News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Well, if that is so,why do you even start with me? Maybe because in your heart of hearts you know you're wrong? Rather than admit it to yourself you look for fault with me.

Otherwise I cannot find any explanation as to why would you want to talk to me at all if you take seriously what you wrote above.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

Do you disagree with me on the issue of unborn children? Stop beating around the bush and say it loud and clear, rather than look for some way to make it all about me.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


What it has to do with anything? Are you some kind of sadist who get rise from those sorts of things?
You tell me do you believe killing unborn children is cool?

History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]


It sound like some shytty story one educated Ruskie tell to his Ruskie buddy to justify all the crap Russia has done to Poles for no reason.

History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]


Don't be absurd. I gather you talk about Russia.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm stating the obvious. You made no argument. Those hypothetical babies done nothing wrong, those are separate issues. A rape is wrong and rapist should be punished severely but killing babies is bad, really bad. You have been talking about feelings and made some rude digs at me. I don't care much about digs but I won't tolerate rudeness in a thread where grownups debate. You'll bring it down into a kindergarten and chaos, in all into a general level of the PF.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Came back when you'll have an argument not rudeness and hysterical reactions.


Well, depend what social-economic model of a state we're talking about. If we take Poland as an example (as it is no), then of course it should be responsibility of the state.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


nah, it sound as exactly what I have said it sounds, vie for support of the chunk of the Polish society that wants it.


Yes, listen to the press, lol. Even if that was a case, so what? I mean politicians are listing to those to whom they want to listen to. Out of sudden if they want to listen to a RCC bishops or some such it is a scandal that supposed to compromise their integrity somehow. Since when RRC clergy are on par with gangsters and criminals?

^^So my narrative about a ' patriarchal conservative gov', as you put it, is not exactly without basis.^^
Well, they are not neo-Marxist PC SJW. 40 years ago you could call them centrists if not left. Using those labels is just meaningless.

""They will not have freedom of choice if the law is tightened."""
Abortion used as a means of anticonception is abhorrent to everything that is human and decent. Whereas 99% of those 95% serve as an eugenic law,killing children with down syndrome.


Well, it sounds that way because your argument revolves around women and THEIR "rights", so I'm only sticking to the topic as your arguments define it.

Well, it is rather obvious that in this context it is a woman that bears full and long term consequences. Hence should use her better judgment BEFORE conception not after it. Anyhow, how we can trust her if she got impregnated by some worthless punk who did a runner?

It is obvious that such a woman has not sense whatsoever.

"Because that's what it amounts to. It's easy to talk the talk."
It immaterial because you only talk about a highly theoretical possibility that is not on the table. We are talking about reality where millions of unborn children are being killed daily. How many of those would fit your description a once in 100 million in 1000?

Reality on the ground is such that people are using abrasion as a means of anticonception or eugenic or as it take place in China to kill unborn girls.

Also there is at play pharmaceutical lobby that uses baby body parts in their production.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Well, according to statics it is mainly about children with down syndrome and oft doctors only suspect those children might have it. That opening in the law is used mainly for eugenics. Hence that issue had been raised.


No it shouldn't.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


The government is not doing such a thing. Its Parliament that goes through the motions not to offend powerful fraction within the party.
By the way it was not a notion of that fraction to start the whole thing but as I say again and again (you seem to not believe me on this) an independent movement pro-life that gathered over a million signatures of Poles who support the change in the law.

If you know something about Poland you realize that it is not an easy task to find such a support for anything. It means that the change is backed by a large chunk of the Polish population.

It means that your perception of what is actually transpiring in this case doesn't reflect the reality. It is not the gov that wants to introduce that law. It clearly doesn't for some mundane political reasons, like the issue is ideologically and politically controversial, can bring a lot of bad publicity abroad and so on.

They don't need it and they don't want it. PiS's bosses are clearly against that bill but as I have said they cannot state it clearly due to others factors. Few of them I have already mentioned.

