Polish and other Slavic nobility in our time

this is summer thread, relaxing.

i am very curious is there eventually some active representative of Polish nobility in our time. Will you help me to found out? Anyone?

i am especially interested in Polish sources in Polish and in English language

Why does nobility interest you, Crow? Where's the appeal? It can create false people when you see peasants parading around like they are nobility. Poles often forget their former nobles, this much has been told to me quite a few times by Poles.

Sean, do you have some info on any existing Polish nobility?

No, I'm afraid not. I imagine that there is plenty online, though.

The Radziwiłł family

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radziwi%C5%82%C5%82_family

is still very active in this organization:

chivalricorders.org/orders/smom/maltpold.htm

Bronisław Komorowski comes from noble family. His coat of arms is Korczak.

Radziwiłł

nice Coat of Arms

e, hvala ti. /e, thank you/. Especial thanks for links. This is kind of info that i want :)

please provide more info

All I can contribute, Crow, is to say that names ending in -ski tend to be more noble. Resident Poles will no doubt help you more.

We don't have enough land to account for all our landed gentry. LOL

i founded images >>>

Philip Radziwill with his wife Devon

News are really fresh...

Devon Schuster Marries Her Prince, Philip Radziwill In First Fairytale Wedding of 2010

If New York seemed too quiet this month it's because everyone skipped town for chicer climes. We've been covering the Sundance scene and now turn our attention to the glamorous Alps, where Derek Blasberg tweeted from the top o' the mountain and attended the wedding of Vogue's Devon Schuster to childhood sweetheart Philip Radziwill in the first fairytale wedding of 2010.

The wedding took place on January 15 and 16 in Gstaad, Switzerland, at a chalet belonging to the family of Radziwill, and lasted well into the night (as all good weddings should). As for the guest list, imagine all the cool lunch tables in the high school cafeteria converging on one dance floor. Besides Derek and the equally chatty Lyle Maltz were Minnie Mortimer, Lauren and Andres Santo Domingo,Bettina Prentice, and Devon's fellow Voguettes Meredith Melling Burke and Sylvana Soto-Ward.

Devon is a Vogue staffer, and Philip, grandson of Prince Stanislaw Albrecht Radziwill who was once married to Jacqueline Kennedy's sister Lee, is a London-born banker. They registered at Tiffany, Bloomingdale's, and Williams Sonoma and have a wedding website hosted by Wedding Channel.

Congratulations to the happy couple!

Devon Schuster Radziwill and friends

Devon Schuster Radziwill

but see this...



Lee Radziwill - formerly wife of Stanisław Albrecht Radziwiłł

thepeakofchic.blogspot.com/2008/06/lees-timeless-design.html

It goes without saying that many people have long been fascinated with Jackie Onassis- no surprise there. But Jackie's sister Lee Radziwill is also a style icon, albeit one who still stands in the shadow of her more famous sister. Certainly Radziwill is known for her keen fashion sense, but she seems to be quite confident in how she chooses to live (I'm talking about the actual interiors of her homes- NOT her personal life!).















Lee Radziwill: A Tribute

after all, this is about GLAMOUR

Stanisław Albrecht Radziwiłł

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_Albrecht_Radziwi%C5%82%C5%82

traitors :) this is how majority of poles think when see this surname :) and they were lithuanian nobility not polish :)

Less known about the Polish nobility is that there were plenty of impoverished ennobled peasants. For their service to theh country (usually miliatry service or defending the lord's castle) especially in the poor Podlasie region entire villages were ennobled. They may have been barefoot but in stirrups and tilled the hard-scrabble soil like their peasant neighbours, but had a coat of arms and a sword and could say: Szlachcic na zagrodzie równy wojewodzie (A farming gentleman is the equal of any voivod/governor).

it wasn't quite so,

Please elaborate and tell us what things were really like.

Nobles with tractors?

A friend of mine is a count and from a distingushed noble family, but unfortunately he is doing time in Wrocław for heroin smuggling. Any more about that would ruin Crow's summer fun thread.

Can you imagine "my gram Herr Baron?"

Polish nobility is quite different than european or other.

Maybe you asked about aristocracy, like Potoccy ( they live in Krakow now) etc.

Becouse , Poland is plenty of families with nobile roots. ( My mother family is, my grandmother also)


My mother sometimes says to her mother " Pani Matko" ofc. rather for fun ...

If nobles, aristocracy become such a great number of a people they stop to be noble aristocracy in the sense it is meant to be.

So I said that we have rather other meaning of word "nobile" than in western countries.

