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Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite?


gumishu 11 | 5,493
24 Nov 2010 #31
Pilsudski believed in country, building a independent prosperous Poland for all people within it's borders.

actually Piłsudzki envisioned a confederation of Slavic and Baltic States between Germany and Russia - he was a supporter of a free Ukrainian state for example (after defeats in 1920 Ukrainian state was not quite viable though) - furthermore had Poland really wanted it it could have conquered the whole of Lithuania not just the Vilnius region which was inhabited by a huge Polish majority - perhaps it was a political mistake even to claim the Vilnius region but Poland was not bent on subjugating the Lithuanians - haven't heard of Piłsudzki's views of a free Beloroussian state but I guess they were pretty similar to those of Ukraine - sadly the newborn Czechoslovak state (especially it's elites but not solely) were too russofile and their leadership decided upon seizing Zaolzie which was inhabited by big Polish majority and then implemented strict czechization/bohemization policies there - this spoiled the Czecho-Polish relations seriously
Piotr123 3 | 53
24 Nov 2010 #32
International Jewry accuse anyone not agreeing with them of anti-semitism! They use this tactic to silence any opposition. The same group created the Holocaust Industry and claimed exclusive rights to being the victims of World War II. Organizations such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center have machinated this scheme of embezzlement to forward the goals of Zionism.

One cannot fight them with rational arguments as all evidence presented is labeled as anti-semitic propaganda and dismissed before even being reviewed. But it is not enough for them to label all opposition in the present as anti-semitic, they even label anyone of criticizing International Jewry in the past as anti-semitic. The name of great men such as Roman Dmowski is smeared in the dirt.
jonni 16 | 2,485
24 Nov 2010 #33
Another bedroom brownshirt.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
24 Nov 2010 #34
Jonni, can I use this expression from now on? It's fantastic!
jonni 16 | 2,485
24 Nov 2010 #35
Feel free to!
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
25 Nov 2010 #36
If Dmowski was an "Antisemite" it is rather ironic that his advocation of ethnic nationalism in a multi-ethnic place can be seen as a model for Zionism in Palestine.
POLENGGGs 2 | 150
26 Nov 2010 #37
Harry Potter of Twentieth Century Politics.

Makes good reading for children, and adults who enjoy child-like behavior.

I guess, this one got popular - because all the other characters like him (and there were lots) weere just to Kkkkrazy

Zionism in Palestine.

Warszawa, Krakow, Lwow dla Polakow.

a Madagaskar dla Zydow.

This how a typical 'Polish Patriot' would be in pre-war Poland.

Sorry, Sad But True
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
26 Nov 2010 #38
given the cheating that many Jewish business folk were engaged in at the time

There is no reason anyone should think the same of all the Jews. People are people, and the bad ones are those who make alot of chaos and noise. The good ones are there too, but they like to live in peace with silence.

This is same for the Jewish, or any other religion or race.

The ignorant goes forward and generalizes on the basis of the wrong example.
Varsovian 92 | 634
26 Nov 2010 #39
I know it's how racists are type-cast but ...

"One of my best friends" (he actually is!) is an ethnic Jew of German parents (mother got out thanks to Frank Foley, father was bought out of, I think, Belsen before the war). The point I'd like to make is that although the family had been Lutheran for 300 years, they never married out and all their friends, Einstein and Menuhin included, were Jewish. OK, birds of a feather etc but for 3 centuries?? He was the first one to marry out, to his knowledge, and his wife took advantage of English divorce law dumped him for another bloke and earned a fortune. So perhaps his forbears were right after all.

His parents got a substantial pension from the (West) German state to compensate them for loss of their Berlin properties.

And my mate is virulently against the Holocaust industry - "It's run by greedy, self-serving Jewish lawyers, who fleece anyone they can, with little money going to victims."

When in Poland I took him naturally to Auschwitz, where a lot of his family died. We researched what records they kept and found names. A thoroughly depressing exercise.
Mr Grunwald 27 | 1,816
26 Nov 2010 #40
Piłsudski's vision of a Poland for all its citizens be they ethnically Polish, or Jewish, or Tartar, or Lithuanian, or Ruthenian, etc. is the truly patriotic one.

He had some reservations towards leftists. He jailed a few when he came to power. But still all the Jews had the right to create their Jewish political parties.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Poland#Political_parties_in_the_Second_Polish_Republic.2C_1918.E2.80.9339

Some of these were Jewish, I know also there were a lot more Jewish parties, but I guess they were rather small since they weren't taken into account in this list
Varsovian 92 | 634
26 Nov 2010 #41
Piłsudski was labelled a Jew-lover.
Mr Grunwald 27 | 1,816
26 Nov 2010 #42
Indeed, Nationalists didn't have much love for him at all ;)
Calling him a socialis as well cause of his background in the socialist party before ww1
Harry
26 Nov 2010 #43
Piłsudski was labelled a Jew-lover.

