Jan 2018
Ironside
25 Jan 2018
News / Americans incite hatred towards Russia in Polish media [75]
Ditto to all you have said in your post. Well put.
Ktos, Russia acting hostile towards Poland is making Polish people dislike it.
Ask you boss Putin why he is doing it.
There is
Ditto to all you have said in your post. Well put.
Ktos, Russia acting hostile towards Poland is making Polish people dislike it.
Ask you boss Putin why he is doing it.
Ironside
22 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Well, pretty good in a case of life and dead doesn't really cut it.
Well, about 90% of those are about 'termination' of children with a Down syndrome and I think you will agree such a child doesn't fall into the category of deformation we are talking about. What more Down syndrome can be recognized rather late during pregnancy, in sixth or seventh month into it. That is truly appalling that such children are being killed legally.
I don't. Think is people nowadays, especially atheist are prone to dazzled with a false believe that they control what will happen to them or to other people. Our control is very limited and we should be just content doing the right thing and hope for the best rather than worry about things we have no control over.
I guess those ageing parents are not regretting they haven't kill their kid.
Also mothers - as I'm repeating it time and time again and you seems to ignore it - won't be forced to rise such a child if that what they would choose. So you concern yourself with no issue. To give up a child it is a very really simple (technically) act of legally recorded will.
"Because i don't believe that is a fair chance for everyone."
Well, we can agree to disagree. As we do almost every time when we talk in here :)
or you could elaborate on the 'why' you disagree with me.
Because I don't quite get it. Either way it was a pleasure to debate with you. As always.:)
Scans these days are very accurate and a doctor can make a pretty good prediction based on scans
Well, pretty good in a case of life and dead doesn't really cut it.
95% of legal abortions performed in Poland in 2016 were due to foetal abnormalities,
Well, about 90% of those are about 'termination' of children with a Down syndrome and I think you will agree such a child doesn't fall into the category of deformation we are talking about. What more Down syndrome can be recognized rather late during pregnancy, in sixth or seventh month into it. That is truly appalling that such children are being killed legally.
I wouldn't underestimate those emotional consequences if I were you.
I don't. Think is people nowadays, especially atheist are prone to dazzled with a false believe that they control what will happen to them or to other people. Our control is very limited and we should be just content doing the right thing and hope for the best rather than worry about things we have no control over.
I guess those ageing parents are not regretting they haven't kill their kid.
Also mothers - as I'm repeating it time and time again and you seems to ignore it - won't be forced to rise such a child if that what they would choose. So you concern yourself with no issue. To give up a child it is a very really simple (technically) act of legally recorded will.
"Because i don't believe that is a fair chance for everyone."
Well, we can agree to disagree. As we do almost every time when we talk in here :)
or you could elaborate on the 'why' you disagree with me.
Because I don't quite get it. Either way it was a pleasure to debate with you. As always.:)
Ironside
22 Jan 2018
Ironside
21 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Not in Poland.
For others I advice to go one step further and introduce a new law - no punishment for killing. At least that would be a coherent and logical legalization.
It's certainly nobody else's decision.
Not in Poland.
For others I advice to go one step further and introduce a new law - no punishment for killing. At least that would be a coherent and logical legalization.
Ironside
21 Jan 2018
Ironside
21 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
No, I have been sarcastic here. Its illustrates ( at least to me) what a bunch of hypocrites those people are, those so called liberals who stand against the capital punishment. At the same time they deny the right to live to unborn children. After all CP can be considering a self-defense of a social against individuals who proved by their DEEDS they are a burden and a danger to others.
Capital punishment can be justified ethically. So called eugenic abortion cannot.
OK. few facts, many of those children who had been recognized as suffering potentially of some or other disability has been born a perfectly healthy babies.
I don't have statistic on hand but reliability of those prenatal examinations is very low. Extremely low I think (don't take my word for it) that reliable sources I have read tell about 50/50 at best.
Well, I wouldn't take those odds bungee jumping let alone determine who should live and who should die - if I were an atheist that is.
From a moral point of view the case is quite clear, people have no right to play God. What happens after birth is a part of life. No-one can predict what will happen to people, even healthy children or individuals met whit dead and sickness and sufferings.
Some things are beyond human control.
I think that you attitude is what amount to a phrase 'play God'. Is not for you to decide, everyone has ought to be give a chance, better to live a little if not at all. I didn't wanted to be judgmental in our little talk. Didn't not to make some sweeping generalization. If someone has to deal with a disabled or potentially disabled child is no piking, it is very hard and awful situation.
However the bottom line is that sometimes it appears it is easier to kill such a child than to deal with emotional ( not talking about financial issues here) consequences of bringing to this world of a disabled or suffering child.
So in a sense an eugenic abortion is an escape route, that is kind of selfish.
I personally don't gain anything from my stance on the issue - I stand for what I believe is right. For a live and for a fair chance for everyone. How that can be selfish?
Well, it is immoral to use advancement in medial science and use a very unreliable method of prenatal examination to justify eugenic abortion.
