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What do Poles think about Turks?


Marek 4 | 867
6 Jun 2008 #331
Yes, Bratwurst Boy, "Tuerk-Proll" is the name for it, and, surprise, it's spoken predominantly, although not exclusively, in and around the working-class districts of Berlin, such as Marzahn as well as in heavily Turkish neighborhoods like Kreuzberg, 'Istanbul an der Spree', 'Die kleine Turkei'....
MarcinD 4 | 135
10 Jun 2008 #332
I have a brother in law that is a Turkish German. Born and rasied in Germany but views himself as Turk first.

I visited Turkey for the first time in 2006 and loved it. Very passionate people with A LOT of pride that kind of have to take a back seat to Greeks in hitorical terms atleast. For example in American history classes you are drilled with Greek culture but are taught nearly nothing of Turks, which is odd since they are neighbors and at times are nearly identical. Overall I think they hold the same exact qualities that Poles do. Very similar in my opinion.

But it does take a little getting use to. Poles for the most part are reserved and try to be very respectable/quiet. Turks on the other hand, are very loud and open people....that is in their blood. While it might not mix at first the combo of Turks and Germans is even more odd in my opinion. Seeing first hand how the cultures interacted in Germany was funny at times. Turks being the loud and out going group while the Germans are very quiet and in a shell at times.

I think Poles and Turks are very similar in many ways for better and worse.
southern 75 | 7,096
10 Jun 2008 #333
in American history classes you are drilled with Greek culture but are taught nearly nothing of Turks, which is odd

So you prefer to be taught about turkish culture?Are you sure the Americans based their democracy on Quran and Sultan and want this culture to be taught?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,426
10 Jun 2008 #334
Umm..wait a minute:

Poles for the most part are reserved and try to be very respectable/quiet

Turks being the loud and out going group

the Germans are very quiet and in a shell at times.

makes:

Poles and Turks are very similar in many ways

???
MarcinD 4 | 135
10 Jun 2008 #335
I would say Turks are the most out going/loud with Germans being on the extreme and Poles somewhere in the middle. Poles just have to open up and get the Vodka flowing and they are nearly just like Turks I'd say.

It has to do with the whole, we've been in the middle of Russia/Germany throughout our history and the Turks being over shadowed by Greeks and Italians to a lesser extent that I was trying to get at.
southern 75 | 7,096
10 Jun 2008 #336
they are neighbors and at times are nearly identical. Overall I think they hold the same exact qualities that Poles do. Very similar in my opinion.

So Greeks,Poles are identical to Turks in your opinion.Maybe everybody is a Turk.

Are you sure that you have seen Germans when they have the beer flowing?
MarcinD 4 | 135
10 Jun 2008 #337
So you prefer to be taught about turkish culture?Are you sure the Americans based their democracy on Quran and Sultan and want this culture to be taught?

Well obviously politics is a reason why you don't learn much about Turks in American history books. For the most part the history books in Grade School are pretty pathetic in America as a whole....
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,426
10 Jun 2008 #338
Ah ha! :) But there is nothing good in trying to emulate Turks...so better not try! :)
southern 75 | 7,096
10 Jun 2008 #339
Well obviously politics is a reason why you don't learn much about Turks in American history books

Tell me a reason why should an American learn about Turks.What is their contribution to culture and civilization.
MarcinD 4 | 135
10 Jun 2008 #340
So Greeks,Poles are identical to Turks in your opinion.Maybe everybody is a Turk.

Are you sure that you have seen Germans when they have the beer flowing?

I haven't encountered as many Greeks as Turks but no I wouldn't say Greeks/Poles are as similar in character.

How would you say the two compare?
osiol 55 | 3,922
10 Jun 2008 #341
What is their contribution to culture and civilization

They introduced the alembic to Europe. Okay, so it was a Persian / Arab invention, and none of them really used it for it's most obvious purpose: distilling alcoholic beverages.
southern 75 | 7,096
10 Jun 2008 #342
I haven't encountered as many Greeks as Turks but no I wouldn't say Greeks/Poles are as similar in character.

