Ironside
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Here is the real Kaja Grodek:
Here's the 'pro-life' Kaja Godek,
Here is the real Kaja Grodek:
Ironside
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
First let them pay for breaking covid-19 restrictions. ?Then given them brushes while out there should clean streets.
Well, Ok then, let have abortion anytime anywhere provide I can cut off your head or anyone's without any legal consequences. I would rather prefer regress into a tribal and barbarian world than life in some neo-Marxist slave state.
Ah you say 20 000 it must have been 2000 knowing you and your sources. Warsaw has about 3 millions in that say 1,5 millions women. Wow a whooping 0,1% or if we take your phantasy for a real number whooping 1,3% women of Warsaw took part in that corvid spreading event.
Where is Ziemowit to condemn them? Except he is another soviet hypocrite and he won't .
Up to 20,000 people out on the streets of Warsaw a
First let them pay for breaking covid-19 restrictions. ?Then given them brushes while out there should clean streets.
to religious ideology
Well, Ok then, let have abortion anytime anywhere provide I can cut off your head or anyone's without any legal consequences. I would rather prefer regress into a tribal and barbarian world than life in some neo-Marxist slave state.
Ah you say 20 000 it must have been 2000 knowing you and your sources. Warsaw has about 3 millions in that say 1,5 millions women. Wow a whooping 0,1% or if we take your phantasy for a real number whooping 1,3% women of Warsaw took part in that corvid spreading event.
Where is Ziemowit to condemn them? Except he is another soviet hypocrite and he won't .
Ironside
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Not really. I mean that argument doesn't carry any weight. After all from a democracy perspective majority sets rules, so if majority decide what is right and set it as a law, the law it is. Unless you argue against democracy.
There is another perspective ethical one that claims our civilization is build on certain ethical/moral dogmas/cornerstones that shouldn't be touched unless you don't aim at destroying what it is now.
The really interesting question arise when those two presuppositions clash. Whilst majority would like to vote on something that would have undermined certain ethical cornerstones of their civilization. I digress.
Are you for the right to own a gun, dismantle of a welfare state, low taxes and a small government? If not your concern for an alleged control of a state over women bodies (whatever that means) reeks of hypocrisy.
That argument could have been made about any law and any criminals. He/she should be allowed to take other people position otherwise it force him to rob a bank and endangers his/her life and the life of other in the process. Hell, I have made even a stronger case for a bank robber using YOUR 'logic'.
Is that a flower of the regressive left mind? A silly slogan?
any place in setting laws since not everybody believes in it and expecting non-believers to carry a baby becausw of religious sentiments is wrong.
Not really. I mean that argument doesn't carry any weight. After all from a democracy perspective majority sets rules, so if majority decide what is right and set it as a law, the law it is. Unless you argue against democracy.
There is another perspective ethical one that claims our civilization is build on certain ethical/moral dogmas/cornerstones that shouldn't be touched unless you don't aim at destroying what it is now.
The really interesting question arise when those two presuppositions clash. Whilst majority would like to vote on something that would have undermined certain ethical cornerstones of their civilization. I digress.
allows the state control over womens' bldy to an undue degree
Are you for the right to own a gun, dismantle of a welfare state, low taxes and a small government? If not your concern for an alleged control of a state over women bodies (whatever that means) reeks of hypocrisy.
forces women into illegal abortions
That argument could have been made about any law and any criminals. He/she should be allowed to take other people position otherwise it force him to rob a bank and endangers his/her life and the life of other in the process. Hell, I have made even a stronger case for a bank robber using YOUR 'logic'.
Is that a flower of the regressive left mind? A silly slogan?
Ironside
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
The only one that bring religion into it is you. Well, maybe some others too, but I have never argued about issues here using an argument from the Bible. So there is it.
What you saying in fact that since something is practical and easier for adults they should have it their way. Even if that includes killing children.
You say this you say that add Catholicism to the mix and vole! Where is your Catholic stance I would like to know? Why are you even bring into it religion? Just to go contrary to its dogmas and teaching?
That's the reality of Catholicism i
The only one that bring religion into it is you. Well, maybe some others too, but I have never argued about issues here using an argument from the Bible. So there is it.
What you saying in fact that since something is practical and easier for adults they should have it their way. Even if that includes killing children.
You say this you say that add Catholicism to the mix and vole! Where is your Catholic stance I would like to know? Why are you even bring into it religion? Just to go contrary to its dogmas and teaching?
