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Not proud of my Polish heritage

Lyzko 37 | 8,557
18 Sep 2018 #31

The scientific contributions of Polish-born mathematicians, physicists, and astronomers are legion! Without Kopernikus, we'd still believe the sun revolves around the earth, with Lobaczewski, differential calculus received a boost, and without Manya Sklodowska aka Mme. Marie Curie, we'd perhaps know less about the effects of

radiation, much the same way as Dr. Kazimir Funk gave the first introduction in modern medicine to the power of vitamins.

Multiply every German Kepler, Leibniz, Gauss, Roentgen or Einstein by the contemporaneous accomplishments of the Poles, and one would find no less in the latter category.

Poland has simply been a victim of horrendous public relations over the past centuries and it's certainly high time to set things right on that score!
johnny reb 38 | 7,720
18 Sep 2018 #32
Your sense of self-importance is just another form of mental disorder and should be treated like any other mental disorder,

Well said Rich and just to let you know, you are one of MANY people that have pointed this out from the beginning of this forum.

The OP has made some excellent points that make some feel very uncomfortable because those points are undeniable.
(Some people can't handle the truth)
So they counter by demanding the OP defend himself until they find a soft spot, twist it out of context going totally off - topic to confuse the issue.

The OP has the right to post his personal opinion without having to defend himself to the "self-important bullies" here that actually think that it is their private forum.

Hopefully others will step in that can stay on point.

I hope so too Bogznami because this Polish topic is long over due here.
You are correct, Polish people seem to have a huge inferiority complex when it comes to constructive criticism.
Rich posted a similar post when he first came here and he was jumped on in the same manner you have been so don't give up.

You are the OP here so if these self-important bullies start going Off-Topic just click on the X by the post number and report all off topic posts so the Mods can clean up your thread to keep it flowing on topic.

Welcome - J.R.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,138
18 Sep 2018 #33
They will never admit to being wrong, they fail to see the big picture, and they go off on tangents instead of addressing the core arguments.

I couldn't express it any better. If you post six ideas, all well edited and numbered, and, at the end, you add a throw-away remark like, "it's so simple that even my cat would understand", the first response will be about your cat. Or that you are a Kremlin troll. The real meat of the post will be ignored if, God forbid, it might be critical of Poland. Such things are blasphemy here and, I assume, in Poland, as well.

I was actually told that in Poland I would me killed for one of my posts. That's the kind of neurosis, as somebody called it recently, you will be dealing with here.

If you really want to seal your fate, tell them that Katyn, as awful as it was, does not compare with the total war casualties. Or that the Warsaw Uprising was a dumb idea.
Lyzko 37 | 8,557
18 Sep 2018 #34
Poland had been under the yoke of Russia's hegemony for ever so long, it nearly lost its cultural identity.
jon357 71 | 20,031
18 Sep 2018 #35
The more affluent and educated people took great pains to preserve it, the rural peasantry never had it.
Lyzko 37 | 8,557
18 Sep 2018 #36
Quite true, jon. Good point:-)
jon357 71 | 20,031
18 Sep 2018 #37
In pre-industrial, pre-literacy, pre-mass media and pre-long distance travel days this was I think the norm in larger countries.
Lyzko 37 | 8,557
18 Sep 2018 #38
Social class distinctions nonetheless did play a significant role in the dissemination of information as you said.
jon357 71 | 20,031
18 Sep 2018 #39
Yes; basically some people were exposed to more information and ideas than others who toiled to stay alive and never went further than their local market town (and that as a great treat)..
Miloslaw 14 | 4,529
18 Sep 2018 #40
And you think their opinion is less important?
jon357 71 | 20,031
18 Sep 2018 #41
I don't see any discussion about people's opinions. We were talking about historical cultural identity and preservation of heritage in times of crisis.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,529
18 Sep 2018 #42
But you were being elitist again by comparing educated people to were clever not to use those terms,but it was clear.
jon357 71 | 20,031
18 Sep 2018 #43
You seem to be trying to construct an argument unrelated to the issue. Class differences in the Nineteenth Century and their nexus with mobility, education and culture were very real.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
18 Sep 2018 #45
people were exposed to more information and ideas than others who toiled to stay alive and never went further than their local market town