You write Greeks are almost similar to Turks.Then you write Turks are identical to Poles.So sb can conclude by what you write that Greeks and Poles are also identical.

If Greeks=Turks and Turks=Poles,then Greeks=Poles.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893
10 Jun 2008 #343
I don't think Turks are like Greeks, Greeks mix, Turks dont, simple as that. There are some similarities in complexion (both have olive skin, but thats down to climate)and food, but I'd say I could tell a Greek from a Turk 9 out of 10, the very odd and occasional good looking Turk will pass for a Greek ;-)
MarcinD 4 | 135
10 Jun 2008 #344
You write Greeks are almost similar to Turks.Then you write Turks are identical to Poles.So sb can conclude by what you write that Greeks and Poles are also identical.
If Greeks=Turks and Turks=Poles,then Greeks=Poles.

I'd say in terms of national pride and holding a resentment towards your neighbors - Poles/Turks are similiar. Plus when the hard booze starts flowing....

Greeks/Turks are simliar because they are neighbors, much like you would say Poles/Russians or Germans are smiliar but you wouldn't say Germans and Russians are similiar.

I dunno, it's a difficult question, but overall I'd say I have a lot of respect for Turks and think they mean well. I know there is a huge percentage of them in Germany and when that happens obviously your gonna encounter the worse that they have to offer at the same time. Kebab with sourkraut was very odd to me .....
southern 75 | 7,096
10 Jun 2008 #345
In my opinion Poles have slavic culture,Germans have western culture and Greeks have mediteranean culture.Turks have turkish culture.
Turkish culture is very remote from slavic culture in most terms.Mediteranean culture is maybe closer to slavic culture than western culture is(for example family bonds,leisure,esthetic) but is remote on some other terms.(Slavs have more natural manners and freedom in my opinion while after Roman Empire freedom left mediteranean countries).
PolishXBarbie 3 | 50
10 Jun 2008 #347
turks are the outcome of the combination with greeks though. So they have similarities.
rock
11 Jun 2008 #348
Greeks are Europeans...Turks not!

Turks are Europeans. More than 600 years of contact with all the european nations.
Turkish land was very close to Vienna in 1600's. Our face was always look to west.
We have great knowledge about Greeks, Serbs, Hungarians, Albanians, Bulgarians, Slovaks, Habsburg Austria, Lechs.

Yes, Turks are muslim and Europeans are mostly christain. So what ?
This religional difference doesn't mean that Turks are not European.
I think some of the Europeans are more radical and conservative in that issue than Turks.
Marek 4 | 867
11 Jun 2008 #349
The Turks are a bridge culture, Eurasia, between West and East. -:)
osiol 55 | 3,922
11 Jun 2008 #350
It is much easier to define Europe than it is to define Asia. Europe is a term that has been around longer than Islam, and it is Turkey's Islamic status that seems to be the principal reason many people say that Turkey is not in Europe. Many definitions put Turkey as being both in Europe and Asia, rather in the same way as Russia is, only with Turkey, it's just that little bit on this side of the Bosporus that is in Europe. But perhaps it's not so much about where we are from, but about where we are going.
isisores - | 46
11 Jun 2008 #351
it is Turkey's Islamic status that seems to be the principal reason many people say that Turkey is not in Europe

so you say, if we people who live in turkey were christians then we would be considered as europeans?
southern 75 | 7,096
11 Jun 2008 #352
The Turks are a bridge culture

Let them keep the bridge.At least they are out.

Turkish land was very close to Vienna in 1600's.

You mean Europe was vandalized till close to Vienna.

More than 600 years of contact with all the european nations

Yes,you learned a lot from european nations.So much as to steal and loot all occupied lands and bring them to stagnation.

