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What do Poles owe to Germans?


Spike31 2 | 884
15 Mar 2019 #211
reason in the same simplistic way?

Are you trying to hurt my feelings? :-)

Criticise me constructively not with argumentum ad hominem. And maybe teach me something in the process.

Leave behind something more than just emotionally charged comment.

Where does it lead? Next you're going to say that my mum is fat? ;-)

As a german i can tell you we give a ****.

I know, you just keep coming back to PolishForums to demonstrate how you don't care about Poles and Poland. I understand you completely.
Weimarer 3 | 183
15 Mar 2019 #212
Nope, i actually really give a **** about Poland. Im here to exchange private messages with a friemd who shares my opinion.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
15 Mar 2019 #213
Are you trying to hurt my feelings? :-)

No ,I am desperately trying to make you come to reason and use it if you have any. Why did you ignore the reviving post in which I precisely formulated again what the thread`s purpose is????

polishforums.com/history/poles-owe-germans-53954/7/#msg1680446

Im here to exchange private messages with a friemd who shares my opinion.

There are also emails and Skype, if you don`t know.
Spike31 2 | 884
15 Mar 2019 #214
No ,I am desperately trying to make you come to reason.

if you have any.

See, that second part was unnecessary. It weakens your argument (which was already based on desperation). If I was emotional person this would put me in a defensive mode and it would make me less responsive to the rest of your post. But we are all humans, you just couldn't resist :-)

Why did you ignore the reviving post in which I precisely formulated again what the thread`s purpose is?

The title of the thread should be self explanatory and shouldn't need any additional posts to clarify it. But I'm sure that by now you know that already.

So since you clarified it, my answer to your thread would be: potatoes :-)

Polish cuisine wouldn't be the same without potatoes. So yes, that would be the most important - if any - thing that we owe to Germans :-)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,790
15 Mar 2019 #215
Yeah....well....that doesn't count...we got it from the Spaniards who brought it back from South America before...

How about sausages?
Spike31 2 | 884
16 Mar 2019 #216
Yeah....well....that doesn't count

I made an effort to bridge the gap between our countries with a potato and I failed. But you can't say that I didn't try...
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
16 Mar 2019 #217
No, it was just stupid, even if you meant it as a joke. Yawn. But, your silly potatoes triggered some memories about German contribution. See how old masters do it and learn, young man:

Before and during dark times of communist martial law 1981 the food shortages became dramatic in Poland. My parents were happy when they bought a giant sack of potatoes and stored it in the basement, I helped them to transport it from the befriended farmer. I had other problems on mind then, so that sack and my parents` glee were like from outer space to me. I still can`t believe one could be able to enjoy such simple things in life.

Alarmed by the media and Solidarity activists, thousands of individual Germans, charity organisations and churches from West Germany sent millions of parcels with food, clothes, medicine to Poland. They were called solidarity parcels.

Thank you, Germans.

read about it here, only Polish sites:
dzieje.pl/historia-w-kinie/paczki-solidarnosci
dw.com/pl/darmowe-paczki-do-polski/a-15584010
gosc.pl/doc/1044242.Dziekujemy-wam-Niemcy







Spike31 2 | 884
16 Mar 2019 #218
How about sausages?

"Since the 14th century, Poland excelled in the production of sausages, thanks in part to the royal hunting excursions across virgin forests with game delivered as gifts to friendly noble families and religious hierarchy across the country.

With regard to varieties, early Italian, French and German influences played a role."

Yes, I can give you that but only when it comes to some types of speciality sausages.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage#History
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
16 Mar 2019 #219
"Since the 14th century, Poland excelled in the production of sausages,

Good you are defending Polish sausage against evil machinations. Now try to contribute sth according to the topic, but not tomatoes or other veg.
E.g., - have you ever heard of The Culinary Art Guide by Iskry ? In the bigos entry, they suggest it is a German name. Now, is it only the name or also the recipe which Poles received from Germans?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,790
16 Mar 2019 #220
Yes, I can give you that but only when it comes to some types of speciality sausages.

