Not proud of my Polish heritage

Bogznami,

The scientific contributions of Polish-born mathematicians, physicists, and astronomers are legion! Without Kopernikus, we'd still believe the sun revolves around the earth, with Lobaczewski, differential calculus received a boost, and without Manya Sklodowska aka Mme. Marie Curie, we'd perhaps know less about the effects of

radiation, much the same way as Dr. Kazimir Funk gave the first introduction in modern medicine to the power of vitamins.

Multiply every German Kepler, Leibniz, Gauss, Roentgen or Einstein by the contemporaneous accomplishments of the Poles, and one would find no less in the latter category.

Poland has simply been a victim of horrendous public relations over the past centuries and it's certainly high time to set things right on that score!

Well said Rich and just to let you know, you are one of MANY people that have pointed this out from the beginning of this forum.

The OP has made some excellent points that make some feel very uncomfortable because those points are undeniable.
(Some people can't handle the truth)
So they counter by demanding the OP defend himself until they find a soft spot, twist it out of context going totally off - topic to confuse the issue.

The OP has the right to post his personal opinion without having to defend himself to the "self-important bullies" here that actually think that it is their private forum.


I hope so too Bogznami because this Polish topic is long over due here.
You are correct, Polish people seem to have a huge inferiority complex when it comes to constructive criticism.
Rich posted a similar post when he first came here and he was jumped on in the same manner you have been so don't give up.

You are the OP here so if these self-important bullies start going Off-Topic just click on the X by the post number and report all off topic posts so the Mods can clean up your thread to keep it flowing on topic.

Welcome - J.R.

I couldn't express it any better. If you post six ideas, all well edited and numbered, and, at the end, you add a throw-away remark like, "it's so simple that even my cat would understand", the first response will be about your cat. Or that you are a Kremlin troll. The real meat of the post will be ignored if, God forbid, it might be critical of Poland. Such things are blasphemy here and, I assume, in Poland, as well.

I was actually told that in Poland I would me killed for one of my posts. That's the kind of neurosis, as somebody called it recently, you will be dealing with here.

If you really want to seal your fate, tell them that Katyn, as awful as it was, does not compare with the total war casualties. Or that the Warsaw Uprising was a dumb idea.

Poland had been under the yoke of Russia's hegemony for ever so long, it nearly lost its cultural identity.

The more affluent and educated people took great pains to preserve it, the rural peasantry never had it.

Quite true, jon. Good point:-)

In pre-industrial, pre-literacy, pre-mass media and pre-long distance travel days this was I think the norm in larger countries.

Social class distinctions nonetheless did play a significant role in the dissemination of information as you said.

Yes; basically some people were exposed to more information and ideas than others who toiled to stay alive and never went further than their local market town (and that as a great treat)..

And you think their opinion is less important?

I don't see any discussion about people's opinions. We were talking about historical cultural identity and preservation of heritage in times of crisis.

But you were being elitist again by comparing educated people to peasants.....you were clever not to use those terms,but it was clear.

You seem to be trying to construct an argument unrelated to the issue. Class differences in the Nineteenth Century and their nexus with mobility, education and culture were very real.

And your point?

Indeed, wasn't this one reason why priests were seen to hold such intelligence? I seem to remember something from the dark and distant past about priests being storytellers and the source of information for people who simply didn't travel, especially back in the times of Chaucer.

Very much so, and much much later than that. They had been educated and had usually travelled at a time when or most people didn't get a chance to either get even a rudimentary education or travel much further than they could walk in a day. In many rural societies they were very much the custodians of knowledge, culture tradition, especially since the ruling class were rarely keen to share what they had.

They wanted to keep the people ignorant so they could have complete control over them.
Still holds true today.

Yet again, your 'research' is not even a real research you have been using google. Afterwards you came on this forum and makes some bizarre claims. If you are not kidding this is pathetic. I cannot take you seriously.

Unless we talk about YOUR opinion and not some summary of facts. If that is only YOUR opinion. I don't care - whatever. Just don't falsely claim that you know something ok?

Use phrases like - I think, in my opinion, seems to me and so on...


Don't pretend you know anything. OK? Stay cool, you cannot fake it, so don't even try.

Have you wasted all your typing power here just to basically ask - why Poland is not USA? To be precise why Poland dis not 'rich' like USA or some other countries you named. Just in case you're not a troll or some old PF member I won't call you a simpleton.

Lot of soviet crap you are spewing Ziem, I guess I was right about you.


Well, it is not for you to judge maf. Those issues are better left for people involved, to solve between themselves.

They never get it, they think they are part of a discussion, they don't realise they are a part of the punt in a joke.

