News / German state declare diplomatic war on Poland. [56]


Ok, I'm going look for it on the internet it might take some time.

News / German state declare diplomatic war on Poland. [56]


Like receiving funds from Russian intelligence or some Uzbek oligarch to finance anti-gov demonstration, actions and publishing detailed instructions how to sabotage electricity grit, water supplies and how to sabotage governmental institutions including police ?

In any country including USA conspiracy to overthrown a legal gov plus receiving funds from suspect foreign sources is a legal ground for an action/ more severe that just depuration. By the way that woman has Ukrainian and Russian passport she is not a Polish citizen.

News / German state declare diplomatic war on Poland. [56]

Find out for yourself:
ec.europa.eu/index_en.htm

News / German state declare diplomatic war on Poland. [56]


Ever heard about Schengen Information System? About its procedures and what that entail. That is a part of the EU treaty and Germany has just pissed on that law.

News / German state declare diplomatic war on Poland. [56]


Are you obtuse on purpose or that is your lovely self?
The fact that Bundestag is debating internal affairs of Poland with an Ukrainian/Russian with ties to the Russian intelligence and some illegal anti-Polish activities is a diplomatic declaration of war!

By the way she was deported not from Poland but from the EU as well. Germany is not honoring EU law!


Get out from my thread you slimy Russian troll/Jewish troll/Soviet Troll.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Well what did you know about Germany before that migration crisis? Not much I gather,. They never had freedom of speech as is understood in the US, hell Poland has much more freedom of speech than Germany, France and UK.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Are you talking about yourself? All you saying hey guys look there is improvement since 2004 hence the Eu is good for Poland\s economy, without EU Poland's economy would be in a terrible state.

Poland's economy has been improving even before 2004. That is not the point, the point is ---are those changed are a good changes for a long term economy development. The answer is some are but some aren't. Some is due to internal issues and some are due to external issues and while we at it the EU as whole doesn't help to solve those issues but create more problems for Poland.

In my view those two facts:

1,EU doesn't help to solve issues

2. Create more issues for Poland to solve

\Outweighs all good stuff and issues that came with the EU membership.


Man GDP is only a part of the picture not the most important and doesn't tell the full story of the economical state and its perspectives to develop and progress.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Nah, Empire and Vatican were at odds most of the time. There were wars fought over what some people today take for granted. Division between holy and mundane between a pollical power and spiritual power between an Emperor and the Pope over who is superior to whom and who should listen to whom. That ended inconclusively and the Church settled for a spiritual power welding it to tell what is moral and what is not, what is right and what wrong. While Emperor claimed full power over a pollical realm - Over all Christendom which was challenged by France, Poland and England.

So don't get mislead by the Holy in the name of that organization. It wasn't lead by the Church.


The problem with Germany is they are too ambitious if they go for it they don' know when to stop, to give in an inch to gain a mile in the future. (To give an analogy they are like a mum who is a real control freak, she might mean well but she is not able to let it go that control even if her children are adults - it results in disaster all the time.) Plus if they are successful that goes into their heads ego grows too.

The same is with the EU and Germany now. They just cannot stop themselves from making things worse for everybody. Just because they think they have all the answers and all the power. It doesn't work that way. Yet, with Germans suborn determination that passes for a consistency in their part of the woods they continue down the slippery slope ....

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

what to like?

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


I'm sorry. I didn't mean to insult you on a personal level. I should have say that your post is of little value and I'm not responsible for the way your mind work i.e. not very efficiently.


Did they? You mean highways where companies that actually build them had gone bankrupt ( people lost their heath some lives)because PO's cronies who out of the blue got a contract to built it didn't pay them? The same infrastructure that is the most expensive infrastructure in the world cause PO cronies had to make money on it? The very some that took three times that long as it should be?

Let assume you are right for the sake of argument. Assume they did what you say they did.
Is that an excuse for using the power of the state to harass and spy on the political opposition and to lie about and attack with gas and rubber bullets a legal demonstration? Not to forget keeping people in jail for many months without a trial or charges?

As for the rest of your rant. You know nothing Dough because you don't understand Poland. You have been living in the country so many years and nothing. You compare everything with a good old blighty as it was when you left it. Your drinking problem hasn't make it easier for you. You just don't get the place and you are a commie/sorry Corbyn's buddy, hence your bizarre views....