Thats all I ever wanted! :)

Interesting....I too remember faintly packing such parcels with my school class, it was an organized action after school and all classes did it...but I don't remember where they were send to....

There is even a movie about the West German help for Poles during that time:

dw.com/en/new-film-recalls-german-aid-during-polands-solidarity-uprising/a-15595396
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
16 Mar 2019 #221
it was an organized action after school and all classes did it...but I don't remember where they were send to....

Wasn`t POLEN written on the parcels?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,790
16 Mar 2019 #222
I too remember faintly packing such parcels with my school class, it was an organized action after school and all classes did it...

Mind you...I somewhat doubt that my East German overlords would waste their school kids time to send humanitarian aid in a roundabout way to support the Solidarity uprising in the "socialist brother country" Poland...I wonder where else the parcels were send to...

Wasn`t POLEN written on the parcels?

I don't remember! :(
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
16 Mar 2019 #223
.I somewhat doubt that my East German overlords would send humanitarian aid to support the Solidarity uprising in the "socialist brother country" Poland..

Of course not, rebellious Poland was number one suspicious element. But the parcels could have been prepared for communist Angola, constantly torn by civil war. I remember my younger sister had an exchange with an East German school at the time and she hosted a black African female student.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,790
16 Mar 2019 #224
But the parcels could have been prepared for communist Angola, constantly torn by civil war.

*nods*

Or Vietnam! They were always in need of some parcels. I remember THAT! :)
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
16 Mar 2019 #225
Hey, we also sent parcels to Vietnam, but earlier than you. :)
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
17 Mar 2019 #227
Never mind. Just cut down on the daily dose of lager and you`ll be fine. :)

Thats all I ever wanted! :)

Does it mean you are glued to the screen for hours to see a positive appraisal from a Polish nationalist? :)

In the bigos entry, they suggest it is a German name. Now, is it only the name or also the recipe which Poles received from Germans?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigos

The Polish word bigos is probably of German origin, but its exact etymology is disputed. According to the Polish loanword dictionary edited by Elżbieta Sobol, it may derive from German begossen, meaning "doused" or "basted".[5] Jerzy Bralczyk similarly derives the word from archaic German Beiguss, "sauce".[6] Aleksander Brückner has proposed German Bleiguss, "piece of lead",[7] as a possible source, referring to a tradition of divining from strangely shaped flakes of molten lead dropped into water. Maria Dembińska rejects this etymology as "doubtless erroneous", suggesting instead either archaic German becken, "to chop", or old German bîbôz (Beifuss in modern German), meaning "mugwort" (Artemisia vulgaris), a herb that was popular in medieval cuisine
Spike31 2 | 884
17 Mar 2019 #228
Now try to contribute sth according to the topic, but not tomatoes or other veg.

Why are you such a potato-fob? Why do you think that potatoes have less rights to play a vital part in reconciliation of our countries than, let's say, chopped and cooked cabbage?
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
17 Mar 2019 #229
Don`t make a fool of yourself in Ironside`s style. You matched each other in the basket of poppy seed. This thread is more useful than you imagine (I don`t dare to say think) as it allows one to learn sth about Poland. If you are not able to contribute valuable stuff, shut up and just read and learn, history isn`t your best asset as I saw in other threads.

Just come across an interesting article about times after Bolesław Chrobry`s, the first king of Poland, death. Polish lands were deprived of the ruler and completely ruined by foreign invasions. The author claims the events were even more disastrous than WW2.

Who offered help to a Polish prince who aspired to become a new king and restore the country? Yes, correct!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_I_the_Restorer

facet.onet.pl/najwieksza-katastrofa-w-dziejach-polski-nie-moze-sie-z-nia-rownac-nawet-druga-wojna/k8ge2y2

After initially escaping to Hungary, Casimir went to Germany, where in 1039 his relative the Emperor Henry III (who feared the increased power of the Bohemian ruler) gave him military and financial support. Casimir received a force of 1,000 heavy footmen and a significant amount of gold to restore his power in Poland. With this support, Casimir returned to Poland and managed to retake most of his domain. In 1041, Bretislaus signed a treaty at Regensburg (1042) in which he renounced his claims to all Polish lands except for Silesia. It was Casimir's success in strengthening royal power and ending internal strife that earned him the epithet of "the Restorer".
Ironside 48 | 9,825
17 Mar 2019 #230
Now, is it only the name or also the recipe which Poles received from Germans?

