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What do Poles owe to Germans?


OP pawian 171 | 12,284
10 Sep 2019 #271
I hadn`t known it until you told me. :)
Thinking about it, I see your answer isn`t an asnwer either. Did you know about it? :):)
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
11 Sep 2019 #272
I simply meant that it's more than merely "unfair", it's downright, yea criminally, unjust!
Seems to me more a shakedown than a mandate.
OP pawian 171 | 12,284
11 Sep 2019 #273
it's downright, yea criminally, unjust!

No. If only governments were held responsible, do you imagine what mess we would have in international relations? So, communists took billions of loans. Who should pay them after the collapse of communism?
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
11 Sep 2019 #274
Who?? Those who were directly responsible for the theft, of course!
OP pawian 171 | 12,284
11 Sep 2019 #275
Can I use a quote from you?

Not an answer, and you know it.

hahaha
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
11 Sep 2019 #276
Whom else would you quote, pawian?

Look, can't see what the big mystery is. I steal your wallet and then YOU are expected to compensate ME for YOUR theft??!
Think man!

Typo.
"I steal you wallet and then YOU'RE expected to compensate me for MY theft?"
OP pawian 171 | 12,284
11 Sep 2019 #277
How about this:
US government lends a lot of money to another country. There is a coup de etat and their government is overthrown. The old guys have been executed. The new guys in power say the US can kiss the loan goodbye. . Will you be happy about it as an American tax payer?
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
11 Sep 2019 #278
'Course not.

It's stuff like this that gives coups a bad name!
OP pawian 171 | 12,284
11 Sep 2019 #279
This means that if the US authorities demand the payment of the debt from a country despite its government, communist countries had to repay their debts even after the collapse of communism. Isn`t it obvious? :):)
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
11 Sep 2019 #280
Sure. The Commies got duped twice, once by their own leaders, the second time by the new regime!
Either way, they got screwed big time. Obvious? It's as plain as the nose on your face.
OP pawian 171 | 12,284
23 Feb 2020 #281
I checked the whole thread and this topic hasn`t been mentioned yet.

Poland received a lot of Leopard tanks from German Army, practically for free.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2#Current_operators

The Polish Land Forces operate 142 Leopard 2A4s, 105 Leopard 2A5s and two Fahrschulpanzer Leopard 2 (turretless driver training vehicle) locally known as Leopard 2 NJ. All Polish Leopard 2 tanks come from German Army stocks.
Weimarer 10 | 620
23 Feb 2020 #282
@pawian

Poland also has most of its fighter jets from Germany
Torq 32 | 2,999
23 Feb 2020 #283
You mean the old Mig-29? We got about 20 of them from Germany, but they are being withdrawn from the service. The main fighter we have now is F-16 (48 of them), and of course - as you well know - we are currently waiting for the brand-new, cutting-edge, merciless-killing-machines F-35. :)
OP pawian 171 | 12,284
23 Feb 2020 #284
Poland also has most of its fighter jets from Germany

If you mean MiG-29s, 22 planes in 2003, they never made "most" in Polish air force. :) I didn`t mention them because they were already obsolete at the time and in poor technical condition. Germans simply got rid of them for free, so it wasn`t anything to be grateful for.

While Leopards were in good condition and the German Army could still use them. I know today`s opinions about those gift Leopards - some German military experts regret that their army was so generous for Poland.
Weimarer 10 | 620
23 Feb 2020 #285
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You should keep the old Mig-s9 in storage. If you ever have a war against an industrial nation, the F-35 is useless. It can only be used against countreis without radar and airforce, like Syria.

I had to laugh about merciless killing machines though. Funny branding for teh slowest fighter jet on the market that has only one engine and is not capable for suepr sonic flight. :D


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