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The reasons of Polish pride?


Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
18 Jul 2019 #31
Yeah, you're right. Most Poles would die for their homeland.

That post of yours is a confirmation why women should never be allowed to vote. Your willingness to die for you homeland is funny since you know it's the men who do all that patriotic, and often idiotic, dying. Nice of you to be a patriot from your couch.

Other than that, there a moment in every fight when one side is no longer fighting; it's committing suicide. Poland was in that exact situation in September 1939 and Warsaw in August 1944. Stupid.
kaprys 3 | 2,502
18 Jul 2019 #32
@Rich Mazur
And again you prove you know nothing about Polish history.( So there was no women fighting Nazis, hmmm )And that you're a bitter coward.

Now go and cry that Polish women have the right to vote. I'm sure your boyfriend will comfort you.

And going back to the topic. I'm proud Polish women got their right to vote in 1918 :*
johnny reb 28 | 5,074
18 Jul 2019 #33
Yeah, you're right. Most Poles would die for their homeland.And I'm so glad we're not like you.

Now wait......didn't Professor Pawian just establish that every single person died at the American Alamo fighting for their Independence ?

So you think just sitting and waiting for your enemy is smarter?

Careful Lenka as you just hit the nail on the head to what America is presently doing.
Americans are all in their comfort zones with a fully charged cell phone and a full tank of gas in their SUV.
Most Americans could give a s*** about world affairs as long as the economy keeps booming.
There are a lot of them like Rich that are armchair quarterbacks with lots of idea's of how to make things better but that is as far as it ever gets. bla bla bla

There is so much apathy in America that it is almost to the point I wish for a good old fashion war on American soil just to humble these spoiled brat snowflakes that think the world owes them a living.

The ones that have NEVER sacrificed squat for their country are the ones who cry the loudest.
And Lenka, the Polish people in Poland have sacrificed more then humans should have to ever experience making you much more of an authority then some clueless silver spooned American that has never sacrificed squat.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
18 Jul 2019 #34
OK, back to the topic. Why are Poles proud fighting doomed fights? Because it's more patriotic being dead? Or romantic?
Ziemowit 13 | 4,259
18 Jul 2019 #35
So, again, why, knowing the outcome, would anyone offer 100%-futile resistance against an overwhelmingly stronger enemy

For exactly the same reasons WHY the defenders of Alamo, KNOWING THE OUTCOME, did.

It wasn't Z, Texas won a couple years later if you haven't noticed. lol

But first, they lost at Alamo. The same happened to Poland. First she lost and later she won, if you havent noticed. LOL

Also did you notice in all your googling that the State of Texas is more than twice as big as the country of Poland ?

I don't believe the state of Texas is twice as big as Poland just as I don't believe that the Earth is round, but first of all I don't believe that Rich Mazur is a son of Polish scientist Marian Mazur.

FLAT EARTH PROVEN BY INDEPENDENT RESEARCH
youtu.be/RywkkwO78m8
pawian 176 | 14,765
18 Jul 2019 #36
Why was the battle hopeless?

It wasn't Z, Texas won a couple years later if you haven't noticed. lol

Get a grip.. Ziemowit asked about the battle, not war. Are you able to distinguish these written words at all? :):)

But first, they lost at Alamo.

It seems he lost his sight.

That post of yours is a confirmation why women should never be allowed to vote

Yes, and your opinion about women is a resolute reason why the race of white supremacists is doomed to die out in the USA and be replaced by mixed people who will be more tolerant. No decent woman will ever agree to have kids with a white supremacist. :)

Why are Poles proud fighting doomed fights?

There is some logical flaw in your question. Which Poles do you mean exactly? I mean, from what period?
johnny reb 28 | 5,074
18 Jul 2019 #37
But first, they lost at Alamo.

And three years later (or so) became the State of Texas so they won.
Not that a Polish high school teacher would ever concede to though by proving him wrong.
Let him rattle on with his googlefied facts. lol
pawian 176 | 14,765
18 Jul 2019 #38
F*** your analogies until you answer my question first. Then you may say: It's like...

