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WWII - Battle of Britain and Poles


Del boy 20 | 255
14 Jul 2008  #1
Back again and again to WWII. Dont they deserve memory?


Franek 8 | 271
14 Jul 2008  #2
The role of Poland in World War Two is often misunderstood and under appreciated. The myth that the Poles were easily and quickly knocked out of the war is just that - a myth. Poland had the fourth largest army combating the Germans, the most highly decorated navy, the largest, and most effective, resistance organization, and made numerous other great contributions.

It was Poland responsible for the cracking of the German code, and the subsequent smuggling of an Enigma machine to Britain. This enabled the Allies to decode and read German messages, one of the greatest intelligence coups of all time, and one of the most important contributions of the war. Were it not for Poland, the war, at best, would have lasted longer, and at worst, would have ended in a German victory.
noimmigration
14 Jul 2008  #3
actually the cracking of the enigma code was a joint venture with british, france, america and as you say poland. The polish only cracked one version of the enigma code. The polish army was completely annihalated by the german war machine, no matter how much you over glorify your weak efforts.

and for you information the largest and most effective resistance was actually in germany.
Firestorm 6 | 400
14 Jul 2008  #4
It was Poland responsible for the cracking of the German code,

August 1939 the British established the Government Code and Cipher School at Bletchley Park in Buckinghamshire.
They were.. Experienced codebreakers, secret service officers, mathematicians, scientists, crossword experts, international chess players, students, actresses and even astrologers and debutants.

Fortunately for the British codebreakers, in the years running up to the war Poland had worked on various techniques for cracking Enigma.
Shortly before the German invasion of Poland, they shared their work with their British allies.
Poland's government was the first to employ mathematicians as code-breakers, and the mathematicians' logical minds proved to be just what was needed to tackle Enigma.

This vital headstart from the Polish, coupled with the unique problem-solving and intuitive thinking skills of Bletchley's recruits,
Meant that Enigma was cracked.
In early 1940 a reliable technique for cracking Enigma was established.
Franek 8 | 271
14 Jul 2008  #5
Firestorm;
I have no first hand knowledge what really happened. This is what I read on the WEB. I also read that Poland secured a V1 rocket that went astray and landed in a swamp. It was dismantled and shipped to England.

I can only go by what is on the net.
Firestorm 6 | 400
14 Jul 2008  #6
Edit............

Im guessing you were actually there.
And know better than anyone else. So no point in my voicing any opinion.
Franek 8 | 271
14 Jul 2008  #7
Firestorm;
Yes; I was there in 1944. In a small town called Bridport in Dorset. But I know nothing about this subject other than what I read.

But with this knowledge it wasn't used to find the German strength at Arnhem.. The same is true in the Battle of the Bulge..There was ample warning, but it was ignored..

But it mattered not. We were expendable.
Oh well, such are the fortunes of war.
tornado2007 11 | 2,275
14 Jul 2008  #8
Well actually i reckon the war was won by the Polish, i think because of the Polish the Germans crumbled, some how i expect, the Polish managed to conrol the Russian weather to stop Hitlers advance. Poland also managed to some how poison hitler into becoming a mad man who lost control.

Ow yeah and did i mention it was down to the Polish that Germany and the Axis lost the war???? maybe i did or maybe i didn't but really they were the one and only reason the war ended, Poland Poland Poland, thank you thank you thank you, it was all down to you. YOU ARE THE NEW AMERICA, WANTING CREDIT FOR EVERY LITTLE THING YOU DID. Leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!.
ratcatcher3 - | 1
14 Jul 2008  #9
Well actually i reckon the war was won by the Polish

So your actually saying, someone had to win the war...thats why the poles died?
tornado2007 11 | 2,275
14 Jul 2008  #10
LOTS OF PEOPLE DIED IN THE WAR SO THAT IT COULD BE WON!!!!!. British, Soviet, German, Italian, Polish, Americans, the list is endless. Trying to claim that the Poles did this and did that, what does it matter who does what??? it is called 'the war effort'. For a country that slags of the Russians so much you might want to take a page out of their book. After you lot had laid down to the Germans having suffered what can clearly be assessed as needless and countless loses, the Russians in the same situation stood up to be counted and if there were two countries that changed the direction of the war, it was actually the USA and the Soviet Union.
ski 7 | 140
14 Jul 2008  #11
YOU ARE THE NEW AMERICA, WANTING CREDIT FOR EVERY LITTLE THING YOU DID. Leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!.

Take the closer look at this case. This is Polish forum and it tells everybody what should be subject of discussion and what shouldn't. Interesting unjustified desire to control
tornado2007 11 | 2,275
14 Jul 2008  #12
You couldn't be any closer from the truth, me wanting to control, hang on a minute i just said we should all let the Mods do their jobs?? how is that wanting to control???