But you agreed with me in that no-one should have the right to play God
No, I have been sarcastic here. Its illustrates ( at least to me) what a bunch of hypocrites those people are, those so called liberals who stand against the capital punishment. At the same time they deny the right to live to unborn children. After all CP can be considering a self-defense of a social against individuals who proved by their DEEDS they are a burden and a danger to others.
Capital punishment can be justified ethically. So called eugenic abortion cannot.
OK. few facts, many of those children who had been recognized as suffering potentially of some or other disability has been born a perfectly healthy babies.
I don't have statistic on hand but reliability of those prenatal examinations is very low. Extremely low I think (don't take my word for it) that reliable sources I have read tell about 50/50 at best.
Well, I wouldn't take those odds bungee jumping let alone determine who should live and who should die - if I were an atheist that is.
From a moral point of view the case is quite clear, people have no right to play God. What happens after birth is a part of life. No-one can predict what will happen to people, even healthy children or individuals met whit dead and sickness and sufferings.
Some things are beyond human control.
I think that is a very selfish attitude.
I think that you attitude is what amount to a phrase 'play God'. Is not for you to decide, everyone has ought to be give a chance, better to live a little if not at all. I didn't wanted to be judgmental in our little talk. Didn't not to make some sweeping generalization. If someone has to deal with a disabled or potentially disabled child is no piking, it is very hard and awful situation.
However the bottom line is that sometimes it appears it is easier to kill such a child than to deal with emotional ( not talking about financial issues here) consequences of bringing to this world of a disabled or suffering child.
So in a sense an eugenic abortion is an escape route, that is kind of selfish.
I personally don't gain anything from my stance on the issue - I stand for what I believe is right. For a live and for a fair chance for everyone. How that can be selfish?
It is an act of cruelty to use science to prolong the lives of people in that situation.
Well, it is immoral to use advancement in medial science and use a very unreliable method of prenatal examination to justify eugenic abortion.
Ironside
18 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Oh an caring uncle creeps along - I care so much that I will kill. Do you hear what you saying D?
Oh an caring uncle creeps along - I care so much that I will kill. Do you hear what you saying D?
Ironside
18 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Indeed and in this scenario our hypothetical woman want to play God.
No one - should have the right to play God. We are not omniscient we know nothing about the future, we can only guess. That is not enough to make life and dead decisions.
Well, the right to life is a fundamental one. Once you are alive all sort of things are possible, by killing a life you take away all those possibilities. No-one has the right to play God. That is a good phrase. That is simple enough.
No, such a law would stop women that want to play God.
Look I can empathize with such a woman on individual basis. Never the less, such a child go do to adoption, to care or even can die due to natural causes.
The main issue here is, once we start decide who should live and who should die - where that gonna stop.
That is one moral downslope from there.
Communism illustrates well what happens if every rule, even moral and ethical one is crated by a human whim unbounded by any restrain.
es exactly, that is what I have been saying and no-one should have the right to play God.
Indeed and in this scenario our hypothetical woman want to play God.
What quality of life
No one - should have the right to play God. We are not omniscient we know nothing about the future, we can only guess. That is not enough to make life and dead decisions.
ll that matters is a live birth,
Well, the right to life is a fundamental one. Once you are alive all sort of things are possible, by killing a life you take away all those possibilities. No-one has the right to play God. That is a good phrase. That is simple enough.
No, such a law would stop women that want to play God.
Look I can empathize with such a woman on individual basis. Never the less, such a child go do to adoption, to care or even can die due to natural causes.
The main issue here is, once we start decide who should live and who should die - where that gonna stop.
That is one moral downslope from there.
Communism illustrates well what happens if every rule, even moral and ethical one is crated by a human whim unbounded by any restrain.
Ironside
16 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Why serve this old commie dish again and again? Logical fallacy written all over it.
People are committing crimes hence there should be no laws if they commit them regardless. You are not quite right in the heads are you?
Rather you would dish out any old HS in hope it works.
Or to Germany.
Why serve this old commie dish again and again? Logical fallacy written all over it.
People are committing crimes hence there should be no laws if they commit them regardless. You are not quite right in the heads are you?
Rather you would dish out any old HS in hope it works.
Ironside
16 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
The CC has of curse its teaching and dogmas but that pressure is mounted by as a significant movement of the lay populace. Polish people have no love-hate relationship with their authorities like Brits, neither they have a ruling class. Their attitude is more akin to the attitude of Americans (at least before progressivism) towards government and politicians.
This attitude is extended towards the clergy and especially bishops.
So this constant suspicion of the CC exerting some shrouded in the darkness mystery influence is misplaced. Either it is projection or a distant reminiscence of anti-Catholic frenzy that had been mounted by it ruling class against Catholic in a certain protestant country.
RCC has as much influence as the lay populace let them.
Yes, that what as I have said - majority is happy with the current legislation. Sorry, for bungling my previous post to you, it is a result of my poor attempts at eloquence while tied.
I meant that more people in the populace want that law tighten than relax it. By the big margin.
