Poland - problem for Germany? (historically continual hostility of German state on Poland)

What new economic order?

Without the EU Germany would still be the most powerful economy...only maybe then allied with Russia and it's huge market/army...would that be better for Poland???

Im a proud German, i have no european identity. Until 2015 i saw EU as positive. Thats over for me, i want see it die and i love its current state. Its visible that it breaks at evry corner.

The EU betrayed Germany in 2015. I realized we stand alone. Our elites betrayed us as well. And now i see it as right thing to destroy what they care for.

Thats what i deeply believe in.

Actually, this is neither 'American' nor original at all. It was first said by that pathetic clown, King Louis XV of France: Après moi, le déluge!


Putin practiced his German a lot while he was staying in the DDR as a 'friendly' visitor and part of the Russian occupying force ...


I totally agree. If nationalists come to grips once again, it may end as it did one day in the year 1945 in Berlin, namely that one of them finally shots himself in his stupid head, but leaving half of Europe in ruin behind him first.

Not Germany this time...we learnt our lesson...that's why there won't be any Gerexit ever!

I want the EU dead and nothing will change that. The EU is important for those traitors. They tried to destroy Germany, now we take revenge. And seeing the state of the EU, looks like we are very sucessful.

Well, that's Poland screwed then.

Oh, well - I give up then. Let's destroy the EU, let America build walls around it and start a long period of "splendid isolation", and last but not the least let Russia regain their imperial power.

We are Slavs - their race brethren - so we will be enslaved but spared (hopefully!). Not so sure about your beloved Germany though. *rolls eyes, sighs deeply and logs out*

Yes,and all the more forward looking nations.
The sclerotic EU is not moving with the times and is being left behind.

Hahahaha. Poland is incredibly protectionist in quite a few areas.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/maturalny-przekret-jak-budzet-panstwa-tracil-miliony-na-drukowaniu-egzaminow-przez/tkd3mnt - this wouldn't happen in France.


New economic order in Europe means Germany and France with their highly integrated economy telling Poland what to do and what not to do. Poland would have no choice but to comply, because those two would no longer be bound by common EU rules, meaning they could quite easily demand considerable concessions from Poland.

Nationalist fantasies where Poland is somehow an economic super power despite having a pretty crappy tech sector (no, outsourcing doesn't count), barely any raw materials and a heavy reliance on imported energy are just that, fantasies.

I think you need to take France out of that equation.
Germany is strong and will survive almost anything.
France is weak and with so many crises tearing it apart.
Don't bank on France.

please focus on the topic, everyone

"I'm a proud German." says Weimarer

Pride goeth before the fall, don't forget:-) says Markus

Good, I'm rooting for you there.


Why are you so clueless? What the EU has to do with America?

Yeah, what does the EU have to do with your hate towards America ?


So why is that you would want such a thing W ?
Is the E.U. such a threat to Germany ?
Germany is the one who destroyed the E.U. with your immigrant blunder.
Could you expand on your hostility as it seems to be directed toward Poland and the U.S.A.


Any history book will tell you just the opposite W.
It was Germany that tried to destroy Europe with a hostile take over so why all your hate towards it, especially your bullying Poland ?
Is this why you are so hell bent that Poland will be getting those F-35's to defend themselves ?

@johnny reb
Defend themself with F-35? Good joke. I like your Humor.

@W
Do you really think if Germany attacked Poland or were to attack any country in the world that they would actually come out on top ?

I like your humor.
Oh, and you have still evaded my questions.

Always interesting how nationalists confirm the worst impression of each other.

@johnny reb
We came out on top pretty good when we made Greece our colony in 2015.

Ha, ha - that was a bit harsh, Spike... but funny nonetheless. :D

you should just stop there and it's funny enough... the rest was overkill...

@Spike31

There are no friends in diplomacy. Just interests. You propably have to learn that. Germany needs no friends in europe. In worst case we stamd alone anyways. Its important to balance our interests.

For Germany its important to have good relations with France. Poland is irrelevant, so is Greece and other *********. Russia is important as trade partner.

As I say - good luck.


Hey, so why have you been talking about friendship in a different post of yours? Spike actually give it a serious consideration.
I'm already your friend I'm telling you the truth.

@Ironside
You have no clue how nations interact. There are no friends, just interests

The English, no matter what we may or may not think of them, have a saying:

"England has no permanent friends or enemies, the only permanent thing are English interests."

I never claimed otherwise. I however am not a nation by an individual. I'm only asking why in a different thread you were talking in terms of friendships while you know there are no friends just interests.

Well, all I can say is that I'm hoping that people who think like you would rule Germany one day and dissipate all the soft political power that Germany still possess to create more room for us to grow.

As a side note: Poland is more than twice as big trading partner of Germany than Russia. And also Poland+Czech+Hungary is by far the bigger trade partner for Germany than France, or China or the US. Shows how much you really know

worldstopexports.com/germanys-top-import-partners/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_Germany

@Spike31
People can have friends, nations dont

So now you know why Poland and Germany won't be friends in the foreseeable future.

Poland has the United States of America as a trade partner which makes Poland VERY RELEVENT to Germany.
Germany is just a puppet trade partner for Russia to help finance Russia's military from the gas they sell to Germany.
No wonder Trump refused to shake Merkel's hand.
As an American I never understood why hostile Germany wasn't on Polands Christmas Card list but after reading this entire thread I now understand why.


Because one is a Russian troll and the other a German troll who hate Poland and the United States and are only here to post their passive aggressive propaganda.

I sense these a-holes brought you to the end of your rope.