Poland - problem for Germany? (historically continual hostility of German state on Poland)

Now, this could be tied in with rychlik's 'chip' thread. It's all part of the same thing really. I propose a merging.

If history tends to repeat itself, like the saying goes, then of course Germans will pose a problem for Poland (they're already ******** about shale gas). This is why Poland needs the USA. Just like west Germany needed the USA after WW2 to help it get back on its feet. But don't forget that Poland used to have one of the largest kingdoms in Europe. Poland will not have another kingdom, but if history repeats itself, then Poland will become a major player in Europe once more. And around the corner will be the scary Germans, desperate for attention.

Tusk has a good relationship with Merkel so I don't foresee significant problems.

They are sleeping together.

Some remarks here are so far away from todays European reality, it's hillarious. Looks like some people live in a time warp and can't get out, lol.

Reality? Reality is relative thing. First serious economic crisis in Germany and we would all face ugly reality

But, what intrigues me- in case that Slavic world strengthen and so called west weaken in the same time, is it possible attract Germany to re-join with the Slavic world? After all, Germans are nothing but germanized Slavs

Merged:

Honestly...whats Polands problem with Germany?

Greetings,

my name is Erik, i´m 24 years old and from Weimar / Thüringen.

I never was in Poland and know no people there. But what i see is a country that acts mostly angry against us in a really weird way.

Best example right now is the Northstream 2 pipeline. Thats pipeline is in german interest and will be build, no matter what. It allows direct acess to russian gas for german customers and drops gas prices for german customers by 40%.

Poland argues it creates dependency on Russia. Thats not true. It just gives Germany the opportunity to more russian gas. We can swith to LNG whenever we please. Its an additional option for us.

Poland itself gets most of its gas from Russia. We see that Poland wants transition money for gas but honestly nobody in Germany wants buy gas to pay transition money to Poland. So for Poland Gas send from Russia to Germany is bad. Gas send from Russia to Germany via Poland is good?

It appears some people in Poland think their interests means evrything and German interests mean nothing.

The german workers are not willing to pay 45% more for energy to please people who are not friends anyways.

Another thing is that "reperation rubbish" brought up again and again.

Its very clear, that Germany will never pay a single additional cent. The war debate is long over. I wonder if polish decission makers realize what tehy trigger with such debates? The basicly support the far right in Germany who demand counter demands, like reparations for Silesia.

My own grandmother comes from a city in Silesia which was called Kuhnersdorf and was near Breslau. She knows where her families house was.

We too can sue for compensation.

I believe both countries should sit together and stop such rubbish demands and get real with each other.

Honestly there is no big problem with Germany at all , Just a few differing points of view , nothing that we can't sensibly sort out between us ,it will just take a bit of understanding.

Please. The Poles I work with and employ would string you up for saying there is no big problem. Its GERMANY for Christ sake. Every person with Polish blood should take issue with any German who does not visit a death camp and understand what happened. History can not be ignored.

@PolAmKrakow
We live in 2019. Im 24 years old. Whats your problem with me?

I tell you something, for me WWII has zero to do with me. Im a young man. I allow nobody to hang WWII around my neck to hold me down. If you believe i feel any guilt or remorse for things that happened long before, then you are wrong.

What else you want? That we Germans hate sweden for the 30 years war? Or France for Napoleon?

Stop to act like the eternal victim. It appears incredible weak.

I kindly suggest you either change the people you employ, or don't encourage their childish prejudices then, by talking at work about the (supposed) defeat of facism 75 years ago then. Problem solved!

are apparently a bunch of dopes who don't realize WWII has been over for over 70 years.... yes it was terrible but harping on about 'never forgetting' also makes it impossible to make realistic plans for the future

As for string me up , you could try others have and failed, I am the son of a soldier of the polish II corps I can deal with business.

Now I will tell you something (armchair general) the war is over as my father taught me, my generation has the hardest job to make the peace.

My father went up casino hill that morning half his comrades never survived , His words to me were to build on the peace after WWI, the Germans have atoned to their crimes, the nazis are all dead, the new generation in Germany carry no individual responsibility for the war.

It's shites like you that wish to demean every new generation of Germans and make them do the walk of shame for crimes they never committed , well I say stuff you and If you have a problem with that come visit dolno and get some.

I kindly suggest you either change the people you employ, or don't encourage their childish prejudices then, by talking at work about the (supposed) defeat of facism 75 years ago then. Problem solved!


Don't worry about him - he is one of the keyboard warriors here (The reason is in the name "PolAM - as in - he contributed nothing to his supposed motherland - and knows nothing about actual history apart from what his grandad has poisoned him with, probably.)


Good lad!

*hugs Dolno*

Still sorry for your losses (totally voluntarily)!

Who told you that? your journalist? Ask them what is their problem with Poland? So far it is Germany that butt in into internal Polish affairs.


It is not in Poland's interests. so F off!

sure, go and sue your mama.

We could drink plenty of beers on this subject we could talk about the impossible reparations after WWI , how one mad man could control many (Nothing new Genghis khan) , but whats really important that people like polankrakow who have no clue are shot at dawn.

We build the pipeline. 1/3 is already done. Each day 3km added.

German energy politics are decided in Germany. Poland is free to decide its own energy politics but has no say in ours.

So yes, we do **** off, busy to build that pipeline.

I think both countries should stop to try influence the other. Evry polish intervention regarding us creates more and more hate here. And i assume our interventions cause same there. So best would be, both care for their own **** and dont put their nose in other business.

Poland can install courts all it wants. Their country. We can make pipelines we want. Our country.

You should know that the pipeline is now very controversial in Germany too. There is no "us", it's mainly Merkel.

The number of german politicians who speak out openly against it is rising.

And yes, it's also a question of solidarity. It's nuts to ask Poland and other to help us out with the refugees and otherwise showing them the finger when its about our interests only and totally disregarding theirs. That's undermining every kind of good will inside the EU.

if it going to block lager ships off the Polish port you might found yourself to regret it. It very costly to repair such an underwater pipe.

Just think of what we could achieve if put aside differences compromise and work together.

I can see you and I want this, just a matter of getting our politicians onto the same page.

What is the alternative?

Hey...it is already better than anything in our common history! We don't shoot at each other and nobody is invading anybody. We are members of the same unions. We can visit each other, and are able to live and work in the other country when we want to.

That has to count for something, right? :)

For the rest, we will muddle through and hoping for the best as always....

I vote AfD. I dont need the EU and see the EU as stone around our neck.

The pipeline is in german interest. What some Soros funded leeches think is irrelevant.

I also dont want Poland to take migrants. I want blocked borders and mass deportations.

I'm sure Germany and Poland can work hand in hand to solve our migrant problem when our solution is mass deportation.

Yeah well...I disagree.

But you will surely find much support on this forum from other poster...

Absolutely.

@Ironside

Doubtful. Its quite deep on the sea floor and covered with soil. Its absolute safe.

So you like the pipeline and support Putin , did you sniff soviet gas as a child?

Good for you if that is the case.

@dolnoslask

I like cheap energy prices.

Im a police apprentice, my income is not super high. I prefer to spend my money on my car, my fitness training and holidays. Not on heating my apartment.

Btw hard to sniff soviet gas, when soviet union did not even exist anymore when i was born.

That pipeline offers tje cheapest energy price for german customers. You are free to find a more cheap scource. But dont expect us to,pay more to make others happy.

Fair enough you obviously have your priorities, I guess your border is no longer on the front line.

Remember Poland is firmly shoulder to shoulder with Germany on the internationally agreed sanctions against Russia.