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Do Poles really blame Britain for Poland becoming Communist after the war?


retroDog
21 Oct 2011 #61
As for tax thing:
I'm under impression that thay repaid this tax in blood and deaths of comrades, because, as it turned out, they weren't fighting for independence of Poland, as they never were let to set their feet on polish soil, but tgey were fighting for freedom (and welth) of Western countries.
magpie 6 | 133
21 Oct 2011 #62
Poland does not blame anyone.

HeHey!! See, I know you'd come back Michael!
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #63
Poles formed the fourth-largest armed force after the Soviets, the Americans and the combined troops of British Empire.

I would imagine that there are a few million Chinese who might have something to say about that. And a million plus Yugoslavs. And more than a million Canadians. And three quarters of a million Aussies. And half a million French (there were more than a million Canadians in their armed forces, 724,000 Aussie troops and 550,000 French troops at the end of the war and only 428,000 Polish). And But for some reason members of those nations don't see the need to lie about what they did during the war.

303 Polish Squadron was the highest-scoring RAF unit in Battle of Britain.

No: it was the highest claiming. Its pilots had the habit of claiming to have shot down more planes than they actually did, as demonstrated by the day they claimed to have shot down more German planes than the entire allied airforces managed in reality.
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #64
You are an ultimate liar and you are quite aware of it .
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #65
Interesting that you should claim that, Moania. I provide data which back up what I say, you provide only insults.
THE HITMAN - | 236
21 Oct 2011 #66
I provide data which back up what I say

some Polish ex-servicemen are still living at the expense of the British taxpayer, where they have lived since they left the Polish armed forces

Back up this comment. Where is the truth/proof ?

Complete rubbish.
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #67
Back up this comment. Where is the truth/proof ?

Very happy to do that, give me ten minutes to check my sources.

Here we go: Ilford Park Polish Home

This purpose-built home was formally opened after a major re-build on the 16th December, 1992.
It provides residential and nursing care to people who qualify for admission under the 1947 Polish Resettlement Act.

Ilford Park is situated at Stover, near Newton Abbot in Devon, on the borders of the Dartmoor National Park.

Ilford Park is administered by the Service Personnel and Veterans Agency an Executive Agency of the Ministry of Defence.

The professionally trained staff at Ilford Park offer a caring environment with an emphasis on Polish
Culture to fulfil both group and individual needs.

veterans-uk.info/welfare/ipph.html

The recent influx of Poles to Britain is not the first - after the World War II thousands fled communist rule to seek sanctuary in the UK. Some ended up at a remote resettlement camp in Devon and never left.
...
Today, the original inhabitants have moved to a purpose-built care home on the 41-acre site (opened in 1992 and run by the Ministry of Defence), while around them the prefab buildings of the original camp lie decaying, signs warning possible trespassers of asbestos.
...
Most at the home are aware its days are numbered. Only Polish WWII veterans and their spouses are entitled to stay, and they are gradually dying out.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7622866.stm

Complete rubbish.

You can apologise for that comment any time you want.
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #68
We, Poles, are proud to have such brave soldiers, who were fighting all over the world bringing freedom .


PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #69
Are you proud of the +100,000 Poles who fought in the Nazi army and the +200,000 Poles who fought in the Red Army? Were they bringing freedom to the world?
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #70
Very happy to do that, give me ten minutes to check my sources.

What sources you are giving , edit , about nursing homes for polish war weterans ?
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #71
A link to the website of the British government agency which runs the 'camp' where some Polish ex-servicemen are still living at the expense of the British taxpayer, where they have lived since they left the Polish armed forces and a link to a BBC article about that camp. I was challenged to provide sources to support my statement of fact and I did so. Perhaps you can provide some sources to support your claims? Oh, sorry, I forgot that your claims are actually lies.
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #72
Are you proud of the +100,000 Poles who fought in the Nazi army and the +200,000 Poles who fought in the Red Army? Were they bringing freedom to the world?

How do you dare to say that . You should be expelled from this forum immediately , you have just slandered millions of Polish people and the Polish Nation . Mods why do you keep this pest on Polish Forum ?
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #73
How do you dare to say that .