Your narrative about a patriarchal conservative gov that wants to force unpopular law on the people is basically out of synch with reality.
We can also debate if you whish whether or not such a law would curtain so called freedom of choice but on a philosophical plane. I the realm of politics what I said above should suffice.

I hope this time I made myself understandable.

end of part one


I don't think the issue has anything to do with freedom of choice.
Look, progress in science, in scientific tools and medical knowledge has extended our understanding of a human body including DNA. Consequences of that knowledge hasn't been fully comprehended as yet.

I mean DNA suggest that there is a living human being there right out from the movement of conception. It hasn't fully developed as yet but that doesn't mean that all DNA information is not there. All the data all the material that makes you and me are already there, just not fully developed.

For anyone who is not ideologically biased ( and can comprehend it) it is clear that we have a human being there.
If so, it has its consequences. We cannot discriminate against human being due to some details or technicalities. I 'am sure you wouldn't want to discriminate against people basing it on their skin color, their low IQ, their mental or physical deficiencies, their status and so on.

Why discriminate against a human being just because he or she wasn't born yet?
(Also it is not so safe and painless to have an 'abortion' as they paint it. It is an invasive medical procedure that can have a very adverse consequences to a woman health.)

To sum it up.
Women have a freedom of choice as I see it. They can prevent conception and have plenty of means to do so. If they fail - well they don't get to terminate a human being just because it might suit them to do so.

It might suit me to terminate some or other human but if I was to carry it through it would be called a murder.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


It would a great debate about where the freedom of choice came in...
However the issue is highly politicized with heavy ideology involved as well. hence it is hard to talk shop here.
Basically human life has rights since conception. Extending human rights from the beginning to the end on side and primitive yapping about women's rights to kill on the other side.


Once more, gov ( I don't support this gov) is all for status quo due to ratings, and all stuff like that, there same Parliamentary members form the ruling party that are all for it but there is no consensus inside the party at all. Bosses are against it.

What they have done and it wasn't gov but Parliament was put the bill to be proceed inside the house. It was written and lobbed for by an independent group of the citizens who gathered more than million signatures.

Those proceedings are just all there is.
If the ruling party bosses wanted this bill to pass it would has happened many moons ago.
It strange it would call it anti-democratic. In fact its bizarre. Are you inferring that right to kill children should be handed to women and no question asked as their 'natural' prerogative as their democratic free choice?

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


progressives, feminists ( at least so called second wave and all waves that follow) what have you are not liberals they are commies.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Heh Poland had it all easy, a breeze. You claim to be a history teacher - you're so ignorant and clues that is not even funny anymore.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


They are without a doubt a part of progressive ideology which has its philosophical roots in Marx BS. They're commies whether they realize it or not.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


26 jon 26 I'm not that old as you. lol!

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


BS, it is not about lets the women decide. Its about extending protection of the law to an unborn child. In other words the law will recognize that unborn child is not a bunch of cells, fetus or whatnot but a human being and hence got rights.


Who spread such a nonsense?

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Well, I tell you that is a language no lady would use be conservative or not. I guess you mean conservative like on the right off Mao.

That ain't conservative that is all an old commie.

Life / Which nations do Poles like the most / the least? [150]


delphian is Scottish.


Those polls are BS. People are just say something they think its true but oft they just don't care one way or the other.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Why? After all abortion is an issue supported by commies and all sort of radical revolutionary moments with tendency to totlitarysm. Which should tell you that you're wrong if you are a decent person with some sense.


Really? Should I put my dick on the table and tell women as you have no balls you should stay in the kitchen where you belong?

Nothing witty about obsession of those crazy commie women with their vaginas.. Keep your vaginas private unless you're ho/.

History / Polish military uniforms - collar markings [74]


Unfortunately for you because all the details plus coloring on his collar are needed to determinate his rank.
He is wearing uniform of KK Austria-Hungary. Three stars without any other details visible, could be: from sergeant to sergeant major or captain or colonel. Realistically, he is too young to be colonel, captain or sergeant major. Most likely a sergeant.

