Why Poland is not Russia

Wishful thinking. That is what Russian aim is in regard to Poland. Germany would like it too.

Andréy Yanuár'yevich Vyshínskiy (Russian: Андре́й Януа́рьевич Выши́нский; Polish: Andrzej Wyszyński) (10 December [O.S. 28 November] 1883 - 22 November 1954) was a Soviet politician, jurist and diplomat. He is known as a state prosecutor of Joseph Stalin's Moscow Trials. Vyshinsky was born in Odessa into a Polish Catholic family.

In 1936, Vyshinsky achieved international infamy as the prosecutor at the Zinoviev-Kamenev trial (this trial had nine other defendants), the first of the Moscow Trials during the Great Purge, lashing its defenseless victims with vituperative rhetoric:[25]

Shoot these rabid dogs. Death to this gang who hide their ferocious teeth, their eagle claws, from the people! Down with that vulture Trotsky, from whose mouth a bloody venom drips, putrefying the great ideals of Marxism! ... Down with these abject animals! Let's put an end once and for all to these miserable hybrids of foxes and pigs, these stinking corpses! Let's exterminate the mad dogs of capitalism, who want to tear to pieces the flower of our new Soviet nation! Let's push the bestial hatred they bear our leaders back down their own throats!

He often punctuated speeches with phrases like "Dogs of the Fascist bourgeoisie", "mad dogs of Trotskyism", "dregs of society", "decayed people", "terrorist thugs and degenerates", and "accursed vermin".[26] This dehumanization aided in what historian Arkady Vaksberg calls "a hitherto unknown type of trial where there was not the slightest need for evidence: what evidence did you need when you were dealing with 'stinking carrion' and 'mad dogs'?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vyshinsky#Early_life

That makes him Russian.

But Odessa is in Ukraine... Or you believe it should be part of Russia?

Are you being deliberately awkward?

Wasn't Ukraine part of the Russian Empire when he was born?

Warsaw was part of R. Empire as well. Does it mean everyone was Russian there?

They were citizens of Russia at that time.

Everybody needs somebody to hate and blame. Being on EU welfare, Poles switched geographical orientation. Even when they crash a plane, it's Putins' fault.


Hey, Vlad, you should use "Polish collaborators" more often in your posts. This drives them nuts.

Entire country doesn't bare responsibility for those who did their personal choice.

That applies to Russia, too. I am just suggesting how to get even with them when they generalize.

Of course not, darling. We openly admit to Polish renegades who turned to communism. That is pure history. Check the exchange about Dzierżyński above.


It is impossible, darling. Soviet crimes in Poland are so appalling that they exclude any excuses or looking for symmetry. Simple.

One way to solve this problem would be to grant all Ukrainians with German citizenship. I think it would be justfull after what happened in WWII. Many Ukrainians even collaborated or worked in Germany. But when it comes to this Germany quickly forgets, that Ukraine is a Russian "semi-colony"...

On the same appalling scale, place Soviets and Germany. Numbers, not adjectives or essays. As a reference, assume Germany = 100.

Vlad, do you realize that you sound like another Pole? There is no such thing as "just" and "forgets". Those are human traits. Countries and their ruling classes are not humans with feelings. The only currency they understand is power - money and tanks. See: Putin.

You want justice? Sue. Anything else, including history lessons, is a waste of time.

Do they really have any objective reasons to be enemies? Why?

Vlad,
History will answer your question.

I don't see any objective reasons for Poland and Russia to be an enemies at present.

Vladimir Dmitriyevich Bonch-Bruyevich in Polish Boncz-Brujewicz; 28 June [O.S. 16 June] 1873 - 14 July 1955) was a Soviet politician, revolutionary, historian, writer and Old Bolshevik. He was Vladimir Lenin's personal secretary. Vladimir Dmitriyevich Bonch-Bruyevich was born in Moscow to a land surveyor family who came from the Mogilev province and belonged to the nobility of the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Bonch-Bruyevich took an active part in nationalization of the banks in preparation of the Soviet government moving to Moscow in March 1918. In 1918 as Managing Director of the Council of the People's Commissars, he endorsed setting in motion the Red Terror.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Bonch-Bruyevich

Russia is a militarily aggressive expansionist state (and a majority of citizens would like to reconstruct their colonial empire).