Ironside
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Seems to me that you got it wrong too. The problem lies with imprecise law in Poland which has been misused to carry out abortions of babies whose defects had been potential. problematic or even nonexistent. Still a mild dawn syndrome is not a cause for killing.
You all seem to be missing the point here - a sanctity of a human life. Seems to me that on a philosophical and ideological ground left just lost it. They don't know what is what, take things for granted and create more problems that they solve. Hell lately they don't solve any problems they only create them There are a reason they are called a regressive left.
Even here, you divert attention towards issues that concern statistic minuscule of the cases. Same goes with those cases left talk about all the time i.e. when pregnancy is a result of a rape. Those cases are few and between and that is not really the crux of the matter here.
Don't tell me that IF I would to concede that an abortion should be an option if it is a result of a rape and when there is not doubt whatsoever that a child will be born with severe deformities, you would support in turn a ban on all other abortions? Of course not!
So the problem and disagreement runs deeper and has littlie to do with those cases you regressive left like to bring up to show that you CARE. No you don't! You pretend to care to use it an a tool to spread your ideological dogmas - as it has been aptly demonstrated.
However forcing mothers to carry baby's to term who might have severe birth defects seems wrong to me.
Seems to me that you got it wrong too. The problem lies with imprecise law in Poland which has been misused to carry out abortions of babies whose defects had been potential. problematic or even nonexistent. Still a mild dawn syndrome is not a cause for killing.
You all seem to be missing the point here - a sanctity of a human life. Seems to me that on a philosophical and ideological ground left just lost it. They don't know what is what, take things for granted and create more problems that they solve. Hell lately they don't solve any problems they only create them There are a reason they are called a regressive left.
Even here, you divert attention towards issues that concern statistic minuscule of the cases. Same goes with those cases left talk about all the time i.e. when pregnancy is a result of a rape. Those cases are few and between and that is not really the crux of the matter here.
Don't tell me that IF I would to concede that an abortion should be an option if it is a result of a rape and when there is not doubt whatsoever that a child will be born with severe deformities, you would support in turn a ban on all other abortions? Of course not!
So the problem and disagreement runs deeper and has littlie to do with those cases you regressive left like to bring up to show that you CARE. No you don't! You pretend to care to use it an a tool to spread your ideological dogmas - as it has been aptly demonstrated.
Ironside
24 Oct 2020
Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [161]
Familial ancestors are included in that too.
That's relatives. Ancestors are somewhat further back.
Familial ancestors are included in that too.
Ironside
23 Oct 2020
Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [161]
No, RC. Go November the First to any normal cemetery in Poland after dusk and you will see its glow.
No, RC. Go November the First to any normal cemetery in Poland after dusk and you will see its glow.
Ironside
23 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Doesn't she knows about it? I mean choices and consequences. Still, if you face a hardship go and get some kids killed. Oh its mine that make its OK, Ethically going back to the paterfamilias law. Harking back to 12 tablets law, Roughly 2470 years ago. Progress lol!
who never heard about painkiller and such? I doubt they qualifications then.
go root elsewhere.
Doesn't she knows about it? I mean choices and consequences. Still, if you face a hardship go and get some kids killed. Oh its mine that make its OK, Ethically going back to the paterfamilias law. Harking back to 12 tablets law, Roughly 2470 years ago. Progress lol!
Actual doctors.
who never heard about painkiller and such? I doubt they qualifications then.
Ironside
23 Oct 2020
Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [161]
For reverence for remembrance for veneration.
For what?
For reverence for remembrance for veneration.
Ironside
23 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
IF there would be universal child and health care system it doesn't make sense to say that it is up to do woman. It is up to a state or a society then.
Well, Why would you make a kid pay for his/her mother bad taste or wrong life choices. In time of contraception a woman who gets pregnant by a mistake or change her mind after the fact is no better than 'a beta looser male'.
You need two to tango.
You need to catch up on my posts
universal child and health care,
IF there would be universal child and health care system it doesn't make sense to say that it is up to do woman. It is up to a state or a society then.
I don't blame a woman who decides not to have a kid especially if is via a beta/rapist/looser male.
Well, Why would you make a kid pay for his/her mother bad taste or wrong life choices. In time of contraception a woman who gets pregnant by a mistake or change her mind after the fact is no better than 'a beta looser male'.
blokes who got their partners pregnant
You need two to tango.
Ironside
23 Oct 2020
Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [161]
Ancestors are important.
and converts to American and German style evangelicalism.
Ancestors are important.
Ironside
23 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
So consequently you support no state help or 'dad' doesn't need to pay anything IF she decide to have a kid. AM I right?
Because its the women's body and the women's state of mind.