Branch of military without any details and color, you are kidding right?

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


huh?


Are u that proverbial ash..hol that always take thing the wrong way and is out of the loop?


you are u so beta that you grovel and act as a little sycophant to all female posters on PF. That is TRULY pathetic lol!

By the way being a master of gossip about posters on PF is not something I consider a worthy achievement.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Ah look a jealous wimp crawled out from his obscurity. A Sad Beta male.

By the way is a nasty and bigoted thing to say to anyone.
I would say that greg is someone who had been hurt badly by a toxic woman or women.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


That is not true. You dabble in propaganda with this sentence. There were different people, different genders driven for the most part by an ideology.

There are in no way representative of Polish women, none elect them to act as such.

@jon357


It was a vulgar and ignorant crowd from what I have heard.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Well under one hundred and that is not certain if some of them were antifa - provocateurs. There is no Nazi or neo Nazi problem in Poland. Commies are trying to create it is artificially or by calling anyone they disagree with that that name,.

In short it is all propaganda BS.

Its works if you take a look at


post. As she is a representative sample of the Polish populace . lol!

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


If that is so, you understand is not the guns in citizen hands that is problematic. Rather all those underlying problems. Let just leave the USA out of this.

More equal, more republican, more citizen minded political model one embrace. There is a fine point of balance between individualism and society. I call freedom but what in fact could be named or defined in a numbers of ways but the core of it remains to be imbedded in a personal, individual responsibility. Which means that beside acting responsibility and wisely there are certain civic duties that need to be acted upon by an individual for the good of a society, a nation or a community a said individual belongs too.

Lets leave out of it collective minded people here like jon and others who don't care for people but love humanity.
Your argument about number of people who die due to gun crimes in this context of freedom, individualism and personal responsibility is irrational. To put it bluntly you think that is OK to threat individuals in a society as if they were unruly children under your care.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


Sure, and idiots there are everywhere. Basically those crazy commie people are on the fringes of society. By the way what rights? Those BS trump up 'rights' that suppose to protect women from the 'oppressive patriarchy'? Are you a one of that crazy bunch?


Yes, a crazy commie, ignorant trash from all walks of life.


how many times you will post those same few pictures with the same few people from early 90'?It boring.
I can find 10 people who believe to be an alien or tons of them to who claim to be incarnation of Alexander the Great or any other give historical person.

It doesn't say anything about nothing but you and your obsessions.

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]


55 000 assuming that is a correct number( I doubt it) is not that many. A million or two that would be a number to recon with, those are just some commie trash.


Sure and you have no sense of humor.
Well, maybe I'm too harsh on you, you just don't get my sense of humor, maybe not after all you are red and they're known to be a sad, miserable people.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

Who cares?
people are being shot every day in countries that have strictest gun laws on the planet. Media just don't offer coverage for those as much as hype for mas shooting ...

News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

It was a show of hysterical crazy commies throwing tantrums in public and expressing their hate for anything a normal and a decent person would embrace.

They should be closely watched by a team of experienced psychiatrists.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


That is BS. Extreme BS spew by the people who are either scum or retarded ignoramus. Do I have to repeat myself?
Plus a fact that some Israeli narrative seems to be taping the same vein again and again, that not only Germans during the WWII done their thing but the others the non-Jews were complicit because they ALL hate the Jews.

AH and Jews are sacred cows in this narrative, just above ethic or morality and particularly are not to be measured the same as all those lesser beings.

I cannot stress enough that it is a toxic, racist, tribal and reprehensible narrative due to some surreally messed up people its created. It might be useful for Israel to have its population on the war footing all the time but other than that it stinks.

1.Beside there is no collective guilt or responsibility if a country in question didn't cooperate with Germany during the war.
2. As for all individual responsibility it ends on those who were adults during the war.

Lzyko your ancestors immigrated to the USA before the war. So you should keep your trap shut. If anything their are complicit in not moving a finger to help their Jewish brothers in need during the war. Just for you to point that finger on others. You have no shame do you?