Geez what kind of Soviet ignoramus are you? Originally bigos was a mix of all kinds of meat cut finely into small pieces. . Only later evolved into a cabbage based meal it is now.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
17 Mar 2019 #231
Again, playing a fool because your reply is worthless as it explains nothing. Read it again and correct if you still have time.
Spike31 2 | 884
17 Mar 2019 #232
doubt that my East German overlords would waste their school kids time to send humanitarian aid in a roundabout way to support the Solidarity uprising

And you would be right. When Solidarity carnival started in Poland, DDR [East Germany] was the first to ask USSR military intervention in our country.

@pawian

You take criticism, or even just different opinions, very badly. And you don't dispute with facts but rather quickly jump to ad hominem arguments.

Those weaknesses will be exploited by your opponents.
Ironside 48 | 9,825
17 Mar 2019 #233
Again,

Is that even a question? Obviously not. It is idiotic topic in itself.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
17 Mar 2019 #234
Those weaknesses will be exploited by your opponents.

Not by you, you still have to learn a lot to exploit sth against me. :)

It is idiotic topic in itself.

Do you mean Meno`s Paradox? Don`t worry, we are not so philosophical in the forum, just a few guys exchanging a little knowledge. If you don`t like it, go to another thread.

Meno asks Socrates: "And how will you inquire into a thing when you are wholly ignorant of what it is? Even if you happen to bump right into it, how will you know it is the thing you didn't know?"[Socrates rephrases the question, which has come to be the canonical statement of the paradox: "[A] man cannot search either for what he knows or for what he does not know[.] He cannot search for what he knows--since he knows it, there is no need to search--nor for what he does not know, for he does not know what to look for."
Spike31 2 | 884
17 Mar 2019 #235
Not by you, you still have to learn a lot to exploit sth against me. :)

If I wanted to use it against you would I share it so openly on forum? I would rather encourage you to improve and to start producing quality content :-)

Quality over quantity.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
17 Mar 2019 #236
Yes, but can you apply it in practice yourself? Since you appeared in this thread, I have already contributed three cases of Polish German positive connections. You - one worthless joke. You are too small to be treated seriously.
Spike31 2 | 884
17 Mar 2019 #237
Lesson one: start thinking outside of the box.

This thread itself is one worthless attempt :-)
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
17 Mar 2019 #238
Ok, you have expressed your opinion. Now leave the thread. Your further presence here might be considered trolling and used against you.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
22 Mar 2019 #239
I just recalled Poland had two German kings. One of them was Augustus the Strong, the ruler of Saxony in 18th century.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_II_the_Strong

Unfortunately, his rule is considered negative as Poland`s position in Europe deteriorated steadily. But he contributed with sth which is still appreciated today - namely

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_White_Eagle_(Poland)

The Order of the White Eagle (Polish: Order Orła Białego) is Poland's highest order awarded to both civilians and the military for their merits. It was officially instituted on 1 November 1705 by Augustus II the Strong and bestowed on eight of his closest diplomatic and political supporters.[1] It is awarded to the most distinguished Poles and the highest-ranking representatives of foreign countries.
Tacitus 2 | 861
22 Mar 2019 #240
If it is any consolation, his rule is also considered to have negatively impacted Saxony. Because while Dresden owes many of its' most famous tourist attractions to him, he also wasted the wealth on Saxony on ultimately pointless and even harmful endeavours (e.g. bribing his way to becoming king of Poland, and starting the war against Sweden). Meanwhile Prussia continued to increase his power under its' competent and frugal kings, eventually annexing large parts of Saxony.


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