Sorry, but such a self proclaimed genius like you is supposed to know all the answers to all questions. Is it my fault that I still believe you are a genius as you incessantly claim and I am trying to satisfy your expectations for genial discourse? I can`t offer you direct answers cause they would be too easy and wouldn`t satisfy your need for intellectual challange. That is why I offer you analogies to make your mind have nice exercise.

Isn`t that obvious???

I don't believe the state of Texas is twice as big as Poland

Be careful, Jonnhy is ready to say everything what he remembers from school. E..g, tell you about dinosaurs.

haha
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
18 Jul 2019 #39
Which Poles do you mean exactly? I mean, from what period?

Those and that period:

There is a moment in every fight when one side is no longer fighting; it's committing suicide. Poland was in that exact situation in September 1939 and Warsaw in August 1944.
pawian 176 | 14,765
18 Jul 2019 #40
Those and that period:

Sorry, Mr Genius, you don`t understand. By which period Poles I mean:
- Poles before the hopeless fight
- Poles during the hopeless fight
- Poles who survived the hopeless fight and their descendants.

Be more precise next time, those 3 groups above are unique and should be dealt with seperately.
Lyzko 29 | 7,258
18 Jul 2019 #41
Touche, Joker!
:-)

And he was a bad one, boy, just think back to the Dems National Convention in your home town back round about '68.
Dicky had the cops bash Dan Rather for asking too many questionsLOL
Lenka 3 | 2,473
18 Jul 2019 #42
Careful Lenka as you just hit the nail on the head to what America is presently doing.

I'm talking of actual enemy's army entering your teritory and somehow I don't see it happening so sorry, I don't see how it's relevant
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
18 Jul 2019 #43
Sorry, Mr Genius, you don`t understand. By which period Poles I mean:

OK. Let's assume it's September 7, 1939. Germans are in with their tanks and artillery. Their planes are bombing Warsaw. People are dying.
The question: why continue fighting? What was the military objective?
And, please, if you want to insult me with some poetic, idiotic and patriotic one-liner or an analogy from a different planet, just ignore my post.
Lyzko 29 | 7,258
18 Jul 2019 #44
As the Victor Laszlo character in "Casablanca" said it best: "If we stop breathing, we die. If we stop fighting the world will die!"
Never in recorded human history were the battle lines more sharply drawn, nor was self-sacrifice more as much an unthinking matter of
course.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,259
18 Jul 2019 #45
Get a grip.. Ziemowit asked about the battle, not war.

Indeed, I asked why the battle was hopeless and got a reply that Texas won three years later.

And three years later (or so) became the State of Texas so they won.

No, it wasn't, even remotedly, a reply to my answer.
Lyzko 29 | 7,258
18 Jul 2019 #46
Yet many are still a bunch of separatists.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
18 Jul 2019 #47
Oh, God! Another stupid analogy!
Hey, I know another way to stop breathing...Take your little pistol and run against a German tank. It will work like a charm.

If we stop fighting the world will die!"

Another moronic one-liner.

nor was self-sacrifice more as much an unthinking matter of

I have no idea what that means but "unthinking" caught my attention as there is a rule that the "unthinking die first". Darwin at his very best.
pawian 176 | 14,765
18 Jul 2019 #48
Oh, God! Another stupid analogy!

By saying stupid analogy, you insult your genius.

Germans are in with their tanks and artillery. Their planes are bombing Warsaw. People are dying.why continue fighting?

Several reasons:
1. Poles believed their allies would attack Germans in the West. If they did with all their resources, the war would be finished within weeks.

2. Nobody knew what the real situation on the front was - German Blitzkrieg was so quick even top commanders had no idea what was happening until reconaissance spotted German troops at the gates of towns and cities. .

3. Despite tragic circumstances, people always cherish hope. Till the end. On 7th September nothing was decided yet. Although pressed with German tank and airforce superiority, Polish army groups were still fighting. They were forced to withdraw but they still put up resistance and gave Germans hard time. Hardly anybody was thinking of surrender, that was out of question.