So consequently you support no state help or 'dad' doesn't need to pay anything IF she decide to have a kid. AM I right?
Ironside
23 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Is that another tale from the lefties propaganda leaflets?
There no such a saying just a vulgar slogan copied from aboard.
Why?
An unviable foetus that has at best a few days of misery to actually live
Is that another tale from the lefties propaganda leaflets?
As the Polish saying goes, moja pizda, moja decyzja...
There no such a saying just a vulgar slogan copied from aboard.
I would agree 100% it should be up to the women alone,
Why?
Ironside
23 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Yeah, what is wrong with you, eh?
Well, it is about killing of a human being, that should be put it right. Euphemisms you are using are serve as a deceptive crap to numb peoples awareness' of the issue.
Well you are one of those that got away and not only you suffer you cause suffering to others forced to listen to your horrendous self-hating crap. Plus, learn something about the issue from the source not from some biased pamphlets./you sound like a misinformed fool.
Speaking for Polish women now? Have they voted you to be their spokesman?
lol1 You and your Catholicism are just a sham.
what the actual ****?
Yeah, what is wrong with you, eh?
This isn't about 'murder'.
Well, it is about killing of a human being, that should be put it right. Euphemisms you are using are serve as a deceptive crap to numb peoples awareness' of the issue.
want fetuses with untreatable fatal conditions to be born so they can suffer horribly for a few minutes
Well you are one of those that got away and not only you suffer you cause suffering to others forced to listen to your horrendous self-hating crap. Plus, learn something about the issue from the source not from some biased pamphlets./you sound like a misinformed fool.
Polish women want
Speaking for Polish women now? Have they voted you to be their spokesman?
from a fundamentalist Catholic
lol1 You and your Catholicism are just a sham.
Ironside
21 Oct 2020
History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]
How long Nikita Khrushchev spend in prison put there by other communists?
How long did he spend in prison (put there by communists)?
How long Nikita Khrushchev spend in prison put there by other communists?
Ironside
21 Oct 2020
History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]
WTF? He was a communist and proud of it.
Michnik was a staunch anticommunist
WTF? He was a communist and proud of it.
Ironside
21 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]
Which is a subject of interpretation what constitutes the rule of law. Meaning it is a slogan not an issue.
Even if that is the case it is not up to the EU or any particular country within it to interfere with the Polish internal issues. In short there is not treaty that allows to meddle into it. That the law.
Maybe not, but as said it is up to poles to sort it out. What is that complex of a big brother or father? Get rid of it. That is the biggest problem in the EU.
By the way if we deny the right of the majority to govern that is a step back from democracy. Maybe into oligarchy? Seems like it.
The issue is the rule of law.
Which is a subject of interpretation what constitutes the rule of law. Meaning it is a slogan not an issue.
The justice reform has put this in jeopardy.
Even if that is the case it is not up to the EU or any particular country within it to interfere with the Polish internal issues. In short there is not treaty that allows to meddle into it. That the law.
t is just not a good idea to give a simple majority the power to appoint judges without any compromise,
Maybe not, but as said it is up to poles to sort it out. What is that complex of a big brother or father? Get rid of it. That is the biggest problem in the EU.
By the way if we deny the right of the majority to govern that is a step back from democracy. Maybe into oligarchy? Seems like it.
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]
On the contrary I ask you very simple questions, you only need to answer them truthfully. It is not my fault that you lie. If you are caught you blame it on me. Your misbehavior is very antisocial in its core.
I admit it that discussing things with you is very tiring coz you twist and mix everything up,
On the contrary I ask you very simple questions, you only need to answer them truthfully. It is not my fault that you lie. If you are caught you blame it on me. Your misbehavior is very antisocial in its core.
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]
oho right here speaking soviet Polish ...
oho right here speaking soviet Polish ...
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]
tsk tsk so they were ...
No I'm speaking free Polish you are speaking soviet Polish.
Only losers needed the party to achieve sth in life.
tsk tsk so they were ...
You are nicely twisting it now.
No I'm speaking free Polish you are speaking soviet Polish.
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]
was one of your parent PZPR member or not?
dude Soviet either from Soviet union or Poland were the same .....
Meaning that could be created/controlled by soviet secret police from Soviet Poland.
my dad was a brilliant inventor in chemical industry
was one of your parent PZPR member or not?
t doesn`t mean all were created or controlled by Soviets - Polish communists
dude Soviet either from Soviet union or Poland were the same .....
Meaning that could be created/controlled by soviet secret police from Soviet Poland.