Largely because it is a 100% accurate historical fact.
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #74
Here is a link about Polish soldiers fighting for freedom during WWII campaigns all over the world .

ww2.pl/World,War,II,2.html
JonnyM 11 | 2,611
21 Oct 2011 #75
you have just slandered millions of Polish people

100,000 plus 200,000 don't equal 'millions'. Really Polonmeds/Moania, you'll have to go back to school.

And yes, it is sad but true.
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #76
Here is a link about Polish soldiers fighting for freedom during WWII campaigns all over the world .

Well done. Now here is a link about the 375,000 Poles who fought in the Nazi army: wehrmacht-polacy.pl/wcielenia_w_liczbach.html
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #77
PWEI , aka Harry , vel Davidson , attorney , whoever you are :

memorise that 2 millions of Polish troops were participating during WWII campaigns:

Poland was the only country to fight in the European theatre of war from the first to the last day of the greatest armed conflict in the history of mankind.

The war began with invading Poland: first, on September 1, 1939, by the Nazi Germany, soon after, on September 17, by the Soviet Union. Both invaders acted in concert, upon the Ribbentrop - Molotov Treaty (concluded on August 23). The allies of Poland - Great Britain and France - declared war upon Germany on September 3rd, but did not undertake any efficient military actions (the so-called "Phony War"). The Soviet Union joined the anti-Nazi alliance only in the summer of 1941, when invaded by Germany. The United States, although they gave a lot of significant material aid, joined the military actions in December 1941 when assaulted by Japan and when Germany declared war upon them.

The most important features of the Polish contribution to the defeat of Germany are determination and perseverance. Despite the severe defeat in 1939, the Poles formed five more armies, including four in exile: in France in 1939, in the United Kingdom in the summer of 1940 (after the defeat and capitulation of France), and twice in the USSR in 1941. These were the army of Gen. Anders that fought later in the South of Europe, and the one that emerged in 1943 and later fought at the Red Army's side.

The fifth Polish army, created at the end of September of 1939 was the conspiratorial armed force in the occupied territory. For the entire period of the war there also existed the very important "silent front" - the intelligence.

Probably up to 2 millions Poles served since September 1st, 1939 to May 8th, 1945 in all the Polish military formations - regular armies, partisan troops and underground forces.

In the final stage of war the Polish troops on all the European fronts amounted to some 600 000 soldiers (infantry, armored troops, aircraft and navy).

In the summer of 1944, while commencing regular military struggle against the retreating Germans, the armed underground numbered more than 300 thousands sworn soldiers.

It can be concluded that Poland put in the field the fourth greatest Allied army.

Buy some books about the subject ! then you may say something .

ww2.pl/Polish,Military,Effort,during,Second,World,War,21.html
JonnyM 11 | 2,611
21 Oct 2011 #78
PWEI , aka Harry , vel Davidson , attorney , whoever you are :

Now that's just paranoia!

I suggest you have a look at the link that is cited. It isn't pretty reading, but it is true.

Remember, the existence of Poles in (say) the Armia Krajowa doesn't rule out the existence of Poles in (say) the Armia Ludowa.
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #79
Probably up to 2 millions Poles served since September 1st, 1939 to May 8th, 1945 in all the Polish military formations - regular armies, partisan troops and underground forces.

Thanks for the laugh! Perhaps you could give some breakdown of that supposed two million?

As for the site which you appear to think is the source to end all sources:
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
21 Oct 2011 #80
Are you proud of the +100,000 Poles who fought in the Nazi army and the +200,000 Poles who fought in the Red Army?

Such even numbers; amazing.
Anyway, it's been more than covered in these forums in other threads that the vast majority of these so-called Polish citizens were considered to have some German extraction, the so-called "Volksdeutsche". Others were members of not-quite-Polish minorities. That fundamental aspect is intentionally ignored by some with an anti-Polish agenda.

As to Poles serving in the Soviet army, not many had a choice; it was either imprisonment which meant certain death or taking up arms against the Germans. At least the latter had the hopeful prospect of freeing the homeland.

Invest in General Anders book, "An Army in Exile" which explains much to those like you who seem to have some insecurity issues.

Its pilots had the habit of claiming to have shot down more planes than they actually did, as demonstrated by the day they claimed to have shot down more German planes than the entire allied airforces managed in reality.