Indeed, wasn't this one reason why priests were seen to hold such intelligence? I seem to remember something from the dark and distant past about priests being storytellers and the source of information for people who simply didn't travel, especially back in the times of Chaucer.
jon357 71 | 20,031
18 Sep 2018 #46
Very much so, and much much later than that. They had been educated and had usually travelled at a time when or most people didn't get a chance to either get even a rudimentary education or travel much further than they could walk in a day. In many rural societies they were very much the custodians of knowledge, culture tradition, especially since the ruling class were rarely keen to share what they had.
johnny reb 38 | 7,720
18 Sep 2018 #47
They wanted to keep the people ignorant so they could have complete control over them.
Still holds true today.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
18 Sep 2018 #48
The achievements of Poles absolutely pale in comparison to Western nations.

Yet again, your 'research' is not even a real research you have been using google. Afterwards you came on this forum and makes some bizarre claims. If you are not kidding this is pathetic. I cannot take you seriously.

Unless we talk about YOUR opinion and not some summary of facts. If that is only YOUR opinion. I don't care - whatever. Just don't falsely claim that you know something ok?

Use phrases like - I think, in my opinion, seems to me and so on...

I contrast two early 20th century leading figures of Poland, Pulsudski and Dmowski.

Don't pretend you know anything. OK? Stay cool, you cannot fake it, so don't even try.

Have you wasted all your typing power here just to basically ask - why Poland is not USA? To be precise why Poland dis not 'rich' like USA or some other countries you named. Just in case you're not a troll or some old PF member I won't call you a simpleton.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
18 Sep 2018 #49
The so-called "żołnierze wyklęci" who fought after the end of the war against the Soviet "liberators"

Lot of soviet crap you are spewing Ziem, I guess I was right about you.

ewrite the history of the early and late 1980s are doing tremendous damage

Well, it is not for you to judge maf. Those issues are better left for people involved, to solve between themselves.
TheWizard - | 236
19 Sep 2018 #50
They never get it, they think they are part of a discussion, they don't realise they are a part of the punt in a joke.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,404
19 Sep 2018 #51
Lot of soviet crap you are spewing Ziem, I guess I was right about you.

I think you are one big soviet crap yourself, but in disguise. And I guess that has been obvious for everyone on this forum.

Those issues are better left for people involved, to solve between themselves.

Perhaps, but you are not one of them. You are simply a "true Polish patriot" choosing to live outside Poland and that's a completely different category.

Polish people seem to have a huge inferiority complex when it comes to constructive criticism.

This thread serves the purpose of provoking Polish people which is what I explained in my earlier post that has been moved from here to Random. I may suspect that the OP is in fact Rich Mazur in disguise as the thoughts of the OP expressed here are almost in perfect concordance with Mazur's views.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,529
19 Sep 2018 #52
You have a good point............
Kurdemole - | 1
19 Sep 2018 #53
[Moved from]: I agree with the not proud to be Polish thread

I agree with this. The Polish are so small minds so small of people. They shout and argue about everything and act like children. Their culture is weak and uncivilized. They try to put others around them down particularly the women to make themselves seem better. They are petty. etc. no personal responsibility or accountability. Ive dealt with numerous landlords like this already and see how they are on an every day basis. just go to a shop and try to buy groceries and ask a question. Small minds. Small people. Ive never seen a population so small in mind and spirit in the U.S. except the most uneducated migrants and day laborers.

Oh and they constantly cut in line too and shout. Everywhere they go these old women are waving their hands shouting like apes.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,082
19 Sep 2018 #54
Poland has simply been a victim of horrendous public relations over the past centuries

Really? It's all down to bad PR???
JohnnyIrish - | 4
19 Sep 2018 #55
I'm fascinated by this thread and the attacks on the OP.