"How can you say that women in this situation are not being forced?"
They are not being forced to take care for such a child. They can give it up. They are not being forced to impregnate themselves. They are only being forced to deliver a baby once their are already pregnant.
So no, they are they own people who can do what they want as long as they don't want to kill a child they carry for whatever reason.
Such reasoning that you can kill another human being if you find a reason good enough for it, is immoral.
Killing is OK only in self- defence.
That some BS data. Rather the opposite is true. Few people wants to liberalize the law. There is growing number of people who want to make the law stricter.
n my opinion it is the Catholic Church exerting it's influence
The CC has of curse its teaching and dogmas but that pressure is mounted by as a significant movement of the lay populace. Polish people have no love-hate relationship with their authorities like Brits, neither they have a ruling class. Their attitude is more akin to the attitude of Americans (at least before progressivism) towards government and politicians.
This attitude is extended towards the clergy and especially bishops.
So this constant suspicion of the CC exerting some shrouded in the darkness mystery influence is misplaced. Either it is projection or a distant reminiscence of anti-Catholic frenzy that had been mounted by it ruling class against Catholic in a certain protestant country.
RCC has as much influence as the lay populace let them.
Yes, that what as I have said - majority is happy with the current legislation. Sorry, for bungling my previous post to you, it is a result of my poor attempts at eloquence while tied.
I meant that more people in the populace want that law tighten than relax it. By the big margin.
"How can you say that women in this situation are not being forced?"
They are not being forced to take care for such a child. They can give it up. They are not being forced to impregnate themselves. They are only being forced to deliver a baby once their are already pregnant.
So no, they are they own people who can do what they want as long as they don't want to kill a child they carry for whatever reason.
Such reasoning that you can kill another human being if you find a reason good enough for it, is immoral.
Killing is OK only in self- defence.
ccording go this only a small and decreasing percent of people want to make the laws stricter. most want it to stay the same or liberalize@ Sparks11
That some BS data. Rather the opposite is true. Few people wants to liberalize the law. There is growing number of people who want to make the law stricter.
Ironside
14 Jan 2018
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
BS.
By the way because you are an old commie and a foreigner who couldn't even ask for directions in a local language if his life would depended on it! It all only after 27 years in the country. So your opinion is justly seen as insignificant and has no value whatsoever.
Because I make myself well informed on the issues that are of some interest to me. In this way I know that current legislation is connected by some fringe groups or even movement finessed from abroad, whereas there is strong wing of the polish populace that want to tighten current legislation and it is due to their pressure on parliament PiS is put against the wall.
They claim to be a party for Catholics so they cannot ignore or tell to get lost to those people on pain of loosing their consistency. It is pretty simple.
"In Poland there are up to 150,000 illegal abortions" - why not 15 millions? Those numbers are more oft than not made up. After all illegal is illegal. There is no records. Even thought it above is not an argument. People are being murdered, raped, theft is ripe. Should we then abolish those laws that aim at murders, rapist and thieves?
"Poland back to the dark ages" We are living in dark ages right now, the 20th century was just one of the worst in the 2000 years of history. 21st doesn't seems to be going in the right direction either, although there some rays of hope.
"a choice has been taken away from them. How can you argue with that?"
It is simply not true. They cannot kill a baby, but they can give it up to. None can force anyone to take care for such a child.
So, to answer your question - no I don't consider it immoral. I rather question morality or even humanity of those who would kill a child their own flesh and blood out of convenience for themselves. It barbarity.
I bet the some kind of people would be appalled by honor killings - hypocrites.
Catholicism is a disaster for any modern state
BS.
By the way because you are an old commie and a foreigner who couldn't even ask for directions in a local language if his life would depended on it! It all only after 27 years in the country. So your opinion is justly seen as insignificant and has no value whatsoever.
How do you know this?
Because I make myself well informed on the issues that are of some interest to me. In this way I know that current legislation is connected by some fringe groups or even movement finessed from abroad, whereas there is strong wing of the polish populace that want to tighten current legislation and it is due to their pressure on parliament PiS is put against the wall.
They claim to be a party for Catholics so they cannot ignore or tell to get lost to those people on pain of loosing their consistency. It is pretty simple.
"In Poland there are up to 150,000 illegal abortions" - why not 15 millions? Those numbers are more oft than not made up. After all illegal is illegal. There is no records. Even thought it above is not an argument. People are being murdered, raped, theft is ripe. Should we then abolish those laws that aim at murders, rapist and thieves?
"Poland back to the dark ages" We are living in dark ages right now, the 20th century was just one of the worst in the 2000 years of history. 21st doesn't seems to be going in the right direction either, although there some rays of hope.
"a choice has been taken away from them. How can you argue with that?"
It is simply not true. They cannot kill a baby, but they can give it up to. None can force anyone to take care for such a child.
So, to answer your question - no I don't consider it immoral. I rather question morality or even humanity of those who would kill a child their own flesh and blood out of convenience for themselves. It barbarity.
I bet the some kind of people would be appalled by honor killings - hypocrites.