For example Polish nobility was about 10 -12% of all society, in France it was max. 1-2%

Well, in the most cases of compact nobles settlement was a result of dividing land to all children (often 6 or more) and even large area could become "patchy" in two generations.


I don't know instances when entire village was ennobled. Peasants were ennobled for military services but mostly they had to be recruited from Royal domain. In all such cases status of a noble were usually granted to individuals.

Only exceptions were made for Tatars, when their regiment had been ennobled en mass to ensure their military service on the Polish side, but it was more likely in Duchy than in Crown.

true. You are right, man is of noble origin. Very interesting

Bronisław Komorowski

Bronisław Komorowski - Acting President of Poland - Incumbent

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82aw_Komorowski


Russian Nobility of Today

Wednesday February 22, 2006
goeasteurope.about/b/2006/02/22/russian-nobility-of-today.htm


Russian Nobility Association in America

The Annual Russian Nobility Ball, at the Pierre Hotel, New York City
May 14th, 2010
russiannobility.org


RNA BALL IN HOUSTON, TEXAS


Russian Nobility Ball 2010
by Raphael Pungin
vimeo.com/11862794

You mean like nobilty, Aristocrats, or family's with rich titles?

My family come from a Polish/German poor noble family

Those who read Polish may enjoy learning about the barfoot, backwater gentry (szlachta zaściankowa) of the Podlasie region.
jamiolkowski.pl/korzenie/mpmmp.html

yes, yes


really? nice

what i know, in my family line/Clan nobody was promoted to nobility

But, our family tree remembered one occasion. That is, in time of Austro-Hungaria, brother of my grand grandfather abandoned Dalmatia and Lika because of work and settled in what is today`s Hungary. After a while he married to a Hungarian Countess from Carpathian region. Family data also recorded that, what was very unusual and interesting, his wife Countess, together with her family name and title took his (our) family name, too after married to my grand grand cousin.

As i know, even today, in Hungary lives those my distant cousins and still are bearers of our family name together with their other name and title.

That`s, what i know, our only connection with nobility in family. There are some other stories inside of family but, they are on the level of rumors so never mind.

there is difference between knights and nobles, its seems that for you is a vague difference.
When you talk about ennobling it means you are taking about times after knights era.

ahha

Well at some point from my grandparents I come from the family of Grunwald and Pacewicz (both noble family's)

Reason I said Polish-German is because they have always felt Polish but with Lithuanian ancestry so it's irrelevant if I say I am half Lithuanian really. (Pacewicz-Pacevicius)

From the Grunwald side there is the family of Schultz (later Szulc), although from the Grunwald side there was pretty many Emil's and one of them took part in a Polish uprising either in Listopadowe or Styczniowe (Polish months). Either how the GRUNWALD family got their nobility status from either the battle of Grunwald OR from one of those uprisings for taking part of it. (I am not sure)

Although one of the reasons why my granddad's father wasn't jailed was because during ww2 the Germans said, "Oh your family come from the family Schultz, you German!"

then he responded "No Sir, I am Polish"

That way he didn't become Volksdeutsche, also considering he took part in the Warsaw uprising and got wounded and sent to a Concentration camp in Western Germany. He got liberated by the Americans later on but out of need to know how his family is doing and that he was responsible for taking care of his own family he returned back to Poland. The family had always a tough time during the commie times in Poland, on Pacewicz side they lost all their estate and had to move to Warsaw. (the estate was in Lublin)

Since my family had noble ties they didn't get to have it easy in commie Poland. But they weren't "hunted" since they didn't go much into politics or underground parties or something. Until Solidarity movement in 1980's.

We have a coat of arms but it's at my grandmother's place, as she lives in Poland and I live in Norway I can't show it at the moment. But if anyone would be interested I can ask her to take a photo and mail it to me.

Franciszek Ksawery Branicki:

Opponent of the reforms of the Great Sejm (1788-1792), supporter of the Targowica Confederation. Sentenced to death in absentia by the Supreme Criminal Court during the Kościuszko Uprising (1794). He also fought a duel with the infamous Casanova, in which both were wounded but survived.

duel as depicted by youtube:

youtube.com/watch?v=G1vv44OckR4&feature=related

as described by Casanova himself:
books.google.com.au/books?id=-0F8CRLDPv4C&pg=PA423&lpg= PA423&dq=branicki+Casanowa&source=bl&ots=G4GsdkdIyc&sig=MsqHnRIEJdtFjN qwZD

Sounds like an interesting scoundrel this Branicki.

I would have dueled him with pleasure ;)

That makes the two of us, you would face him from the front and in the meantime i would shoot him in the back:)