Sad part is IF you go back there for your retirement you'll be sorely disappointed. 30 years ?Dough its a lot.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


ARE we playing a fantasy game? PiS won a democratic election in Poland. PiS agenda EU has a problem with is in 90% supported not only by their constituency but by the Polish populace at large.

What does the EU and German establishment? Ignore facts, ignore reality and start this stupid war with the reality on the ground. What does it say about that establishment? they are detached from reality - they are crap and they won't solve anything until their are put against the wall.

So all this kumbaya stuff is just a wishful thinking.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


*you are not


Yes, there was talk. That all was BS. Just empty slogans.


another 'democrat' I see, you're elitist like hell, why don't cut the crap and tell people they should vote the way you tell them or you gonna toss your toys out of the pram?

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


I don't think you're lacking anything. I'm not judging you. I just say that you gave an impression that you would like to be some kind of idealist. No matter, I said you're an idealist that all.


Blah blah you just spewing a lot of that leftist nonsense. It doesn't even make sense those are just cheap slogans.
I didn't see Brussels react while PO and Tusk was in charge in Poland and they were using the secret police to spy on the opposition or they were using policemen in plain clothes to incite violence and then used it as an excuse to attack with rubber bullets, gas and anti-riot police a legal demonstrcions. Not to mention corruption that went against the long term wellbeing of the people. Where was your Brussel then eh>?

By the way PiS was elected by the people! What are you some kind of overlord that gonna tell them is not a democracy because they voted the wrong people in power.?

It sound a lot like a dictatorship this 'democracy' of yours.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Yes, you do. So you have no incentive to question stories media fed you as long as you can hold onto your bliss. That is your comfort zone and its very human. Sorry you must be cynical than.You would like to think about yourself as an idealist but your are not.

From your perspective Poland and such like Hungary are a disturbance. You must blame them or you would have to question your little blissful quite life you value so much. As I said very human emotions.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


I'm not responsible for your f up mind. A fact that you're an ignorant little perineum with a narrow mind set that are trigger by some phrases or words means that your opinion has a very little value.


They are French and German establishment. They're OK with the way the EU is being run because they can manipulate it to fit their agendas and interests and F all the rest.

your take is very naïve for a dude from DDR. As if you were taking seriously all those slogans and propaganda rather than scrutiny it and look at the way the EU really works.


Yes, that is all propaganda straight from the commie book. Did they not call it that anyone who question Party rule in DDR? YOU can see the EU doing much of the same.

How can Poland put any proposal on the table if the EU Commission illegally are making propaganda war on Poland? There is this Belgian dude with a face of a pedophile who is a radical commie, There is that alcoholic who facilitated money laundering bussing in his little village called Luxemburg, and we have some Dutch ambitious nonentity, who couldn't make it in his own country as politician so they promoted him to the EU

Those people are not elected. They have no legal ground to do what they are doing. Why they are allowed to function at all. Simples, Because establishment of German and France support them. So end of story.

A pollical unity cannot be build on some airy slogans. Only on a solid ground.

You don't get it. PiS is a centrist left leaning party. They are softer than Orban's party in Hungary. IF the EU and establishment would just stop that relentlessly harping on non issues or issue that are supported by the majority of the Polish populace they would get it stupid war out of the way. Yet, EU morons and establishment of Germany and France is so high on a power trip they think that this all or nothing approach will actually let them having their way.

All they are doing is pushing Polish people away from the EU. Already majority of young people are anti-EU. Something that was unthinkable a few years back.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

Dudes what are on about? The EU spend huge money in bribe people and politicians and on Brussel EU beorucracy. Where do you think those money came from?

Secondly there are not clear rules for everyone in the EU. There is a lot of lobbing, cheating and going around it with the Brussels blessing rather than a healthy competition. One country can legally put some money into their 'industry' other cannot. One country can cut down all the trees it likes, other cannot. Once country can change organization of their internal institution, other cannot, one country can protect their internal market from a competitive product of the other EU country, and other cannot.

Now, supposed to be a common market with a clear rules for outsiders hence this shape of a banana to favor one producer over the other. Fine, but where was the when Russia banned Polish food from entering their market? Eh? Like right now there is a lot coal being imported from either Russia or Ukraine. My understanding is that Poland cannot rise tariff on it due to EU regulation.