Hitler was a Jew lover (in the fornicative sense).
Varsovian 92 | 634
26 Nov 2010 #45
Raubl wasn't Jewish, neither was Braun. Hitler didn't have much of a sex life either. Just had Parkinson's, that's all. That's probably why he had to bring his long-desired war forward (in the Hossbach Memorandum of 1938 he was reported as talking about war starting in the mid-1940s).
Mr Grunwald 27 | 1,816
26 Nov 2010 #46
That's probably why he had to bring his long-desired war forward

Yeah...
Parkinson.. who would have thought about it...

Hitler didn't have much of a sex life either.

oookkeeeey....

*Whistles after an admin*This is starting to wander off
Go fetch!!!
(My bones are also for the taking if their not appropriatly made)
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,437
26 Nov 2010 #48
Dmowski was a great intellectual on the political diplomatic scene did more for Poland than Pilsudski.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
26 Nov 2010 #49
Dmowski was a genuine and hardcore antisemite. The Old Marshal was every inch more a Pole as this guy. Who rescued Poland from the Bolsheviks?
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,437
26 Nov 2010 #50
on the political diplomatic scene did more for Poland than Pilsudski

Who rescued Poland from the Bolsheviks?

Militarily Pilsudski diplomatically Dmowski
POLENGGGs 2 | 150
26 Nov 2010 #51
Pilsudski died because "on pil(bycze)sutki"

He wanted to make a multicultural land a POLISH one by force. And generally from stories I have heard from people who were actually around when he was - Byla Bida i Nyndza ,,,,please do not tell me it was so because he was putting too much money into Nuclear weapons research.
jonni 16 | 2,485
26 Nov 2010 #52
Bollocks of the first order. Jozef Pilsuski was one of the great figures of the twentieth century to whom we all owe a debt. Poland is rightly proud that he was one of her sons.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
26 Nov 2010 #53
Poland is rightly proud that he was one of her sons.

Why? I don't know much about the guy, he isn't liked much by the Lithuanians.
jonni 16 | 2,485
26 Nov 2010 #54
Why?

How many dictators in history said, "ok, i'm a dicator, but it was right at the time, now it's your turn to make a better world"? And he forged what we recognise now as Poland.
POLENGGGs 2 | 150
26 Nov 2010 #55
And he forged what we recognise now as Poland.

You be mistaking this person with General Zukov and the Ukrainian General - you know, them two Soviet armies racing to Berlin, having a race who will get the Reichstag building first.

This and subsequent gov't is what forged Poland as we recognize it today.
DariuszTelka 5 | 193
27 Nov 2010 #56
Was Roman Dmowski Poland's "Otto - The Nazirene"? It's the story about the movie "Life of Brian" and scenes that were deleted/cut out by jews themselves, about Eric Idles charachter "Otto - The Nazirene", who was "determined to promote Jewish racial purity, carve a Lebensraum from the "traditional Jewish areas of Samaria," displace the Samaritans into internment camps, and plan an Anschluss of Jordan to "create a great Jewish state that will last a thousand years."

notmytribe.com/2009/zionists-censor-life-of-brian-final-cut-812015.html

DariuszTelka

p.s. Harry, I see you suddenly got very interested in numbers again. When we discuss the holocaust, and I pointed out to you the fact that the official Auschwitz numbers were taken down from 6 million to 4 million to 2 and half million, and now down to 1 million, you didn't really care too much about that. But to find some "6 488" doctors and defining percentage is suddenly important and you get to tell people that they lie. But those 5 million that suddenly came to life or never lost it, whichever way you look at it in Auschwitz...now, what about that "percentage"? Important? Who is lying now? The museum? The Russians? The Poles? The Simon Wiesenthal Center? You?
jonni 16 | 2,485
27 Nov 2010 #57
Who is lying now? The museum? The Russians? The Poles? The Simon Wiesenthal Center? You?

You, a holocaust denier with a history of mental health issues.
DariuszTelka 5 | 193
27 Nov 2010 #58
How about adressing the facts for a change, and stop with the personal insults, jonni?

DariuszTelka
gumishu 11 | 5,493
27 Nov 2010 #59
But those 5 million that suddenly came to life or never lost it

there were other places the Jews used to be exterminated - there were deifnitely no 5 nor even 1 million survivors of Holocaust in Europe
jonni 16 | 2,485
27 Nov 2010 #60
How about adressing the facts for a change, and stop with the personal insults, jonni?

DariuszTelka

While you insult the memory of the dead by denying what happened to them - six million murdered all over Europe, and then some diagnosed nutter starts writing on the internet that it didn't happen. Perhaps they're all still hiding somewhere!

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