I've recently moved to Poland with my Polish born wife and our children.

I've always been intrigued by my brother-in-law's sense of 'pride' in Poland and his nationalistic / right wing tendancies. I have been visiting Poland after meeting my wife for almost 20 years and come to recognise this 'nationalistic' pride in many people, but never fully understood why. However I am now looking at Poland through different eyes now I live here.

This pride was extremely evident when on my children's first day at school they were expected to stand when the flag was brought into the hall and again when the national anthem was sung. This would be deemed wholly innapropriate in the majority of Irish and British schools

Despite benefitting from millions of Euro in funding from the EU and creating new road sytems and many other capital projects which have tidied up many of the bigger cities and towns, the place is still covered in rubbish and dog faeces. People seem to have more money nowadays with many western European shops in most city centres and a plethora of expensive cars parked in the driveways of numerous unfinished new houses. However the wider environment is a disgrace, rubbish strewn streets, groups of men getting drunk in the open air in the same place for as long as I have been visiting and everyone turning a blind-eye. There is a phrase for this sense of 'pride' in English; Posh hat, no knickers.

......and bureaucracy!!

I will entertain myself observing the Polish psyche and visiting this forum in an attempt to make sense of it.
Atch 17 | 3,683
19 Sep 2018 #56
Posh hat, no knickers

I always knew it as 'fur coat and no knickers' but anyway.............

You will certainly see the flag in Irish schools on St Patrick's Day :) I think we don't think need the symbols of the flag and the anthem in quite the same way as Poland because we have a very strong cultural identity that permeates our society, with our sports, our music, etc. Also I think symbols of Catholicism were really the rallying point in Irish schools, the Sacred Bleeding Heart of Jesus pictures for example, the gi-normous statues of Our Lady, you must remember all that.......... and still the day starts with prayers and the Christian ethos is very much promoted. The school year in Ireland often kicks off with a mass for the teachers or a mass for the senior classes in the school. That you don't see in Polish schools despite it being it a Catholic country and more mainstream Catholic than Ireland. In Ireland, the promotion of the Irish language and the Catholic faith were the central core of Irish schools.

Oh and céad míle fáilte of course :))
Ironside 51 | 11,337
19 Sep 2018 #57
ubbish strewn streets,

BS dude, I smell BS.

I agree with this.

do you? Your mind must be really small. What is that A Day of A Troll? lol!

I think you are one big soviet crap yourself, but in disguise.

I see you are unable to refute the point I made so you regress to a kindergarten level.

I'm one of the Polish people you are just an a..hole and a Soviet.
JohnnyIrish - | 4
19 Sep 2018 #58
Go raibh mile maith agat le fáilte roimh chách, tá mo Cleann ón nGaeltacht i nDún na nGall.

I think symbols of Catholicism were really the rallying point in Irish schools

were the most important word in that sentance, the visit of the Pope a few weeks ago displayed how unimportant Catholicism is now in Ireland, combined with the innumerous sexual assaults by the clergy and don't forget the 800 babies bodies in a cesspit in County Mayo!

Anyway this is off topic, but I will be keeping my eye on how this nationalist attitude affects my childrens' very open attitude to the world, any indication they are adopting the engrained racism, nationalism, superiority, I witness on a daily basis and they will be taken out of state education.

......first post and I am already being attacked too, half expected it, a 'difference of opinion' does not appear to be welcomed in Poland.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,846
19 Sep 2018 #59
The streets are pretty clean in poland at least in wroclaw krakow etc far cleaner than in paris and most italian cities. Graffiti though yes theres tons of it and it makes nice buildings look hideous and trashy. Fortunately atleast the kids have enough respect not to tag up churches although ive seen a few cultural sites not spared
Lyzko 37 | 8,557
19 Sep 2018 #60
I never found Polish cities dirty! Although only in two of them, grime was the last thing I associated with Poland.

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