As for what i've said here, what has that to do with control??? the only person with head issues is you :)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
14 Jul 2008  #13
Torn... you are anti-semitic... lol...
tornado2007 11 | 2,275
14 Jul 2008  #14
lol lol lol, i'm always accused of something stupid like that, yes, i like the tongue in cheek :)
ski 7 | 140
14 Jul 2008  #15
You couldn't be any closer from the truth, me wanting to control, hang on a minute i just said we should all let the Mods do their jobs??

Mods are having good fun here like you. Don't try to make debate about moderators. I don't have head issues :) You can bash some members who don't have a clue about what is going on here. I see your culture. When you prove in every discussion that you are top nation (unjustified superiority complex)

It is fascinating to met English people here, you are much different than Poles.

Poles are brighter but they don't have this impudence you show us here.

You make several posts about Poles.

I show how I see you. Impudence, boorishness. Nothing interesting. Gang of trolls allied with moderators - sticking together.

(G. I am Polish with different roots than yours :) )
Babinich 1 | 455
14 Jul 2008  #17
Back again and again to WWII. Dont they deserve memory?

Of course; their story needs to be told.

Read 'A Question Of Honor' by Lynne Olson & Stanley Cloud. It is truly a tribute to the Polish airmen fighting against the Germans.
z_darius 14 | 3,969
14 Jul 2008  #18
This vital headstart from the Polish, coupled with the unique problem-solving and intuitive thinking skills of Bletchley's recruits

who were provided with an actual enigma machine by the Polish underground. In recognition of the Polish contribution to breaking the enigma code, Polish mathematicians were not allowed anywhere near the machine Poles had sent to Englad because the project was top secret, of course :)

And know better than anyone else. So no point in my voicing any opinion.

Not a question of opinion. AK was on V1 and V2 for years before British so called "intelligence" even believed in its existence and descriptions. And then they received nearly complete V2 sent to them courtesy of Polish AK (operation Most III) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Most_III

Well actually i reckon the war was won by the Polish

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Not by Brits? Didn't they, single-handedly, knock Germany out with only some symbolic help from the US, France, Poland, Canada and about half of the world? And Brits did it all for Poland, of course.
noimmigration
15 Jul 2008  #19
The three nations that had the greatest impact in defeating the german war mahine were - britian, america, usa.

END OF STORY.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Jul 2008  #20
Russia, The greatest threat was the Russians in the winter.
Kilkline 1 | 689
15 Jul 2008  #21
Not by Brits? Didn't they, single-handedly, knock Germany out with only some symbolic help from the US, France, Poland, Canada and about half of the world?.

Finally you admit it! One down, 39 million more to go.
Wroclaw Boy
15 Jul 2008  #22
britian, america, usa.

america and usa lol
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554
15 Jul 2008  #23
Im an American and I wish I was from the USA :)
Kilkline 1 | 689
15 Jul 2008  #24
america and usa lol

Its true, the latin American countries played a massive role in WW2. Mainly by hiding war criminals though. :)
noimmigration
15 Jul 2008  #25
The three nations that had the greatest impact in defeating the german war mahine were - britian, america, usa.

pardon me, I meant to say russia. slip of the key
southern 75 | 7,096
15 Jul 2008  #26
britian, america, usa.

And Patton as well.
noimmigration
15 Jul 2008  #27
Yes patton was a great leader and tactician, much more so than montgomery. However in my oinion one of the greatest tacticians of ww2 was rommel
tornado2007 11 | 2,275
15 Jul 2008  #28
You can bash some members who don't have a clue about what is going on here.

lol, ok yes i'm always bashing the Poles, slagging of the culture and the country itself, hhhmmm, no i don't think so. I may react to topics like this one, yes, i'm not full on going for it though. If you think the things i say are offensive or that i have a superiority complex or whatever you want to call it, then you can think again.

I don't need to start a debate about Mods, i don't really care about their activities and to be honest whatever they do dosent seem to affect me as i don't care if people are banned, warned, suspended. The only thing that gets me is when they continually change things about the website, colour, allignment etc etc.

Not by Brits? Didn't they, single-handedly, knock Germany out with only some symbolic help from the US, France, Poland, Canada and about half of the world?

no no the Brits were not that good on the offensive, just the defensive, the two nations that really won the war were the Soviets and the US like i said on the previous page :)
dnz 17 | 710
15 Jul 2008  #29
Achtung Zee Germans are coming, America came in too late as they had to find their atlas in order to locate Europe. They only really joined so they could take credit for the allieds winning. My understanding was the battle of Britain was won by the RAF, with some Polish pilots.

All hail the spitfire!
Wahldo
15 Jul 2008  #30
Achtung Zee Germans are coming, America came in too late as they had to find their atlas in order to locate Europe.

How can you be late to a war that wasn't yours in the first place??

My two grandads found Omaha beach okay.. doush.ebag


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