Poland is none of those things...

Russians barely understand western ideas like the value of human life or the rights of the individual against the state or the rule of law (and many who do are flat out against them).

Poland has aspired to western values for centuries (achieving them is not a straightforward easy process but that's the goal).

Russia dreams of recreating the past.

Poland dreams of a better future.

How can such opposing ideas not come into conflict?

Of course we have to be enemies and it probably won`t change for a long time. The reason is simple - Russia is sick - it suffers from its traditional imperialism. Always has. It is like universe - has to expand all the time. If Russia doesn`t expand, it will lose its energy and fall prey to internal forces which will look for independence, blowing up Russia as a uniform state for ever.

Russia doesn`t view the countries of Eastern and Central Europe as independent entities. The Kremlin views them as potential objects of Russian imperialism.

Poles don`t want to live in Russian ruled world - only renegades from far right parties have nothing against it. Hence, we have a clash of interest which is insurmountable. Russians will always try to bring Poland back under their influence, Poles will do their best to thwart those attempts.

The only opportunity for an agreement and understanding is when Russians drop their imperialism. There are decent Russians like that but they are huge minority. Another chance for change is when the current beligerent Kremlin leaders are replaced by mild politicians, prone to cooperate with the West against Russia`s biggest opponent - China. Stupid Putin doesn`t realise that NATO and the EU aren`t real threat - while China is..

Probably only by small blood and small losses... And far not all of it. Maybe only Belarus and Eastern Ukraine.

I think majority of Russians would regect proposal unite any non-Slavic country to Russia even if this country itself will do such proposal. Even a former USSR republic like Kazakstan. But they regard Belarussians and Eastern Ukrainians as a parts of a greater Russian nation.

Man, did they expand after 1989! You are a genius.




...a mind reader and a medical doctor. A truly universal man.


Call him. He may even put you on his payroll.
BTW, you missed "a" in front "real".


Hey, genius, how are you doing with those "appalling" numbers I asked for earlier? Farting out meaningless words is easier, isn't it?

Cut down on your quotes please

I don't feel like they are trying to do it in the last 33 years. Doubtfull... Poland is quite large and do not even border Russia, save Kaliningrad anclave.

You should figure out by now that you and your feelings are no match against a genius who can predict the future and knows what Putin is thinking.

A real Nostradamus plus a mind reader in one...

I will be glad if at least one country in the world raises these values to absolute.

"...ideas like the value of human life or the rights of the individual against the state..."
Excluding or including abortions?

Yes, darling, I am, compared to you. :):):)
How? You are ignorant of history and the development of Russian imperialism. It experienced times of weakness and certain setbacks throughout its history but sooner or later it got on the imperial track again. We can observe it now, too - the latest setback was the disintegration of the Soviet Union, and when they recovered, they proceeded to imperial expansion in:

Chechnya 1990s
Georgia 2008
Crimea 2014
Donbas area 2014

Now Russia, thanks to its mad leaders, is in full imperial expansionist mode and only brute force can stop it - mild diplomacy can`t.

What is the total area of all these areas combined? And what % of total Russian area is it? An EMIREAL EXPANSION?

@Vlad1234, what does it matter how big the area is? It shows what Russia is capable of - that's the point.

The area doesn`t matter, let`s consider those latest conquests a warm up. What matters is the fact that after the period of Wielikaya Smuta - Time of Troubles - in early 1990s, Russia has regained strength and is trying to bring old dependencies back under its imperial control. If they swallow Ukraine, the Baltics will be next.


Exactly. :)

You do realize that abortion on demand was the only birth control available in the Soviet Union, don't you?

Do you have any idea how many abortions Soviet women had? (hint: a lot more than American women)


Poland is very used to the absolute worst side of the Russian state and no-nothings like vlad don't understand why Poland doesn't want to suck Putin's socks....

honestly....