I think you are one big soviet crap yourself, but in disguise. And I guess that has been obvious for everyone on this forum.


Perhaps, but you are not one of them. You are simply a "true Polish patriot" choosing to live outside Poland and that's a completely different category.


This thread serves the purpose of provoking Polish people which is what I explained in my earlier post that has been moved from here to Random. I may suspect that the OP is in fact Rich Mazur in disguise as the thoughts of the OP expressed here are almost in perfect concordance with Mazur's views.

You have a good point............

[Moved from]: I agree with the not proud to be Polish thread

I agree with this. The Polish are so small minds so small of people. They shout and argue about everything and act like children. Their culture is weak and uncivilized. They try to put others around them down particularly the women to make themselves seem better. They are petty. etc. no personal responsibility or accountability. Ive dealt with numerous landlords like this already and see how they are on an every day basis. just go to a shop and try to buy groceries and ask a question. Small minds. Small people. Ive never seen a population so small in mind and spirit in the U.S. except the most uneducated migrants and day laborers.

Oh and they constantly cut in line too and shout. Everywhere they go these old women are waving their hands shouting like apes.

Really? It's all down to bad PR???

I'm fascinated by this thread and the attacks on the OP.

I've recently moved to Poland with my Polish born wife and our children.

I've always been intrigued by my brother-in-law's sense of 'pride' in Poland and his nationalistic / right wing tendancies. I have been visiting Poland after meeting my wife for almost 20 years and come to recognise this 'nationalistic' pride in many people, but never fully understood why. However I am now looking at Poland through different eyes now I live here.

This pride was extremely evident when on my children's first day at school they were expected to stand when the flag was brought into the hall and again when the national anthem was sung. This would be deemed wholly innapropriate in the majority of Irish and British schools

Despite benefitting from millions of Euro in funding from the EU and creating new road sytems and many other capital projects which have tidied up many of the bigger cities and towns, the place is still covered in rubbish and dog faeces. People seem to have more money nowadays with many western European shops in most city centres and a plethora of expensive cars parked in the driveways of numerous unfinished new houses. However the wider environment is a disgrace, rubbish strewn streets, groups of men getting drunk in the open air in the same place for as long as I have been visiting and everyone turning a blind-eye. There is a phrase for this sense of 'pride' in English; Posh hat, no knickers.

......and bureaucracy!!

I will entertain myself observing the Polish psyche and visiting this forum in an attempt to make sense of it.

I always knew it as 'fur coat and no knickers' but anyway.............

You will certainly see the flag in Irish schools on St Patrick's Day :) I think we don't think need the symbols of the flag and the anthem in quite the same way as Poland because we have a very strong cultural identity that permeates our society, with our sports, our music, etc. Also I think symbols of Catholicism were really the rallying point in Irish schools, the Sacred Bleeding Heart of Jesus pictures for example, the gi-normous statues of Our Lady, you must remember all that.......... and still the day starts with prayers and the Christian ethos is very much promoted. The school year in Ireland often kicks off with a mass for the teachers or a mass for the senior classes in the school. That you don't see in Polish schools despite it being it a Catholic country and more mainstream Catholic than Ireland. In Ireland, the promotion of the Irish language and the Catholic faith were the central core of Irish schools.

Oh and céad míle fáilte of course :))

BS dude, I smell BS.


do you? Your mind must be really small. What is that A Day of A Troll? lol!


I see you are unable to refute the point I made so you regress to a kindergarten level.

I'm one of the Polish people you are just an a..hole and a Soviet.

@Atch
Go raibh mile maith agat le fáilte roimh chách, tá mo Cleann ón nGaeltacht i nDún na nGall.


were ...is the most important word in that sentance, the visit of the Pope a few weeks ago displayed how unimportant Catholicism is now in Ireland, combined with the innumerous sexual assaults by the clergy and don't forget the 800 babies bodies in a cesspit in County Mayo!

Anyway this is off topic, but I will be keeping my eye on how this nationalist attitude affects my childrens' very open attitude to the world, any indication they are adopting the engrained racism, nationalism, superiority, I witness on a daily basis and they will be taken out of state education.

......first post and I am already being attacked too, half expected it, a 'difference of opinion' does not appear to be welcomed in Poland.

The streets are pretty clean in poland at least in wroclaw krakow etc far cleaner than in paris and most italian cities. Graffiti though yes theres tons of it and it makes nice buildings look hideous and trashy. Fortunately atleast the kids have enough respect not to tag up churches although ive seen a few cultural sites not spared

I never found Polish cities dirty! Although only in two of them, grime was the last thing I associated with Poland.