Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ?

Sorry, less than 100.000. 300.000 stationed in GDR.
600.000 is the number of Soviet soldiers who fell in combat fighting Nazi Germans in Polish territory. after Hitler and Stalin, the loyalest allies 1939-1941, fell out with each other.

Brilliant. You know how much I value those rare moments when the two of us agree on something. :) Let's indeed rejoice. *champagne glasses clinking*

I wonder how many of them will die "liberating" Ukraine from the influence of the fascist EU and NATO?

Another famous batallion with a funny name was Zośka - Sophie. The name was the nom de guerre of an underground soldier Tadeusz Zawadzki, called so by his mates for his handsomeness. Zośka participated in or organised a lot of actions against German occupiers and died in one of them.

"Zośka" battalion - a battalion of the Home Army (AK) taking part in the Warsaw Uprising , consisting primarily of members of the Gray Ranks , the underground Polish Scouting and Scouting Association ;

In the Warsaw Uprising, the "Zośka" battalion fought in the "Radosław" Home Army grouping in Wola and the Old Town , from where the "Rudy" company , commanded by Andrzej Romocki "Morro", was the only one among the Old Town garrison to break through to Downtown District through the German outposts in the Saxon Garden .

After capturing on August 2 , 1944 in the area of ​​ul. Okopowa two German PzKpfw V Panther tanks , an armored platoon was formed in the composition of the battalion under the command of Wacław Micuta pseud. Wacek

The "Rudy" company was recognized by the Home Army command as the best of the 40,000-strong crew of soldiers fighting in the Warsaw Uprising, e.g. in a daring attack capturing the Warsaw concentration camp . For fighting in the Warsaw Uprising, the Commander-in-Chief awarded the "Zośka" battalion with the Silver Cross of the Virtuti Militari Order (5th class).

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Reminds me of the famous poem written by an insurgent poet Zbigniew Jasiński in 1944 - in the title and last lines, he demanded more ammo for the Rising.

Zbigniew Jasiński "We demand ammunition"

We have wolf teeth here and our hats are sideways.
Here, no one cries in Fighting Warsaw.
Here we sit astride the necks of Prussians
and choke our enemies by the throat with bare hands

And you are still singing there, that with the dust of brotherly blood,
that Warsaw is destroyed in the smoke of fires,
and we are here, naked to the cannon shots,
to your admiration, to your singing and to your applause.

Why do you still sing the mournful chants in London,
when the long-awaited holiday has finally arrived here!
Girls fight here alongside their boys,
And little children fight, and blood flows joyfully.

Hello! This is the heart of Poland! This is Warsaw speaking!
Let the funeral songs be banned from the broadcast!
There is enough spirit for us and there is enough for you!
No applause needed! We demand ammunition!

Turned into a hard rock song by the group called Irydion:

Gradually, the last insurgents are leaving to the better world. In May, two female insurgents died.

Danuta Krauze, codename "Niuśka", participant of the Warsaw Uprising, member of the Grey Ranks, soldier of the "Parasol" battalion, has died at the age of 98.

"It is with great regret that we inform you that on May 10, after a serious illness, the last living girl from 'Parasol' - Mrs. Danuta Krauze, alias Niuśka - died at the age of 98," the Warsaw Uprising Museum reported on social media.

"She was a student at the private Walicka Girls' High School located at Krucza Street in Warsaw, a scout of the local 1st Women's Scout Troop. At first she was in the Grey Ranks, then she joined 'Parasol'. She participated in small sabotage. She was also assigned to Kedyw of the Home Army Headquarters" - we read in the entry of the Warsaw Uprising Museum.

It was emphasized that "she went through the entire combat trail of the battalion, from Wola, through the Old Town, City Center to Górny Czerniaków". "After the capitulation, she left Warsaw with the civilian population, then was taken to a transit camp in Pruszków (Dulag 121), and then to labor camps in Stargard and Berlin" - it was written, adding that "at the end of the war she managed to escape from Berlin to Poznań".

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What a perverted use of English...

Warsaw Rising 1944

Uprising is primarily used as a noun which means a rebellion, revolt, or mutiny. "Rising" is commonly used as a verb.

I can't agree more, but Pawian has such a sense of superiority that he will never accept that he is wrong!


100% correct!

Don`t be stupid. You don`t need to add Up to the Rising coz Rising is always Up! hahahaha


Exactly!! I acquired it here while dealing with mental losers. Novi can be excused coz he is a tragic case of an attention sicker who is ready to say anything to get our attention. But you are exceptionally stupid if you follow the maniacal attention sicker`s agenda., What is your pathetic education?? You finished secondary school at 16 and went to work in the sewers, right???


This ass licking of yours is really disgusting. Did you learn it in the sewers or here???

Actually Warsaw Rising has always sounded wrong... and doesn't suggested rebellion against an occupying force* while Uprising does.

Warsaw Rising sounds like Wstanie warszawskie.... kind of wrong...