We have great knowledge about Greeks, Serbs

You shlould know how great our knowledge of Turks is.It is so great that we are happy they cannot enter Europe again.

if we people who live in turkey were christians then we would be considered as europeans?

If you were christians,you would be Greeks.Is this a question to make?
And if Saudi Arabia were christian,would there be no terrorists?
Marek 4 | 867
13 Jun 2008 #353
Merely curious again, Southern. Just what is your nationality?-:)
rock - | 460
13 Jun 2008 #354
Southern, you are really a problematic person. Although your knowledge in different areas are high, you can't make healty analysis. Because you are not open minded. You have some obsessions . One of them is ''Turks''

You mean Europe was vandalized till close to Vienna.

As you know, from the beginning of creation of humankind, humans fight, make wars each other without stoping. Last example USA in Iraq. If a country fells itself strong begins to attack other countries. Byzantium empire was the same, Roma empire was the same. England and France made wars for 100 years. Ottoman Empire was also very strong in that centuries and conquer a lot of country in Europe.

Why you think when Turks conquer your country, it is vandalism ? When Byzantium empire did the same it is not?

Yes,you learned a lot from european nations.So much as to steal and loot all occupied lands and bring them to stagnation.

This is also same for all conquerers. Indians in USA will laugh you when they remember and compare what they live when the modern European man come to America.

You shlould know how great our knowledge of Turks is.It is so great that we are happy they cannot enter Europe again.

Don't be so sure. There are also analytical thinking people in Europe.

Also, I can't tell I hate Americans, Greeks, Germans, Arabics etc. How can you hate Turks. This is pathetic. One case study : İf Southern is ill and only a Turkish doctor will have to take care of him. What happens ? My answer : Southern rejects Turkish doctor. Because he hates Turks.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
13 Jun 2008 #355
He's Greek so he probably dislikes Turks
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,426
13 Jun 2008 #356
Europe as the Germans understand is it the "christliches Abendland"...it's our heritage and our cultural imprint even if not all are regular church goers.

Turkey is so much different that those few square miles which officially belong to Europe mean nothing.
We don't want Mosques in our countries, nor muezzins howling in our streets, nor discuss if our women have to wear a headscarf...period!

Turkey is so not Europe!
Maxxx Payne 1 | 196
13 Jun 2008 #357
nor discuss if our women have to wear a headscarf...period!

actually it was other way around: are women allowed to wear a headscarf
tomek - | 134
13 Jun 2008 #358
Why starting such a thread? Isn't it obvious what most Poles think of them?

The migrants have no willing to adjust to our norms - bring their own coulture and habits and contaminate our lands with it. They kill their sisters who date ouside turkish comunities. They gang together and destabilize the parts of towns they inhabitate in larger numbers. They sell crappy drugs which endanger the health of our youth.

New problem is that much money in Turkey has been made by migrants in Europe - the Turks in Turkey are averagelly more educated and less religioulsy radical than those peasants from anatolia who left turkey in the last decades. This new power brought into Turkey led to a weakaning of the secularistic government in Turkey.
rock - | 460
13 Jun 2008 #359
Yes, if Europe is a ''Christain Club'' we will never be in it. Because this means Europe is still managed by religion. In that age it is really funny. And Europe has no future with this point of view.

In Turkey, some of the people trying the same thing. Make Turkey radical islamic. But you see they can't manage. Because in Turkey islamic approach is ; religion is meaningful between one person and God not between two person. But unfortunately Europeans like bratwurst boy is like radical islamics.

The problem is Europeans thinks Turks thinks like themselves about religion but it is wrong. There is a great difference between the Otooman Empire and Turkish Republic. İf you always look 300 years ago you can't see today.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,426
13 Jun 2008 #360
Alone the Turks in Germany make already many problems due the difference in the cultural heritage...only some very naive people would believe that wouldn't be the case in a much bigger form if the whole of Turkey would join the EU!


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