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]
No you are not./
Anyway, you don't even know what values and what issues and you don't care. Just be honest once in your life and admit it.
No you are not./
Anyway, you don't even know what values and what issues and you don't care. Just be honest once in your life and admit it.
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]
You mean you don't know. Bravo! You support blindly anyone even against your country just that you can get back at PiS. Oh sorry it is not your country, Go home soviet!
then it is not my fault.
You mean you don't know. Bravo! You support blindly anyone even against your country just that you can get back at PiS. Oh sorry it is not your country, Go home soviet!
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]
There were not independent political organizations or movement in Soviet Poland.
There were not independent political organizations or movement in Soviet Poland.
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]
well handing or banishing traitors is a long legal tradition in Poland. More banishing than hanging to be sure. Are you calling Polish Kings fascists'?
for traitors?
well handing or banishing traitors is a long legal tradition in Poland. More banishing than hanging to be sure. Are you calling Polish Kings fascists'?
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]
indeed. what alliances? some movement created by the soviet secret police? What right about it? You are the dumber one aren't you?
ightists` connections and alliances with communists are BS and nonsense??
indeed. what alliances? some movement created by the soviet secret police? What right about it? You are the dumber one aren't you?
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]
Nah, I want you to tell me. Not to quote some political BS but where is that RISK (lol) (they don't even say there is a breach but a potential exist there for it to happen, isn't that life anything can happen or not- I digress).
Which values they meant precisely in their referral? All of them? Doesn't make sense! So tell me which one of those values it is?
You are playing stupid all the time - but let it be if it is your favourite pastime.
Nah, I want you to tell me. Not to quote some political BS but where is that RISK (lol) (they don't even say there is a breach but a potential exist there for it to happen, isn't that life anything can happen or not- I digress).
Which values they meant precisely in their referral? All of them? Doesn't make sense! So tell me which one of those values it is?
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]
Asking for you take on it. It meaningless as so called right, as in American pursue of happiness but it could used for political ends. I'm asking you how you define dignity. Is it too difficult for you to formulate your own answer without wiki?
After all you choose to post it as an example! Are you stupid?
no we are clueless, it is a commie like you that is well versed in all of those codes and charters.
I'm only saying that in that charter allegedly presenting all common European values there is nothing about judiciary in Poland. So don't point me to all and sundry of opinions elsewhere - it means nothing.
Just show me a passage from that EVC that says something about Polish judiciary - nothing more nothing less.
Playing stupid? hahaha
Asking for you take on it. It meaningless as so called right, as in American pursue of happiness but it could used for political ends. I'm asking you how you define dignity. Is it too difficult for you to formulate your own answer without wiki?
After all you choose to post it as an example! Are you stupid?
I already told you that fascists like you know nothing about European codes and charters.
no we are clueless, it is a commie like you that is well versed in all of those codes and charters.
I'm only saying that in that charter allegedly presenting all common European values there is nothing about judiciary in Poland. So don't point me to all and sundry of opinions elsewhere - it means nothing.
Just show me a passage from that EVC that says something about Polish judiciary - nothing more nothing less.
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]
Define human dignity.
Ah dear, I see that gov and institutions in Brussels already are going against their own chart i.e. they are against European values.
By the way you remember how you were here yapping about certain doctor in Warsaw hospital who was bullied out of his position because he was against abortions'.
You soviets and your BS I knew you know nothing about European values - The right to conscientious objection is recognised - here he was so right. Shame on you commies.
Nope, it is not. There nothing the chart about it. That just something that has been made up. So don't lie about it. EU politicians are yapping about it is not the same,.
Ah and show me chart talking about LGBT.
Human dignity
Define human dignity.
Ah dear, I see that gov and institutions in Brussels already are going against their own chart i.e. they are against European values.
By the way you remember how you were here yapping about certain doctor in Warsaw hospital who was bullied out of his position because he was against abortions'.
You soviets and your BS I knew you know nothing about European values - The right to conscientious objection is recognised - here he was so right. Shame on you commies.
Another European value that PiS violates is independence of the judiciary.
Nope, it is not. There nothing the chart about it. That just something that has been made up. So don't lie about it. EU politicians are yapping about it is not the same,.
Ah and show me chart talking about LGBT.
Ironside
18 Oct 2020
History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]
So what? You always bring some BS or other nonsense and make a big deal out of it as if that mattered in the slightest. So I ask you so what? You are unable to answer as usual.
. Always defending
So what? You always bring some BS or other nonsense and make a big deal out of it as if that mattered in the slightest. So I ask you so what? You are unable to answer as usual.