*it could also could be a political movement or an artistic renaissance among other possibilities....

Why? Ever heard of Easter Rising (Powstanie Wielkanocne)?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Rising
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powstanie_wielkanocne

Don`t be stupid like other mental losers. Check your dictionaries. It isn`t my fault you depend on American meaning while British one fully acknowledges Rising.
dictionary.cambridge.org/pl/dictionary/english/rising

Exactly! Those 3 mental losers had no idea what they were talking about. I don`t care about Novi and Milo coz they are hopeless cases, but maf surprised me with his stupid remark. I thought he was more intelligent than that.

Hey, stupid...Rising is an activity. The sun is rising...
An uprising is an event and a noun. Like rebellion, revolution, unrest, and shlt like that...
If rising and uprising were interchangeable, the title of this song could be The House of The Uprising Sun.

The problem with Brits is that to them Pakistani immigrants are interchangeable with white native Britishers so they refer to both as Brits to hide the effects of their own genocidal stupidity.

Yes, darling, it is also a rebellion. You only pretend not to know it for attention sicking purposes. Are you happy with the attention from me, darling???? ):):)

Rebellion = uprising.

The sun is rising. A cake is rising. More examples...

His temper was rising by the second. He noted her rising color and shrugged. The rising winter sun made the heavy clothing almost unnecessary. She felt the hair rising on the back of her neck.

Replace "rising" with "uprising" and continue being the linguistic idiot that you are...

You have no idea. Check this post war British publication. Stop wasting our time.

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LOL!! that's a new one on me!!!!!

Vomit to gain attention.... LOL!!!!!!

Are you sure you are an English teacher???

Your pupils are not seeking education they are sicking it...........HaHaHaHa!!

@pawian

Have you been at the wodka again????

"Warsaw Rising" means "Warsaw Awakening" or something close to it.

Hey, stupid, you will not win this with me...Google "Warsaw Rising" and it will be instantly converted to "Warsaw Uprising" to return close to a million hits - including this one:

britannica.com/event/Warsaw-Uprising

Quoting:

Warsaw Uprising
Polish history

First paragraph:

Warsaw Uprising, (August-October 1944), insurrection in Warsaw during World War II by which Poles unsuccessfully tried to oust the German army and seize control of the city before it was occupied by the advancing Soviet army. The uprising's failure allowed the pro-Soviet Polish administration, rather than the Polish government-in-exile in London, to gain control of Poland.

Stop wasting my time with your ignorance of English.

BTW, "Britannica" is not an American product. Let me know if you need a clue...

It isn`t for you, imbecile. It is meant for Novi and it isn`t new coz I have been using it for a few years now.


Darling, I have already won. :):):)


Stop parroting me. Invent sth on your own, "genius." ):):)

"Warsaw rising" = 127,000 ghits

"Warsaw uprising" = 673,000 ghits

wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising

"Rising" is technically correct but semantically ambiguous while "Uprising" is much clearer and more in line with modern usage.

Thank you, imbecile,. for this improvement. Previously you claimed


You see, my education on you works! Ha!!!!

PS. This thread is 13 years old now. Why did you decide to play an imbecile in 2024???

Not education... Rising has always sounded wrong to me because it was so ambiguous. That hasn't changed. If anything it just goes stronger since it's more and more out of sync with modern usage.

It's like people who say: "It would be difficult for her to overcome really her bad habits." or "It would be difficult for her really to overcome her bad habits."

Technically those are grammatically correct but they sound stilted and awkward compared to the more natural: "It would be very difficult for her to really overcome her bad habits."

Warsaw Rising = archaic and a bit awkward (because of the ambiguity)

Warsaw Uprising = more idiomatic (because of the lack of ambiguity).

Hmm... but doesn't this 'up' in 'uprising' sound horribly redundant? If something rises it obviously rises up, not down or to the side ('downrising'?, 'siderising'?). So what's the point of adding this prefix?

'This' up?

It makes it clearer, however the words are interchangeable in English. And habit uses the word "uprising" for Warsaw.

And we use Rising in this forum and elsewhere. Azholes and mental losers can use the other one but if they don`t want to be called out as azholes and mental losers by decent people, they better keep their dirty gobs shut. Ha! Yes, maf, I am talking to you, coz the other two imbeciles are hopeless cases as I said.

What does 'po' add in powstanie?

Uprising is a frozen lexical unit that describes a rebellion, rising is a polysemous lexical unit with several different possible meanings. for Polish people the chances of confusion with 'rising' are minimal to non-existent.... for non-Polish speakers 'the Warsaw Rising' could refer to almost anything from the founding of the city to a particularly prosperous period....


Though not in American.

Emphasis mainly. 'Powstać' is definitely more emphatic than just 'wstać'.

Also, the noun 'wstanie' refers only to physical action, and in this form is rather rarely used, whilst 'powstanie' has other meanings too and can be used in a more abstract sense.