So what good is EU for? They promote 'liberal' values like 'gays rights' and parades and that progressive cultural pet project that supposed not to be part of the EU policy. The EU supposed to be about economic and pollical cooperation that supposed to elevate economic differences between countries and region. Prostitution and dick swinging perverts on the street is hardly a progress. Anywho no ones need EU to have it.

In the EU so called new countries are treated like a colony. They suppose to take anything old good wise countries France and Germany decided is good for them. At the same time being a huge market for their products and a place they can find cheap ores, cheap raw products, and cheap workers.

Mind me is not exactly like it. However that is what those wise old colonial powers would like. Look at the transport they were wining competition to local companies (truck companies) and France stared to worry about considerable low pay of the drivers. WTF?

PiS gov done nothing to stop it. After all in Poland there are low salaries due to the stupid state taxing work with ZUS.

Aha, Germany and EU powers are so after PiS because they said NO to their plan to get rid off illegal Africans transporting them to other countries - which was and is the most idiotic plan. It just tell you those people are just morons that are leaving in an ivory tower, detached from the reality like Atch.

They should done away with that Franco-German bureaucracy and put some clear rulers for everyone to follow and let competition and market regulate EU economy.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


hmm .. for standards they don't care as long as they can impose their ideology and transfer out all the money they can. for what they care Poland could be ruled by the former military intelligence mafia. Secondly you are really patronizing git and with a sense they you Irish are somehow better, the same rationale had been used by the Brits to justify their 800 years rule over your little rainy Island.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


Which article of the treaty gives them that right?


yes, sure Germany is all against that. Don't talk crap here, just be honest.


Should have tried even harder. Taking sides in the internal political process, butting in into thing that are outside of the legal scope all that by unelected morons in which one is an acholic with a history of laundering dirty money and the other is just nobody in his won country, with support below 2%.

Do you think they are doing it of they own volition? Think again.

As for the ecology - is that your idea of a joke? a pipeline with oil under the sea is not ecological and few trees Bavaria is not ecological but few trees in Poland it is. Is that depends on policies or geography that ecology thingy - one start to wonder.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


There are. For one the north stream's potential ecological disaster would affect all countries around the Baltic sea. Whereas if Poland would have chopped all her trees to pieces, it would affect only Poland. Also it would be reversible in a few decades or in a 100 years you could have pretty much reforest the place.

In the case of the North stream the result of a disaster would be much more severe and most likely not completely reversible - at least the moment.

Just to drive the point home a case that illustrated well double standards:
Germany are pushing/supporting the EU interfering into internal Polish affairs that has no legal grounds nor legitimacy to do so. Those measures are well outside EU agreements.

Not long ago in Bavaria in the similar cirncumsctens Germans chopped up their infected trees - not a murmur from The EU and the German press supports it whole and those few ecologist/activists who dared to protest - terrorists.

So, you fairy story about great EU and Poland who is a bad apple is just a story to justify double standard, interference, incursions German and the EU deem justified, Well Polish people disagree. Take that.


Come on. Not as great as believe? what kind of measurement standard is that? I'm talking about facts.
Germany and France are influential. They can get away with bending EU laws, breaking it, or with doing whatever they deem right. Others should just walk the line. If they dare to stray a little or follow Germany example woe to them!

That is not how you build a Union. You build it giving an equal footing to all the countries involved. In such a politically delicate construction whether or not a country is big, small, a power house or economically insignificant it should not have affect their voice or their rights. IF the EU is to work and to be something other than a hegemony where a one orders and others obey Germany needs to see to it.

More powerful, richer and bigger countries will be more persuasive anyway as a matter of course. You need do away with that blatant double standards practice and that dimwitted and dumb Prussian idea of an order.

The way it goes seems to me it goes in the direction of the hegemony not the union. Hence I don't think it would be practicable for Poland to participate in such an endeavor.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

Oh your coffer are so deep in a large part due to the EU. So, stop whining. if you have some money issue in Germany it is because your gov is feeding you that EU excuse, to cover their failing. Less ideology and more pragmatism would have a better overall effect. Don't buy gov BS just because they say slogans you like.

North stream I and II says Germany is pretty influential and can do what they want? Where is the EU battling that project on ecological ground? eh? Few infected trees in Poland caused uproar in EU circles and German press, somehow it hush hush about that huge ecological gamble with the north stream that is not really needed but for the geopolitical Russian games.