During the war; people in Britain were more than grateful for the exceptional skill the Polish pilots showed and indeed, the certifiable kills by these pilots became legendary. In fact, they were considered "The Glamor Boys of England" by some accounts.

You might want to pick up a copy of "A Question of Honor" by two non-Polish authors; Lynne Olson and Stanley Cloud. If you have already read the book and still deny the facts then you don't you have a heart; but you also don't have a brain, at least not a logical one.
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #81
Largely because it is a 100% accurate historical fact.

You are a compulsory liar as well as chauvinistic troll . Giving such lies as historical facts entitles you to be called Anti Polish scum.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
21 Oct 2011 #82
Harry, in a previous thread, I've already quoted General Anders comments about the 'invitation'. You got busted then and I don't have the inclination to spank you again, although you deserve it. I don't call people names but with you I'll make an exception. Stop being such a loser!
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #83
Anyway, it's been more than covered in these forums in other threads that the vast majority of these so-called Polish citizens were considered to have some German extraction, the so-called "Volksdeutsche".

The standard excuse, but one which overlooks that fact the vast majority of the supposed non-Poles were in reality Polish enough to join the Polish army after they were captured by the western allies (89,300 out of 104,000 total captured).

I have indeed picked it up: I read the bit where it claims that all Poles who fought under western command were excluded from the London Victory parade by the British government for fear of offending Stalin. Then I put it down and picked up a history book instead of a semi-fictional book.

the certifiable kills by these pilots became legendary.

Like the day they claimed to have shot down more planes than the entire allied airforce actually managed.

I've already quoted General Anders comments about the 'invitation'.

You mean the bit where he confirms that Poles were invited but refused to go?

You got busted then

Really? I said that both western and eastern command Poles were invited and both groups refused. Do feel very welcome to quote the posts in which I was "busted". Or just carry on lying about it.

Stop being such a loser!

Stop being a liar.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,369
21 Oct 2011 #84
You are a compulsory liar as well as chauvinistic troll . Giving such lies as historical facts entitles you to be called Anti Polish scum.

please send me a PM when u wish to post something constructive. then i'll take the time to alert the media.

in other words: stop going over old ground.

if anyone makes another comment about the victory parade they will find themselves suspended.

we've done it all before.

magpie 6 | 133
21 Oct 2011 #85
Why is there an Acid house smiley on one of their banners?



polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #86
Thanks for the laugh! Perhaps you could give some breakdown of that supposed two million?

All is written here : ww2.pl/?

Are you questioning such Polish government authorities as :

1944.pl
cbw.pl
ipn.gov.pl

who participated in creating this website ?
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #87
Are you questioning such Polish government authorities as :

I am pointing out that that website has very clear errors on it.

All is written here

Fine, from your recommended source:

When the war in Europe was coming to an end, the Polish troops fighting at the side of the Western Allies numbered more than 210 thousand soldiers

ww2.pl/Land,battles,1941-1945,140.html

at the end of the war it [Polish army in the east] amounted to more than 330 thousand soldiers formed in two armies

ww2.pl/Polish,Army,on,the,Eastern,Front,24.html

It is estimated that until July, 1944 about 34 thousand soldiers of the Home Army and subordinate units were killed- some in combat but mostly they were executed or tortured to death in prisons - more or less 10% of the ranks.

ww2.pl/The,underground,home,army,25.html

210,000 plus 330,000 plus 340,000 equals 880,000: less than half the two million you are claiming. Even the source you provide shows you are a liar!
Wroclaw 44 | 5,369
21 Oct 2011 #88
I really am just curious as to what course of action people think Britain could have taken to save Poland from being Communist.

this ^ is the point of the thread.
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #89
I really am just curious as to what course of action people think Britain could have taken to save Poland from being Communist.

this ^ is the point of the thread.

Hint taken. Sorry for making you repeat yourself.
isthatu2 4 | 2,694
21 Oct 2011 #90
All these numbers being touted are a silly waste of time.
Simple break down of actual fighting forces paints an entirely different picture.
NW Europe =One Armoured Division( 16,000 men) and for 1 week of fighting part of an Airborne brigade.
Italy,=Two Infantry Divisions and One Armoured Brigade ( approx 50,000 men).

Thats it.
The rest were what was termed in the Napoleonic era, Camp Followers.

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