You should have asked a different question: Why did Warsaw fight a hopeless battle during a murderous siege when Germans mercilessly bombed hospitals and civiilian quarters? On 17th September Soviet armies had attacked in the East, Why fight at all when it was obvious the allies would do nothing else apart from proclaiming war on Germany? Warsaw lasted till 27th or 28th as far as I know.
johnny reb 28 | 5,074
18 Jul 2019 #49
I'm talking of actual enemy's army entering your teritory

I was talking about the apathy in America.
Guess we are talking about two different apathy's ain't we.

No, it wasn't, even remotedly, a reply to my answer.

Of course it was Z.

I asked why the battle was hopeless and got a reply that Texas won three years later.

Then I guess the battle wasn't hopeless if they won for what they were fighting for was it now.
Because of the battle a treaty was signed to make Texas a State so in essence the battle was won.
Ya trackin' with me here ?
You Europeans just don't get American terminology is the problem here.
It happens constantly on this forum that the Eurps want to split hairs precisely with terminology.
The conclusion to this came when Dougy posted that we must use proper British English terminology here to be acceptable and I said tuff s***, we Americans will use American English terminology so get over yourselves.

Any American would know exactly what I meant which is all that is necessary in my life.
You Europeans must google the Urban slang dictionary for hours after Dirk makes one of his wild posts in American English slang. lol
pawian 176 | 14,765
18 Jul 2019 #50
Then I guess the battle wasn't hopeless if they won for what they were fighting for was it now.

Does it mean we understand hopeless battle in different ways? In my view, it means a fight against overwhelming enemy which lasts for a definite period of time and ends with a total defeat. The later events, positive or negative, are not important.

What is yours?

Because of the battle a treaty was signed to make Texas a State so in essence the battle was won.

hahaha OK. A very Polish point of view - Poles lost Warsaw Uprising but in fact scored a moral victory which proved useful later on.

No more questions and doubts about hopeless battle.
Lyzko 29 | 7,258
18 Jul 2019 #51
@Rich,
You should be smart enough to think of such lines! It was also true, as Hitler was to be sure the very worst scourge which modern humanity had yet encountered, not including of course Genghis Khan or later, the Crusaders, yet for totally different reasons.

Social Darwinism is also a disease, roots perhaps somewhere in Kant, later a misreading of Charles Darwin, whose "Survival of the Fittest" related
solely to the four-legged species of fauna, NOT MAN!!
:-)
johnny reb 28 | 5,074
27 Jan 2020 #52
Read about Witold Pilecki,

That guy is not just a Polish hero, he was a World hero.
Auschwitz was liberated 75 years ago today.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-polish-hero-who-volunteered-to-go-to-auschwitz-%e2%80%94-and-warned-the-world-about-the-nazi-death-machine/ar-BBZl371?li=BBnb7Kz
Tacitus 2 | 1,180
27 Jan 2020 #53
If Hollywood were to make a movie about him, people would complain that it was unbelievable.
terri 1 | 1,665
27 Jan 2020 #54
There is already a film re: Pilecki
johnny reb 28 | 5,074
27 Jan 2020 #55
If Hollywood were to make a movie about him, people would complain that it was unbelievable.

Well they did in 2015 and it was unbelievable.
It wasn't until the 1990s that Zofia and Andrzej Pilecki found out their father was a hero.
As teens in postwar Poland, they had been told he was a traitor and an enemy of the state, and they listened to news reports about his 1948 trial and execution on the school radio.

Today is the 75th anniversary of Auschwitz Liberation:
adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/auschwitz-survivors-walk-through-camp-gates-on-75th-anniversary-of-liberation/video/5475e5889f11f384692e8314eed11c3a
pawian 176 | 14,765
7 Mar 2020 #56
What are some reasons to be proud to be polish?

Poles lost their state partitioned by major superpowers for 123 years but later resurrected it. Wow!


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