I could go issue by issue to point out examples where there are double standards of the EU dealing with countries other than France and Germany. You can get away with almost anything.

Germany doesn't need to defy Brussels if Brussels does it biding. You do see a flaw in your argument/logic here do you?


You gonna pay for it? IF not, we can talk but that just talk.


How about creating in the EU instead of all those offices in Brussels a central chamber (or whatnot) that would work like UN security council not being actually a security council?

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


hmm... why only euro-zone? What kind of reforms? Are you gonna abolish European commission and parliament and create something feasible in their place? Like people would vote their representatives into a European congress and then countries can sent two each representatives to European senate? Will the laws they pass binding even to Germany that has provision that their own local constitution takes precedence over the EU law?

If not - how about abolish all that Brussels pen-pusher seats - saving tons of many in the process and create from representatives of each country some kind of UN security council in which each and very country from the EU has a power of veto? From there build some structures there are needed up? As well as polices very one are OK with>? If not how about create a commission that each country of the EU would delegate someone (or few of them( to work on a new EU constitution and once the work is completed to done away with the current one?

Rather than taka about reform about more Europe or about that mythical EU military cooperation which is just an empty talk that has been talked about rather than about EU finances about EU banking system and so on ......in all it is a nit white rabbit to chase, not a real issue. EU has already working military cooperation and that organization is called - hold your breath - NATO!

So if Germany who is holding EU structures by the balls and is happy with it working as long as it can get its way (for the most part) doesn't want to make it into something that would be real an European Union or some kind of a real long term project that would actually work that means that all this talk about reform about correcting this or that in reality means only a one thing - Germany want changes that would make grip it has on the EU tighten - if all will do as we say the EU will work they say using different wording.

Well if that what you after - good luck. Ah and here is a middle finger to your little empire/middle Europe or whatnot wet dream! FO!

News / Poland's Future in the EU under PIS [51]


Oh, go suck on a kangaroo or something. You obviously don't know what you talking about.

Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]


Nah, rather of 'babusia', or could be a case of some local version that ii hasn't being used anymore but survived in the USA.


Influence of the Russian language is rather late, if anything it could be one of those local dialects, ruthenian or whatnot.

News / Poland's Future in the EU under PIS [51]


Who is feeding you that rubbish? Is that conspiracy theory made up by some dunces? Those some that would be rightfully hanged for treason if the circumstances were different and it wasn't Poland but some other country.

I'm talking form the perspective someone who would whish they were doing it. Luckily young people in Poland are anti-EU.


yeah, cause that are dicks following a party line like in a good old Soviets times. The central comity hasn't decided anything yet, so the other can have resemblance of debate but need to keep it in prescribed form.

By the way there is not Ireland issue if the EU won't impose a hard border in case of no deal.


boo ho!

News / Mister President Andrzej Duda - Best Poland could get. [96]


What? Do you suffer from Kaczynski derangement syndrome?


His postion is different than that of a president in the USA. He has very little political power. The only reason he is getting all that flak is because he is part of Kaczynski and his party which are in charge in Poland at the movement. All those soviets and progressives or some clowns have meltdown.


Why? We need a new constitution that would make presidency into the real seat of power. Also we need someone to stop PiS to pretend to be on the right. I would see endecja in that role, should have a few more people in the parliament.

News / Purturbing opinion: Poland is not a woman, it is a drunk, inept guy in depression [30]


Nah, it is yet again BS dig at Poland's culture, history and dignity by a stupid commie woman.


Get rid of this soviet types from politicks, institutions and from any position of authority or power.

News / Purturbing opinion: Poland is not a woman, it is a drunk, inept guy in depression [30]


indeed , some crazy soviet witch, she was bragging about using woodu doll against politicians she dislike..... nutter ..

Anyway 97% of people in Poland are proud to be Polish and 3% reads Gazeta Wyborcza (Polish New York Times)

UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [442]


Yes, I'm embarrassed that you're Polish in any part. You Know what? - don't tell and I won't tell. Lets keep it a secret.

Life / Why do Silesians hate Poland? [41]


you misunderstood - he is talking about German not Silesian - German. IF out there would be surviving some Silesian German it would be in Opole.

Those local folks there Dough talks about are using a dialect of the Polish language - geez.


Yep, the treacherous Czech gov grabbed it and Poland never got it back.