Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians?

That's 6 seconds out of my life I will never get back.

Russians eat Polish apples. A lot of. Eat also other fruits.

@Rich,
As I'm certain you're aware, Poland continues to demand the "return" of formerly "purloined Polish" territories, eventually taken over by the Germans during WWII and still squarely in German hands aka all of current/former "Eastern" Germany, long since under the Basic Law of (at that time) West Germany which guaranteed the return of formerly-Prussian land to the present FRG!

Koenigsberg fell to the Soviets, appropriately re-named "Kaliningrad" after the once famous Russian Communist agitator Mikhail Kalinin.
Whereas the Russians were once one of America's strongest allies in their common fight against the Nazis, this all changed drastically with the advent of the Cold War.

Should you need any convincing as to how the Russian threat went on to terrorize much of East Europe long after Germany ceased to be a menace to the West, just look at Budapest 1956, Prague 1968, and Crimea 2016.

Wake up and smell the coffee, dude:-)

I just did have a cup and I am still waiting for what threat Russia poses to Poland TODAY.

The same one as it posed to Georgia and Ukraine - interference in our domestic politics and democratic processes, with the threat of invasion if we dont like it.

Thank god for NATO

Give me one example of what Russia demanded from Poland since 1990 and what was the threat they sent to Warsaw?

Current, modern day Poland is really lucky it is geographically so much further west than it has always been traditionally and so close to Germany. Germany needs a buffer state and if the borders remained the way they were pre ww2 Poland might have been absorbed into the soviet union or russophied and it is really only geography imo that saved it. It woul have went the way of the baltic states or Lithuania today and give Putin an excuse to put more pressure or come in as he did in Georgia and Ukraine because much more of the population would be Russian speaking.

NATO, like the EU, is a desk with a phone with the US on speed dial. It's a toothless welfare receipient on the US taxpayers' dole - currently busy committing a suicide by Muslim. No, it will not risk a nuclear war with Russia over Poland. And why would Russia want to conquer Poland? They got enough grief over Crimea being peacefully returned to Russia after a supervised referendum and without a shot fired.

Your English is faltering again - heavy afternoon on the vodka ?

Why is 1989 a start point ? Many of us remember 1940-1989 and the rapes, destruction and occupation.

NATO is sent by Czarnybog as punishment to Slavs (ie Sarmats) for their stupidity and internal divisions. To give us even more sh**.

Take a few waker-uppers there, Rich.

I am wide awake and still waiting for that threat Russia allegedly poses to Poland TODAY.

You and the others are strangely mute on this subject but so happy deflecting. Like that "Take a few waker-uppers there, Rich" so totally brilliant, off-subject, troll line.

Personally, I would be too embarrassed to post infantile and sophomoric posts like this. But I understand that we all operate on the level we choose based on our mental developement.

Russia has a big army, an untrustworthy leader, an extensive programme of espionage ained at subverting liberal democracy and a history of military intervention - in Georgia, Ukraine, Syria plus othet conflicts like Yugoslavia, Moldova.

The US has a big army, had an untrustworthy, lying pos for a leader, an extensive program of espionage aimed at subverting stable ME countries and Ukraine, and a history of military intervention - in Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Yugoslavia, Kuwait, Iraq, and Syria.

Still waiting for that threat Russia poses to Poland. What? Invasion? Sabotage? Cruise missile attack? Murdering Polish president? Economic US-style blocade?

Can somebody finally spit it out?

Rich, Russia and Poland are neighbors. Are you being purposely thick-headed? By contrast, what "threat" does Poland pose to Russia?? If you come up zeros, you're probably on the right track.

Being neighbors does not mean being enemies.

I still don't see the reasons why Russia would attack Poland militarily or economically, even without the NATO umbrella.

Think of how many times that has been said in the past....

How many?

Why is everybody here so bloody cryptic? Is this in the Polish genes or are you all running to catch a bus?

Name us any set of European neighbors aka France/Germany, Denmark/Sweden, Poland/Russia, Spain/Portugal etc. who were not enemies at some point in their history:-)

Too many, you old, unamusing, not Polish fraud. Go pick up your check from Vova and begone from here!

I agree, Maf. The dude's obviously bluffing just to get our goat!

And, therefore, what?

It's because of geopolitics. Poland is part of Nato who russia views as a threat as the alliance is surrounding the country thus breaking a us russia treaty from the 90s. Poland would get ****** up for sure if there was a major war between Nato and Russia

However I find today's Russians and Poles generally get along especially the younger ones. Or atleast much more so than in the past and among older generation.

By any chance, would you know the number?


I am glad somebody here has brains. You are right. The Warsaw Pact is all gone, so what does NATO do? It expands like cancer and gets real close to the Russia's doorstep. Poland, as part of NATO, is an aggressor here. It may serve Poland well to be in NATO, but between Russia and NATO, it's NATO and its members who are the aggressor. Putting some American junk in Poland and claim that it's a defensive move against Iran is so stoopid my granddaughters wouldn't buy.

Just for fun, let's imagine that is was NATO that dissolved itself and the Warsaw Pact moved its bases to Canada and Mexico. The US would go nuts as it did in 1962.

Damn straight. It's impossible to be polite to the Russian government. You step on their toes until they apologize for putting their foot under yours. They are a half-step away from total savagery (not the placid sheep like population, the rapacious kleptocratic tinfoil dictators and concrete military).

Russia has not done a single positive thing for any country (that wasn't cancelled out by later Russian actions) in.... forever.

Rich you keep asking for specifics but they are provided to you - on its own Russian subversion of democracy in central Europe is damaging. We want the freedom to be able to choose our own idiots - not those favoured by Russia.

It is clear that democracy sit somewhere outside the Russian psyche, and it's somewhere within the western European psyche. In a country like Poland we want to develop as a democracy and not as a buffer state for paranoid thieves. We also want the fruits of our labour to flow to the ordinary people and not to a tiny group of oligarchs

Good result last night - they will be dancing on the streets of Chicago

So, Russia is now actively trying to undermine Polish democracy and impose its own version. Russia is also preventing Polish voters from voting for who they want, and is forcing said voters to vote for the candidates Russia wants installed in Poland.

Did I get it right?

Yes, given that 'it's own version is a kleptocratic autocracy backed up by occasional killings of civilians who are insufficiently appreciative of the tsar's goodness (he only whips them when they deserve it)


Not yet, but not for want of help of non-Polish paid trolls (take a bow, Rich!)

I wouldn't say they are trying to impose their own version - but they certainly wish for policies that weaken coherence of Western Europe

That is why they have funded Le Pen in France, Brexit, Trump, probably some people in Italy and Germany as well. In Poland, check, hungry then they are very active and probably have a good number of spies in different departments et cetera

@Rich, two neighboring countries can indeed be simply that, neighbors (if scarcely "friends") and not necessarily enemies. Usually though, it doesn't work out that way:-)